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Cannondale lost a lot of riders but no signings announced so far. It's annoying me.
At least they've signed Bettiol.yaco said:
Cannondale lost a lot of riders but no signings announced so far. It's annoying me.
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Kristoffer Halvorsen to Sky afterTour de l'Avenir
http://www.tv2.no/sport/9317859
Wouldn't be surprised if he finished 2017 at Sky as a Stag.
http://www.tv2.no/sport/9317859
Wouldn't be surprised if he finished 2017 at Sky as a Stag.
- Jul 27, 2009
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Hopefully the Dutch Lotto foundation centralizes their sponsorship and merges LottoNL & Roompot in favor of one big Dutch cycling team!
Seriously atrocious for LottoNL that they cannot convince talents to join them. Especially when those kids would actually get early chances to ride for themselves because of the missing depth in their lineup!MatParker117 said:
Hopefully the Dutch Lotto foundation centralizes their sponsorship and merges LottoNL & Roompot in favor of one big Dutch cycling team!
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If I had a choice between LottoNL and another team who were offering me equal opportunities and race calendar, I would choose probably any other team over them - their kit is total filth. But of course Halvorsen didn't have that choice, and in his dilemma, I would absolutely have gone for Lotto.
staubsauger said:
If I had a choice between LottoNL and another team who were offering me equal opportunities and race calendar, I would choose probably any other team over them - their kit is total filth. But of course Halvorsen didn't have that choice, and in his dilemma, I would absolutely have gone for Lotto.
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Halvorsen could probably choose from a handfull of teams. He´ll be getting his chances at Sky who´s rid themselves of sprinters. In Lotto he would sometimes have conflicting interests with Groenewegen - a Dutchman. One can only hope Sky doesn't´t waste his talents as they did with Boasson Hagen.
TMP402 said:
Halvorsen could probably choose from a handfull of teams. He´ll be getting his chances at Sky who´s rid themselves of sprinters. In Lotto he would sometimes have conflicting interests with Groenewegen - a Dutchman. One can only hope Sky doesn't´t waste his talents as they did with Boasson Hagen.
UCI should impose budget/salary caps. It's ridiculous how one team can become so strong. Cycling then becomes a one team dull procession every race; it's as if sky are running a pro cycling manager career on easy.
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A better option is if a WT has a CT that team has first option on the neo pro. Its a joke that BMC has to stop their CT team because other WT steal their riders without any investment. All WT teams should have a CT.
Brullnux said:
A better option is if a WT has a CT that team has first option on the neo pro. Its a joke that BMC has to stop their CT team because other WT steal their riders without any investment. All WT teams should have a CT.
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And you shouldn't force all WT teams to have a CT. This will only increase costs and differences between the richest and the poorest WT teams because for the latter it will take out a bigger chunk of budget proportionally. Finding a WT-level sponsor is hard enough already.
Aren't the teams allowed to build that clause into the contracts that young riders sign with those CT development teams themselves? Would solve a lot of problems without any UCI intervention.yaco said:
And you shouldn't force all WT teams to have a CT. This will only increase costs and differences between the richest and the poorest WT teams because for the latter it will take out a bigger chunk of budget proportionally. Finding a WT-level sponsor is hard enough already.
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Its a joke that BMC
can develop riders in their development squad then lose them to interlopers who dont spend a cent in youth deveopment. Facts are a CT development team usually has around 12 to 15 riders. 2 or 3 are mature riders who drive the team while the rest under 23. Inany given year only around 2 or 3 riders are offered WT contracts. Give the CT first crack and the rest can find their own way. After your neo pro 2 years then you can find your own team. Its essential we give WT incentive to invest in youth.
Anderis said:
Its a joke that BMC
can develop riders in their development squad then lose them to interlopers who dont spend a cent in youth deveopment. Facts are a CT development team usually has around 12 to 15 riders. 2 or 3 are mature riders who drive the team while the rest under 23. Inany given year only around 2 or 3 riders are offered WT contracts. Give the CT first crack and the rest can find their own way. After your neo pro 2 years then you can find your own team. Its essential we give WT incentive to invest in youth.
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Maybe, but more likely the fact that he's part of the Girona mob.
Certainly a talented rider but at 32, am just trying to see precisely where he fits in other than being a general domestique. Yes, he's a good TTer and not a bad cobbles rider but not sure he'll necessarily be a "main man". Certainly a strong guy to send up the road and useful in a TTT; ok in hills or even in lead-outs but not sure that's anything Orica's looking at.
