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Zinoviev Letter said:
Beobachter said:
Pfingsten's contract won't be extended by Bora... A ******* shame :mad:
So unfair for one of the most precious and selfless teammate of the whole peloton :cry:

That’s a surprise. He joined when they were a much smaller team and he has always played a useful, if low visibility, role.

Being useful is sadly not always enough for securing a spot in that team.
(it's better to be friend with Sagan for example, cf. Baska or now Gatto :mad: )

But anyways, as much as I really like Bora, I must acknowledge it's not the first time they act like a **** with riders who would have deserved way more consideration for everything they brought to the team... Voss, Huzarski, Barta... all of them didn't get a proper end of their relationship with the team; it's then not so surprising to see a guy like Pfingsten joining that club :(
 
Beobachter said:
Zinoviev Letter said:
Beobachter said:
Pfingsten's contract won't be extended by Bora... A ******* shame :mad:
So unfair for one of the most precious and selfless teammate of the whole peloton :cry:

That’s a surprise. He joined when they were a much smaller team and he has always played a useful, if low visibility, role.

Being useful is sadly not always enough for securing a spot in that team.
(it's better to be friend with Sagan for example, cf. Baska or now Gatto :mad: )

But anyways, as much as I really like Bora, I must acknowledge it's not the first time they act like a **** with riders who would have deserved way more consideration for everything they brought to the team... Voss, Huzarski, Barta... all of them didn't get a proper end of their relationship with the team; it's then not so surprising to see a guy like Pfingsten joining that club :(

How is Gatto not an obviously better rider than Pfingsten?
 
I think that's a bit unfair on your side. For sure Sagan brings in some of his entourage (his brother and Baska) but, apart from those two riders, there is no other rider weaker than Pfingsten under contract for 2019 (you could argue about Koenig illness, for sure, but every other rider in Bora's 2019 roster is better than Pfingsten).

He might be a nice guy, and has stepped up his game since he was brought in, but with the general roster downsize it is only natural he is not given a contract extension. By the way, Gatto is so much better than Pfingsten.
 
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Roku said:
I think that's a bit unfair on your side. For sure Sagan brings in some of his entourage (his brother and Baska) but, apart from those two riders, there is no other rider weaker than Pfingsten under contract for 2019 (you could argue about Koenig illness, for sure, but every other rider in Bora's 2019 roster is better than Pfingsten).

He might be a nice guy, and has stepped up his game since he was brought in, but with the general roster downsize it is only natural he is not given a contract extension. By the way, Gatto is so much better than Pfingsten.

I don't mind Juraj. He does the job in the Classics. As long as he stays out of the GTs, his presence in the team is not a problem at all, he has fully deserved his spot by now by proving himself to the team.
Like more or less everyone in the team (only Pelucchi and Saramotins deserve not to get a contract extension)

Benedetti, Schillinger and Schwarzmann are all weaker than Pfingsten for example. But still, all do the job and they do it well. As long there is no one WAY better than them, it's just unfair to kick them out (and even in this case, it's the role of a good management not to forget what the riders have brought to the team and to find a solution...).
Pfingsten has had an impressive season in its role. He had an amazing Giro as teammate for example. Without him and Selig, both Bennett and Ackermann wouldn't have won half their victories this season, that should'nt been forgotten. It's honestly hard to find a teammate that has been as useful as Pfingsten this season (Burghardt and Selig have been, but otherwise a lot of better riders haven't really more useful than Pfingsten has been).
I consider first that loyalty to the team should always be rewarded. I also consider it's important to value teammates and not just the supposed big names.
Which explains why to me it's just a shame to see a Pfingsten forced out to give a spot to a guy like Gatto. While Pfingsten has proven himself the whole season and has been instrumental in the successes of the team, you have a Gatto which looked more like in semi-retirement than anything else this season. The prime years of Gatto are past now. If not for Sagan, I would be curious to know which team could have been interested by a guy like him :lol:
So, nowadays, it's just not serious to say "Gatto is better than Pfingsten", he is not anymore. And anyways, since my original point was about the usefulness as a teammate, I would be curious to know about Gatto could pretend to be more useful than Pfingsten. But yeah :lol:
Drucker on the contrary is a convincing addition to the team, Gatto is not. So, sending a loyal and efficient rider to retirement just to welcome a friend of the big star (it's what it is; because Gatto brings 0 added value) is not my cup of tea and it'll never be. I guess it's a matter of values :rolleyes:
 
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tobydawq said:
Beobachter said:
Zinoviev Letter said:
Beobachter said:
Pfingsten's contract won't be extended by Bora... A ******* shame :mad:
So unfair for one of the most precious and selfless teammate of the whole peloton :cry:

That’s a surprise. He joined when they were a much smaller team and he has always played a useful, if low visibility, role.

