Transfers and Rumours 2017 > 2018

[fauniera]

Riders still needed for the 16 rider minimum for ProConti teams:

Novo Nordisk: 11
Rally: 9
Soul Brasil: 8
Hagens Berman - Axeon: 8

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Basso seems like a really weird signing for Sky. He's 23 and has done nothing of note that I can recall. Usually their young signings (Halvorsen, Bernal etc) are really obvious big talents. This guy hasn't even held down a Conti ride to date. What am I missing? Why do they seem to rate him?

 

[Netserk]

I guess the best explanation is two posts above yours.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Re:

I guess the best explanation is two posts above yours.

If he's being hired as a kind of minder to keep Moscon's mouth shut and his behaviour under control, the kind of babysitter record labels used to assign to addled rockers, I suppose it could make sense.

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

Riders still needed for the 16 rider minimum for ProConti teams:

Novo Nordisk: 11
Rally: 9
Soul Brasil: 8
Hagens Berman - Axeon: 8

I think I recall reading somewhere that Soul Brasil is going back to being CT or even to CLUB-level.

 

[RedheadDane]

Riders still needed for the 16 rider minimum for ProConti teams:

Novo Nordisk: 11
Rally: 9
Soul Brasil: 8
Hagens Berman - Axeon: 8

Sorry, I can't do math... Are you saying that Novo Nordisk, a team that's already PC, and hasbeen so for a few seasons now, need 11 more riders to fill the minimum requirements? That they only have five riders on contract for next season? What had happened to the other riders who were on the team this year? They don't really have the reputation as a team constantly sending riders off to bigger teams.

 

[hazaran]

I don't think the "Who has a contract" information is at all reliable for PCT or CT teams.

 

[GuyIncognito]

Riders still needed for the 16 rider minimum for ProConti teams:

Novo Nordisk: 11
Rally: 9
Soul Brasil: 8
Hagens Berman - Axeon: 8

Sorry, I can't do math... Are you saying that Novo Nordisk, a team that's already PC, and hasbeen so for a few seasons now, need 11 more riders to fill the minimum requirements? That they only have five riders on contract for next season? What had happened to the other riders who were on the team this year? They don't really have the reputation as a team constantly sending riders off to bigger teams.

Because the requirement to ride for them isn't "pro level talent". It's "have type 2 diabetes".

 

[capuldemetal]

http://www.zikloland.com/equipo-lizarte-nicolas-saenz-2018-hirumet/

 

[RedheadDane]

Riders still needed for the 16 rider minimum for ProConti teams:

Novo Nordisk: 11
Rally: 9
Soul Brasil: 8
Hagens Berman - Axeon: 8

Sorry, I can't do math... Are you saying that Novo Nordisk, a team that's already PC, and hasbeen so for a few seasons now, need 11 more riders to fill the minimum requirements? That they only have five riders on contract for next season? What had happened to the other riders who were on the team this year? They don't really have the reputation as a team constantly sending riders off to bigger teams.

Because the requirement to ride for them isn't "pro level talent". It's "have type 2 diabetes".

Type 1.
But that still doesn't explain how they suddenly lost so many guys. Everybody just decided to retire at once? Naah... they've probably as good as extended, it just hasn't been made public yet.

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

Re:

http://www.zikloland.com/equipo-lizarte-nicolas-saenz-2018-hirumet/

Can't be arsed to atleast say what it's about?

 

[capuldemetal]

Re: Re:

http://www.zikloland.com/equipo-lizarte-nicolas-saenz-2018-hirumet/

Can't be arsed to atleast say what it's about?

given my health status i can hardly write.but here goes nothing.movistar feeder signs an 21 ,51 kilo colombian rider.seems he is quite talented.

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

Re: Re:

http://www.zikloland.com/equipo-lizarte-nicolas-saenz-2018-hirumet/

Can't be arsed to atleast say what it's about?

given my health status i can hardly write.but here goes nothing.movistar feeder signs an 21 ,51 kilo colombian rider.seems he is quite talented.

apologies, I guess

 

[yaco]

Novo Nordisk had no confirmed sponsorship for 2018 until late in the piece - My guess is the 5 signed riders already had a contract for 2018 - I understand the team serves a noble cause but surely they should be at CT level.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Re:

Novo Nordisk had no confirmed sponsorship for 2018 until late in the piece - My guess is the 5 signed riders already had a contract for 2018 - I understand the team serves a noble cause but surely they should be at CT level.

Why? They get invites to some races they wouldn't get into if they were CT, they get their jersey on the television and their sponsor's name and all the stuff about diabetes said by commentators. That's why they exist. They don't have the sporting level of most other PCT teams, but they don't really need to.

 

[yaco]

Re: Re:

Novo Nordisk had no confirmed sponsorship for 2018 until late in the piece - My guess is the 5 signed riders already had a contract for 2018 - I understand the team serves a noble cause but surely they should be at CT level.

