Transfers and Rumours 2013 > 2014

[Lanark]

Who would you say have improved more than expected at Sky?

Look at the guys who were talented youngsters when they signed: Henao, Uran, Löfkvist, EBH, Swift, Puccio, Appo...None of those guys have improved more than expected, some significantly less.

So I see no reason to think that Boom would improve significantly if he signed for Sky.

Sven Kramer, on the other hand, would become a GT winner at Sky

That is true, only Uran has really improved from that list. Those miraculous Sky improvements seem to only work for a select group of people, and then only for GC-riders.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

That is true, only Uran has really improved from that list. Those miraculous Sky improvements seem to only work for a select group of people, and then only for GC-riders.

not true at all. henao and uran already were topclass riders. they can't improve a ton obviously because they would become the best riders the world had ever seen, uran and henao couldn't do a miraculous improvement because nobody would think of it as miraculous. but I give another example. thomas, before switching to track last year he did amazingly well and he was also a big talent

 

[theyoungest]

Who would you say have improved more than expected at Sky?

Look at the guys who were talented youngsters when they signed: Henao, Uran, Löfkvist, EBH, Swift, Puccio, Appo...None of those guys have improved more than expected, some significantly less.

So I see no reason to think that Boom would improve significantly if he signed for Sky.

Sven Kramer, on the other hand, would become a GT winner at Sky

The only reason I think Boom will improve at Sky is that he's a lazy b.stard in a protected environment, half his family works at Blanco. At Sky he's just another rider and he'll have everything to prove. He also gets fatter every year, that doesn't seem to happen at Sky.

As for those guys you mention: yeah, it doesn't work for everyone. Although I never thought a guy like Löfkvist was such a big talent to begin with.

 

[Lanark]

not true at all. henao and uran already were topclass riders. they can't improve a ton obviously because they would become the best riders the world had ever seen. but I give another example. thomas, before switching to track last year he did amazingly well and he was also a big talent

No, they weren't. Uran was a good classic rider who was pretty good in the real mountains as well, he improved tremedously in that regard. He certainly wasn't a GT podium contender before he came to Sky, top-10 would have been great at that stage.

Henao was a big talent, it's hard to say how much me improved at Sky, we don't have a baseline of what could be expected of him in international races.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

No, they weren't. Uran was a good classic rider who was pretty good in the real mountains as well, he improved tremedously in that regard. He certainly wasn't a GT podium contender before he came to Sky, top-10 would have been great at that stage.

Henao was a big talent, it's hard to say how much me improved at Sky, we don't have a baseline of what could be expected of him in international races.

uran and henao shown glimpses of world class riders from very young age. but at sky they did it on a more constant basis. reason being of course that they were very young and most young riders lack consistancy. uran was 23 when he went to sky and so was henao. their improvement at sky is definitely significant though and they were world class talents. but they can't improve like I said 10x like some riders did, because they were too good for that to begin with.

 

[pastronef]

Jetse Bol (2013)
Lars Boom (2013, 2014)
Theo Bos (2013, 2014)
Graeme Brown (2013)
Stef Clement (2013, 2014)
Laurens ten Dam (2013)
Jos van Emden (2013)
Rick Flens (2013)
Juanma Garate (2013)
Robert Gesink (2013, 2014)
Wilco Kelderman (2013, 2014)
Steven Kruijswijk (2013, 2014)
Tom Leezer (2013)
Paul Martens (2013)
Bauke Mollema (2013, 2014)
Mark Renshaw (2013)
Luis Leon Sanchez (2013, 2014, 2015)
Tom Jelte Slagter (2013)
Bram Tankink (2013, 2014)
Maarten Tjallingii (2013, 2014)
Dennis van Winden (2013)
Maarten Wynants (2013, 2014)
Jack Bobridge (2013, 2014)
David Tanner (2013,2014)
Robert Wagner (2013, 2014)
Moreno Hofland (2013,2014)
Lars Petter Nordhaug (2013, 2014)
Marc Goos (2013, 2014)
Sep Vanmarcke (2013, 2014)

thank you

so Boom has a 2014 contract too

Renshaw and Slagter could leave, I don't think Ten Dam would leave

 

[MellowJohnny]

If Sky were to go for a Blanco rider, they could do a lot worse than Paul Martens

 

[Roderick]

it's very simple. in u23 and juniors there are no 200+ km races

What about last year's WCRR and Gp Plouay than?

Making up your own facts is much more fun I suppose?

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

Rick Zabel (Rabo Espoirs) is going to BMC next year, De Telegraaf reports.

 

[theyoungest]

thank you

so Boom has a 2014 contract too

Renshaw and Slagter could leave, I don't think Ten Dam would leave

Nibali (reportedly) wanted Ten Dam as a domestique last year, this year he's out of contract so who knows. At least then he doesn't have to work for a guy who climbs worse than him

 

[pastronef]

Nibali (reportedly) wanted Ten Dam as a domestique last year, this year he's out of contract so who knows. At least then he doesn't have to work for a guy who climbs worse than him

mmmm, I hope it won't happen. let's hope for good Belkin news soon

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

What about last year's WCRR and Gp Plouay than?

Making up your own facts is much more fun I suppose?

lol. the reasons of someone that doens't understand a thing about cycling.

no. plouay is a ridiculously easy race that ends in a massprint, only ebh managed to stay in front a bit. also the field is very easy. the world championships as everyone knows. are won by the freshest rider after a whole season basically. lars boom was 5th for godsake there. you ever see him in agr races?

but pls go on thinking ebh can manage long distance classic races. you have been disapointed for many years now and will be for many years to come

 

[Roderick]

Why is it that in every argument with you, the other person doesn't understand the slightest thing about cycling?