Being useful is sadly not always enough for securing a spot in that team.
(it's better to be friend with Sagan for example, cf. Baska or now Gatto :mad: )

But anyways, as much as I really like Bora, I must acknowledge it's not the first time they act like a **** with riders who would have deserved way more consideration for everything they brought to the team... Voss, Huzarski, Barta... all of them didn't get a proper end of their relationship with the team; it's then not so surprising to see a guy like Pfingsten joining that club :(

How is Gatto not an obviously better rider than Pfingsten?

Hmmmm, have you watched cycling this year? How/when/where has Gatto proven to be "better" than Pfingsten? :rolleyes:
 
Beobachter said:
tobydawq said:
Beobachter said:
Zinoviev Letter said:
Beobachter said:
Pfingsten's contract won't be extended by Bora... A ******* shame :mad:
So unfair for one of the most precious and selfless teammate of the whole peloton :cry:

That’s a surprise. He joined when they were a much smaller team and he has always played a useful, if low visibility, role.

Being useful is sadly not always enough for securing a spot in that team.
(it's better to be friend with Sagan for example, cf. Baska or now Gatto :mad: )

But anyways, as much as I really like Bora, I must acknowledge it's not the first time they act like a **** with riders who would have deserved way more consideration for everything they brought to the team... Voss, Huzarski, Barta... all of them didn't get a proper end of their relationship with the team; it's then not so surprising to see a guy like Pfingsten joining that club :(

How is Gatto not an obviously better rider than Pfingsten?

Hmmmm, have you watched cycling this year? How/when/where has Gatto proven to be "better" than Pfingsten? :rolleyes:

He was in the exclusive group that decided Omloop Het Nieuwsblad and with his presence made it possible for Valgren to win. I forget seeing Pfingsten at the business end of a classic, or at all for that matter.

Also, I see you say Benedetti is weaker than Pfingsten. The guy was just a beast in Poland so that's definitely not true.
 
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tobydawq said:
He was in the exclusive group that decided Omloop Het Nieuwsblad and with his presence made it possible for Valgren to win. I forget seeing Pfingsten at the business end of a classic, or at all for that matter.

Also, I see you say Benedetti is weaker than Pfingsten. The guy was just a beast in Poland so that's definitely not true.

So, he has been useful once this year. Impressive. Really.
Obviously, Pfingsten was not at "the business end of the classic" since at Bora, his role is an early one. So, you can't really expect him to be the last teammate of a Sagan since it"s not the role he has been assigned to.
However, you could ask him to do that. Look at his Flanders this season. He was the best Ackermann helper on the subpar Flanders races. But with a bad preparation and even though he wasn't in the original plans for the Flanders races, he did pretty great and by far overdid what was expected from him. You don't finish 21th at A Travers les Flandres randomly. With what he showed this year, he could have done what Gatto did once at the Omloop.

Anyways, being teammate is a matter of consistency and efficiency. Something Pfingsten proved capable of during the whole season. Gatto proved himself useful once during the whole season.
Look at Pfingsten's Giro, look at the Rund um Köln, look at his work for Ackermann during Spring, look at his work at London. There is no possible comparison between Gatto's season and Pfingsten's season.

Regarding Benedetti, I'm glad you can eventually appreciate the job of a loyal helper :razz:
Yes, he did an amazing job in Poland (his "home" race btw), he also was good in Slovakia and he does what he has to do the whole year. But still, Pfingsten is way better than him since he's way more verstaile. While Benedetti is very good at leading the bunch the whole day, Pfingsten can do that too, but he also can lead-out, he's very good at protecting his leaders, he climbs quite decently, he's good in the Classics. He's way more versatile than a Benedetti, that's why it's safe to say he's better (the Giro showed that anyway if you still have doubts...)
 
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RedheadDane said:
So, Honoré told Feltet.dk that he hopes to be able to reveal something in the coming weeks.
I'm guessing it's not Movistar.

He's the type of guy QS usually try and sign due to his versatility. The fact he was a stagiaire there helps that case. Astana and the large Danish presence there may also sign him, maybe hoping he can be good in the Classics.

Rumours (admittedly only on the Twittersphere) coming out linking Gino Mader to Dimension Data
 
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JoeD1997 said:
Rumours (admittedly only on the Twittersphere) coming out linking Gino Mader to Dimension Data

Mäder said yesterday on media day of the Swiss team that he signed with a WT-team but he cannot reveal the name yet. My guess would be DimensionData (because of BMC) or a french team. But DD is a good guess.
 
That's actually a very good transfer, I like that. Mäder isn't Pogacar and he'll probably never win you a TDF, but in this stadium of the market that's a really nice signing. He can climb really well, he descents like a madman and will attack relentlessly. Long term replacement for Pauwels I reckon.

Weird thing, the guy is from Switzerland, but has roots in basically every discipline of cycling except for the mountainbike.
 
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JoeD1997 said:
RedheadDane said:
So, Honoré told Feltet.dk that he hopes to be able to reveal something in the coming weeks.
I'm guessing it's not Movistar.

He's the type of guy QS usually try and sign due to his versatility. The fact he was a stagiaire there helps that case. Astana and the large Danish presence there may also sign him, maybe hoping he can be good in the Classics.

Astana might very well sign Gregaard.