Why? They get invites to some races they wouldn't get into if they were CT, they get their jersey on the television and their sponsor's name and all the stuff about diabetes said by commentators. That's why they exist. They don't have the sporting level of most other PCT teams, but they don't really need to.

The team has won one race since they become a PC team - They could be a CT and still get a number of important invites for the sponsor to be happy.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Re: Re:

Novo Nordisk had no confirmed sponsorship for 2018 until late in the piece - My guess is the 5 signed riders already had a contract for 2018 - I understand the team serves a noble cause but surely they should be at CT level.

Why? They get invites to some races they wouldn't get into if they were CT, they get their jersey on the television and their sponsor's name and all the stuff about diabetes said by commentators. That's why they exist. They don't have the sporting level of most other PCT teams, but they don't really need to.

The team has won one race since they become a PC team - They could be a CT and still get a number of important invites for the sponsor to be happy.

You are still treating them as if they are a team with a sponsor that demands results. Winning a race or two is just a nice bonus for them. Appearing in big races and televised races generally is what they have to do to fulfil their purpose and being PCT facilitates that.

 

[search]

well, that's not quite what Sunderland said at the beginning of the season though

“We are in a contract year and we have to get results,” Southerland said regarding the team’s final year of the five-year deal with naming sponsor Novo Nordisk, a multinational pharmaceutical company specializing in diabetes management. “The priority is not on putting riders in the break and being in the top 10, we need visible results this year.”

Sure, in the end they still got a new contract with the sponsor - but it came with significantly less money, so the team won't be able to run a calendar similar as in past years anymore, and their best riders have chosen to retire instead.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

well, that's not quite what Sunderland said at the beginning of the season though

“We are in a contract year and we have to get results,” Southerland said regarding the team’s final year of the five-year deal with naming sponsor Novo Nordisk, a multinational pharmaceutical company specializing in diabetes management. “The priority is not on putting riders in the break and being in the top 10, we need visible results this year.”

Sure, in the end they still got a new contract with the sponsor - but it came with significantly less money, so the team won't be able to run a calendar similar as in past years anymore, and their best riders have chosen to retire instead.

If their sponsor has decided they want results, they are screwed and the sponsor is on the way out. There simply isn't a big enough pool of type 1 diabetics to draw from and there's nothing they can do to change that other than hope for an outlier talent to drop in their laps.

 

[yaco]

well, that's not quite what Sunderland said at the beginning of the season though

“We are in a contract year and we have to get results,” Southerland said regarding the team’s final year of the five-year deal with naming sponsor Novo Nordisk, a multinational pharmaceutical company specializing in diabetes management. “The priority is not on putting riders in the break and being in the top 10, we need visible results this year.”

Sure, in the end they still got a new contract with the sponsor - but it came with significantly less money, so the team won't be able to run a calendar similar as in past years anymore, and their best riders have chosen to retire instead.

If their sponsor has decided they want results, they are screwed and the sponsor is on the way out. There simply isn't a big enough pool of type 1 diabetics to draw from and there's nothing they can do to change that other than hope for an outlier talent to drop in their laps.

Hence, why dropping to a CT team will provide their riders with a more suitable calendar.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

well, that's not quite what Sunderland said at the beginning of the season though

“We are in a contract year and we have to get results,” Southerland said regarding the team’s final year of the five-year deal with naming sponsor Novo Nordisk, a multinational pharmaceutical company specializing in diabetes management. “The priority is not on putting riders in the break and being in the top 10, we need visible results this year.”

Sure, in the end they still got a new contract with the sponsor - but it came with significantly less money, so the team won't be able to run a calendar similar as in past years anymore, and their best riders have chosen to retire instead.

If their sponsor has decided they want results, they are screwed and the sponsor is on the way out. There simply isn't a big enough pool of type 1 diabetics to draw from and there's nothing they can do to change that other than hope for an outlier talent to drop in their laps.

Hence, why dropping to a CT team will provide their riders with a more suitable calendar.

Fair enough. My response was based on an assumption that their sponsors must know that regular wins aren't possible, given the narrow pool of athletes they can draw from, and so their current model must be something they are happy to back.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Re:

I'm starting to think that Rebellin is immortal.

Rehabilitated on RadioCorsa last night
amid all the talk of CF's positive.
http://www.raisport.rai.it/dl/raiSport/media/Radiocorsa-bb6707ef-8919-4f56-bf8c-a653983e8b44.html

 

[Anderis]

Will anyone be interested in Lobato now?

 

[yaco]

Unless there are unreported underlying issues then Lobato should find a WT team - Of course there are the two new Spanish PCT's.

 

[Der Effe]

Yep, Burgos is interested already

http://www.elcorreodeburgos.com/noticias/deportes/burgos-bh-interesa-juanjo-lobato_164349.html