Stages in GT's over 200k doesn't count because there easy. Plouay, which was much above 200k doesn't count because it's an easy race. The WC doesn't count because it is all just about the freshest rider there.

Than please tell me, how can you tell he can't handle 200+k races? Because he failed to deliver in RvV and P-R? Now here's a little idea for you. Maybe he just can handle cobbles and small roads? And I don't have to tell you that there are a lot of both in those two races

 

[janraaskalt]

Why is it that in every argument with you, the other person doesn't understand the slightest thing about cycling?

Stages in GT's over 200k doesn't count because there easy. Plouay, which was much above 200k doesn't count because it's an easy race. The WC doesn't count because it is all just about the freshest rider there.

Than please tell me, how can you tell he can't handle 200+k races? Because he failed to deliver in RvV and P-R? Now here's a little idea for you. Maybe he just can handle cobbles and small roads? And I don't have to tell you that there are a lot of both in those two races

+1, "Like" and other outings of appreciation.

 

[maltiv]

Why is it that in every argument with you, the other person doesn't understand the slightest thing about cycling?

Stages in GT's over 200k doesn't count because there easy. Plouay, which was much above 200k doesn't count because it's an easy race. The WC doesn't count because it is all just about the freshest rider there.

Than please tell me, how can you tell he can't handle 200+k races? Because he failed to deliver in RvV and P-R? Now here's a little idea for you. Maybe he just can handle cobbles and small roads? And I don't have to tell you that there are a lot of both in those two races

Just wait for the worlds this year and we'll see Basically all his training since the classics have been with worlds in mind. He's now lighter than he's ever been and is producing insane w/kg numbers.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Why is it that in every argument with you, the other person doesn't understand the slightest thing about cycling?

Stages in GT's over 200k doesn't count because there easy. Plouay, which was much above 200k doesn't count because it's an easy race. The WC doesn't count because it is all just about the freshest rider there.

Than please tell me, how can you tell he can't handle 200+k races? Because he failed to deliver in RvV and P-R? Now here's a little idea for you. Maybe he just can handle cobbles and small roads? And I don't have to tell you that there are a lot of both in those two races

with 200+ k races I meant classics of course. u23 riders you can't tell if they will be able to do classics because u23 races are short. exceptions are colombians who always handle well 200+ km because they come from great altitude. similar I would suggest are riders from other high altitude places in the world. it's also something you can't really learn. you have it or you don;t.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Just wait for the worlds this year and we'll see Basically all his training since the classics have been with worlds in mind. He's now lighter than he's ever been and is producing insane w/kg numbers.

is this a joke?

 

[theyoungest]

with 200+ k races I meant classics of course. u23 riders you can't tell if they will be able to do classics because u23 races are short. exceptions are colombians who always handle well 200+ km because they come from great altitude. similar I would suggest are riders from other high altitude places in the world. it's also something you can't really learn. you have it or you don;t.

Boom learned it. Sort of.

 

[xrayvision]

with 200+ k races I meant classics of course. u23 riders you can't tell if they will be able to do classics because u23 races are short. exceptions are colombians who always handle well 200+ km because they come from great altitude. similar I would suggest are riders from other high altitude places in the world. it's also something you can't really learn. you have it or you don;t.

So if they do so "well" compared to europeans, how many Colombians finishes lets say top 20 in RvV, MSR and Roubaix? At age they must be awesome if we should follow your so called logic.

 

[Geraint Too Fast]

Christina Watches are playing guess who again. Their new rider has 'two stage wins in the Volta a Portugal' and 'great results in the Vuelta a Espana'...

 

[Parrulo]

Christina Watches are playing guess who again. Their new rider has 'two stage wins in the Volta a Portugal' and 'great results in the Vuelta a Espana'...

Ruben Plaza?

p.s. It was the first name that crossed my mind, just checked his results and it fits like a glove. I am such a boss

 

[Afrank]

Rick Zabel (Rabo Espoirs) is going to BMC next year, De Telegraaf reports.

Nice! Good young talent BMC grabbed there. BMC I think could be a pretty good team for him, they've done pretty well in helping develop Tejay and Phinney.

 

[maltiv]

Nice! Good young talent BMC grabbed there. BMC I think could be a pretty good team for him, they've done pretty well in helping develop Tejay and Phinney.

And an absolutely horrible job in developing the other talents they have, like Blythe, Kristoff, Ejssen, Roe etc. BMC is imo the worst team to go to for a talent. No training advice, no nutritional advice, horrible race plan...The only thing they can provide is Blythe and Phinney's fashion advice concerning which shoes to wear

 

[Fus087]

Christina Watches are playing guess who again. Their new rider has 'two stage wins in the Volta a Portugal' and 'great results in the Vuelta a Espana'...

It makes me sad every time.
A normal cycling team wouldn't need to hype up interest in itself with "revelations" like these, only to stay in the media.

 

[staubsauger]

It makes me sad every time.
A normal cycling team wouldn't need to hype up interest in itself with "revelations" like these, only to stay in the media.

But CW actually isn't that bad a team. They've a prette decent rooster with guys like Schumacher. I doubt they would fail as much as Coldeportes did in a gt.