In short, I can most certainly see him being a very useful rider but one suspects its either money or a multi year deal that's the lure rather than the promise of "more opportunities".
yaco said:
Maybe, but more likely the fact that he's part of the Girona mob.
pastronef said:
Certainly a talented rider but at 32, am just trying to see precisely where he fits in other than being a general domestique. Yes, he's a good TTer and not a bad cobbles rider but not sure he'll necessarily be a "main man". Certainly a strong guy to send up the road and useful in a TTT; ok in hills or even in lead-outs but not sure that's anything Orica's looking at.
In short, I can most certainly see him being a very useful rider but one suspects its either money or a multi year deal that's the lure rather than the promise of "more opportunities".
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Does Orica need another "main man"? They have Chaves and the Yates for GTs, and Hayman, Durbridge, Trentin, Albasini and Edmondson for classics. A few more selfless domestiques are needed there. Bauer would be a very good fit, a nice replacement for Keukeleire in stage races.dirkprovin said:
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To answer your point, of these "main men", lets examine their respective futures.
- Chaves: contracted to end of 2019. Realistically their main GC man
- Yates x2. Both off contract at end of 2018. Will they stay or go elsewhere or may it be one stays/one goes ? Haig may be an "in-house" replacement for one
- Hayman: renewed for next year but that's realistically end of the road.
- Durbridge: probably now their no1 man for cobbles
- Trentin: probably like for like replacement for Keukeleire
- Edmondson: hopefully will be retained but probably the development project as cobbles contender
- Albasini: still a great trouper who brings in results but realistically nearing zone of diminishing returns. Who else do they have for Ardennes ?
I would say Kreuziger should be seen as the other main Ardennes man but will he stay beyond 2018 ? Can you look at either Yates or Chaves for these races .... or is it a case of hoping either Haig or Power can develop ? Impey is useful in these races but arguably the "puncheur" is an area where Orica is currently a question mark beyond those experienced names. Whilst Bauer isnt bad in the hills, are these races really his thing as he seems more a man for cobbles where Orica is actually looking OK going forward ?
On the subject of hard grunt; they already have Tuft (who will retire end of next year), Bewley, Hepburn & J-J (the latter 3 being younger than Bauer). Kluge and Mezgec can also ride cobbles and are probably more accomplished lead-out men.
I completely agree that he would be an excellent worker but ,barring such factors as an increased paypacket or being seen as "on the outer" at QST; why else would he be going to Orica just as a grunt ? I would consider him as a "useful acquisition" rather than being any "enhancement".
Does Orica need another "main man"? They have Chaves and the Yates for GTs, and Hayman, Durbridge, Trentin, Albasini and Edmondson for classics. A few more selfless domestiques are needed there. Bauer would be a very good fit, a nice replacement for Keukeleire in stage races.[/quote]42x16ss said:
To answer your point, of these "main men", lets examine their respective futures.
- Chaves: contracted to end of 2019. Realistically their main GC man
- Yates x2. Both off contract at end of 2018. Will they stay or go elsewhere or may it be one stays/one goes ? Haig may be an "in-house" replacement for one
- Hayman: renewed for next year but that's realistically end of the road.
- Durbridge: probably now their no1 man for cobbles
- Trentin: probably like for like replacement for Keukeleire
- Edmondson: hopefully will be retained but probably the development project as cobbles contender
- Albasini: still a great trouper who brings in results but realistically nearing zone of diminishing returns. Who else do they have for Ardennes ?
I would say Kreuziger should be seen as the other main Ardennes man but will he stay beyond 2018 ? Can you look at either Yates or Chaves for these races .... or is it a case of hoping either Haig or Power can develop ? Impey is useful in these races but arguably the "puncheur" is an area where Orica is currently a question mark beyond those experienced names. Whilst Bauer isnt bad in the hills, are these races really his thing as he seems more a man for cobbles where Orica is actually looking OK going forward ?
On the subject of hard grunt; they already have Tuft (who will retire end of next year), Bewley, Hepburn & J-J (the latter 3 being younger than Bauer). Kluge and Mezgec can also ride cobbles and are probably more accomplished lead-out men.
I completely agree that he would be an excellent worker but ,barring such factors as an increased paypacket or being seen as "on the outer" at QST; why else would he be going to Orica just as a grunt ? I would consider him as a "useful acquisition" rather than being any "enhancement".
Dutch newspaper Telegraaf speculating the end of Cannondale, as Vanmarcke, Rolland and Van Baarle are being offered by their agents to other teams.
https://www.telesport.nl/artikel/113754/wielersport/renners-cannondale-aangeboden
https://www.telesport.nl/artikel/113754/wielersport/renners-cannondale-aangeboden
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