Makes sense for Specialized to become a Title Sponsor. They want to keep Sagan. He is arguably the biggest draw in the sport. He is a worldwide marketing tool. Also Trek, Merida, Cannondale all are title sponsors. They have been contributing to certain riders salaries.
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The difference being that Trek, Merida and Cannondale supply bikes to 1 team each in the peloton whilst Specialized currently supply bikes to 3 WT teams. While I can see Specialized putting in money and having the S on the shorts or jersey somewhere I don't see them being the title sponsor.
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The difference being that Trek, Merida and Cannondale supply bikes to 1 team each in the peloton whilst Specialized currently supply bikes to 3 WT teams. While I can see Specialized putting in money and having the S on the shorts or jersey somewhere I don't see them being the title sponsor.
Maybe alpecin will co-sponsor them, they seem to lose their german identity and there were rumours that they might pull the plug because of that.
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I think that there is a good chance that they will be the secondary sponsor, with Dagenkolb leaving Giant then I can't see any reason why Alpecin would stay on board with a team without any German identity.robin440 said:
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If Alpecin leaving Giant is true, what came first: Degenkolb to Trek or Alpecin leaving? The Degenkolb to Trek move I can only explain if he get's more money there. He was the one and only captain for most of his races, except the TdF. Support was not super, but sufficient. At Trek he probably has competition from Stuyven and in the TdF of their main GC guy, whoever that will be. Alpecin could have matched the amount of money Trek is throwing at Degenkolb, if a German captain is that important.
Giant already announced creating a U23 development team next, which is Germany based. They wouldn't have to do that if there weren't any German ties. Furthermore, if they would lose Alpecin, they would be in need of an extra sponsor, which must be certain already, otherwise they wouldn't have created that development team. Maybe Alpecin will be the title sponsor of that development team to keep the German identity?
Anyhow, Alpecin staying with Giant is more likely than joining Bora. And that's not even regarding all the evidence there is that Specialized will be their second sponsor.
Maybe they want to increase sales outside Germany? They're not fans, it's a company.StryderHells said:
If Alpecin leaving Giant is true, what came first: Degenkolb to Trek or Alpecin leaving? The Degenkolb to Trek move I can only explain if he get's more money there. He was the one and only captain for most of his races, except the TdF. Support was not super, but sufficient. At Trek he probably has competition from Stuyven and in the TdF of their main GC guy, whoever that will be. Alpecin could have matched the amount of money Trek is throwing at Degenkolb, if a German captain is that important.
Giant already announced creating a U23 development team next, which is Germany based. They wouldn't have to do that if there weren't any German ties. Furthermore, if they would lose Alpecin, they would be in need of an extra sponsor, which must be certain already, otherwise they wouldn't have created that development team. Maybe Alpecin will be the title sponsor of that development team to keep the German identity?
Anyhow, Alpecin staying with Giant is more likely than joining Bora. And that's not even regarding all the evidence there is that Specialized will be their second sponsor.
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I am aware they are a company but they came on board because of Kittel and Dagenkolb so all I am saying is that it wouldn't be a surprise to see them looking at another team to sponsor.
As to the second bolded, Stuyven wouldn't be competition to Dagenkolb, he would be his last Dom and if things went wrong in the race for Dagenkolb then he would be the back-up. Also how important is the Tour to Dagenkolb? I'm sure he likes the race but I think he has bigger fish to fry
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I am aware they are a company but they came on board because of Kittel and Dagenkolb so all I am saying is that it wouldn't be a surprise to see them looking at another team to sponsor.
As to the second bolded, Stuyven wouldn't be competition to Dagenkolb, he would be his last Dom and if things went wrong in the race for Dagenkolb then he would be the back-up. Also how important is the Tour to Dagenkolb? I'm sure he likes the race but I think he has bigger fish to fry
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Your misspelling of Degenkolb is deliberate. I'm missing the pun...
Stuyven is on the rise. Next year he'll be better. You are right, Degenkolb's chances of winning are limited in the Tour, but for most it is really important.StryderHells said:
Your misspelling of Degenkolb is deliberate. I'm missing the pun...
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I think the Bora&Specialized move would be great, as Sagan is so valuable to Specialized and we've seen that he doesn't need that much support and on his own he gives teams soo much exposure!
It would instantly make them a top team.
It will be interesting to see how Astana and Trek come out of this transfer window as both have big riders coming in and out supposedly and hence both teams will be quite different next year.
I'm sure Gaint will be ok since they just started a development team and have Dumoulin and Barguil till 2018.
On The Cycling Podcast, Daniel Friebe mentioned something he heard about IAM getting a sponsor.
There has also been rumours that Tinkov have found one.
Also what happened to RiIs and Saxo?
It would instantly make them a top team.
It will be interesting to see how Astana and Trek come out of this transfer window as both have big riders coming in and out supposedly and hence both teams will be quite different next year.
I'm sure Gaint will be ok since they just started a development team and have Dumoulin and Barguil till 2018.
On The Cycling Podcast, Daniel Friebe mentioned something he heard about IAM getting a sponsor.
There has also been rumours that Tinkov have found one.
Also what happened to RiIs and Saxo?
Riis likes to have press conferences..........Thats it.
Specialized supplies bikes to 3 teams. They get a lot of exposure that way. However they do need to be a title sponsor IMHO. And keeping Sagan on there bikes is paramount to them. Ex. Him doing MTB races for them was HUGE PUBLICITY for there MTB Bikes.
Specialized supplies bikes to 3 teams. They get a lot of exposure that way. However they do need to be a title sponsor IMHO. And keeping Sagan on there bikes is paramount to them. Ex. Him doing MTB races for them was HUGE PUBLICITY for there MTB Bikes.
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Why do Specialized need to be a title sponsor? They get more exposure from a selection of riders on different teams than having there name attached to one team
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Why do Specialized need to be a title sponsor? They get more exposure from a selection of riders on different teams than having there name attached to one team
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TMP402 said:
Indeed it didn't make them a top team. Relying one 1 rider to get the bulk of the teams big results is fraught with danger, if that rider gets injured or simply has a bad year then so does the team, if Sagan does go to Bora then they really should make sure they just don't go all in signing support riders for him and look at having some depth in the squad.
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I'm not sure that they do. Naming rights is the most valuable thing cycling has to sell to sponsors and Specialized are quite unusual in being a sponsor that pays a lot of money into the sport without having things named after them.
Specialized probably spend as much money on sponsorship as, say, Cannondale. But Cannondale probably get their name mentioned to fans and audiences many times more often, despite Cannondale being a much less successful team than the three teams riding Specialized.
I don't think that they "have" to do anything in particular and I'm sure that the exposure they do get by paying to have winning teams on their bikes is valuable to them. But their current model is unusual for a big money sponsor - other bike sponsors who don't get naming rights are generally doing it on the cheap.
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I'm not sure that they do. Naming rights is the most valuable thing cycling has to sell to sponsors and Specialized are quite unusual in being a sponsor that pays a lot of money into the sport without having things named after them.
Specialized probably spend as much money on sponsorship as, say, Cannondale. But Cannondale probably get their name mentioned to fans and audiences many times more often, despite Cannondale being a much less successful team than the three teams riding Specialized.
I don't think that they "have" to do anything in particular and I'm sure that the exposure they do get by paying to have winning teams on their bikes is valuable to them. But their current model is unusual for a big money sponsor - other bike sponsors who don't get naming rights are generally doing it on the cheap.
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Yes. Any riders that they sign to help Sagan would mostly be of the sort who would also be of use to Bennett in smaller races, but they currently have no WT level leaders at all for any race that involves more climbing than Sagan can handle. Nobody at all.
The best they can do at the moment are a couple of young climbing prospects of uncertain future level. That's fine for a traditional wildcard type appearance in a GT, putting someone in every break, but it would look very threadbare over a WT season.
They need at least one other proper leader, preferably a climber, stage racer or puncheur as well as a rider or two who can give specialist support to that leader. He doesn't have to be top tier, just someone capable of giving them a legitimate interest in races that aren't for Sagan or outright sprints.
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Zinoviev Letter said:
Leopold König is out of contract and by all accounts won't be at Sky next season, he is no superstar but is reliable and won't cost a fortune
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StryderHells said:
It would be funny if they signed him again and he is about the kind of level I was suggesting. I wouldn't pick him in these circumstances though, just because I think they need someone who can give them some interest in quite a lot of races, while Konig is very much a one big peak and then not a lot else kind of rider.
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Kokoso said:
You are correct that he does show up in other races other than his main peak of the season and being with Sky the last 2 seasons we haven't really had the chance outside of the 2015 Giro to see if he's improved. He wouldn't win much but he would have the Bora name inside the top 10 at a couple of stage races a season so they could do alot worse than bringing him back into the fold.
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