Alex47 said:
He will lead any race he wants and is invited to as well. With theoretically a strong team for the pro conti level behind him. I always worry how productive Vivani will be without that train leading himKoronin said:Alex47 said:
Interesting. Although of all the Pro Conti teams they are the one that would make the most sense as they race a lot of WT races.
I think he'll stop winning big races, already at the Giro without Quick Step A train he looked again the second tier sprinter he was until 2017, riders like Morkov and Richeze win races for the sprinter, with Richeze even Modolo (that now looks like a third tier sprinter) was able to win GT stages...Midnightfright said:He will lead any race he wants and is invited to as well. With theoretically a strong team for the pro conti level behind him. I always worry how productive Vivani will be without that train leading himKoronin said:Alex47 said:
Interesting. Although of all the Pro Conti teams they are the one that would make the most sense as they race a lot of WT races.
That's a bit harsh on Viviani IMHO. While he certainly never was the top sprinter people made of him after the 2018 Giro d'Italia, he certainly improved into good one at the end of his Sky time already. With Cofidis he probably won't race the Giro as the last time they did it was with Moncoutie in 2010. But Viviani knows where his level is and signs for Cofidis regardless, he wins a bunch of decent races with them.Nirvana said:I think he'll stop winning big races, already at the Giro without Quick Step A train he looked again the second tier sprinter he was until 2017, riders like Morkov and Richeze win races for the sprinter, with Richeze even Modolo (that now looks like a third tier sprinter) was able to win GT stages...Midnightfright said:He will lead any race he wants and is invited to as well. With theoretically a strong team for the pro conti level behind him. I always worry how productive Vivani will be without that train leading himKoronin said:Alex47 said:
Interesting. Although of all the Pro Conti teams they are the one that would make the most sense as they race a lot of WT races.
Even then Dylan is probably a step below the 3 you mentioned. It does make sprinting finishes more interesting without someone who is comfortably quicker than the reststaubsauger said:That's a bit harsh on Viviani IMHO. While he certainly never was the top sprinter people made of him after the 2018 Giro d'Italia, he certainly improved into good one at the end of his Sky time already. With Cofidis he probably won't race the Giro as the last time they did it was with Moncoutie in 2010. But Viviani knows where his level is and signs for Cofidis regardless, he wins a bunch of decent races with them.Nirvana said:I think he'll stop winning big races, already at the Giro without Quick Step A train he looked again the second tier sprinter he was until 2017, riders like Morkov and Richeze win races for the sprinter, with Richeze even Modolo (that now looks like a third tier sprinter) was able to win GT stages...Midnightfright said:He will lead any race he wants and is invited to as well. With theoretically a strong team for the pro conti level behind him. I always worry how productive Vivani will be without that train leading himKoronin said:Alex47 said:
Interesting. Although of all the Pro Conti teams they are the one that would make the most sense as they race a lot of WT races.
Not too many rocket sprinters like Cipo, Alejet & Kittel in their prime around right now. Basically it's only Groenenwegen. The rest is very good. But just not that rocket level like the ones named above. That's something a guy like Viviani clearly benefits from as well.
That would certainly make Cofidis a WT team next year, so Viviani would still get to ride all the races he wanted.Koronin said:Alex47 said:
Interesting. Although of all the Pro Conti teams they are the one that would make the most sense as they race a lot of WT races.
I think Movistar has made a strategic decision.jaylew said:Rumors of Fuglsang and de la Cruz to Movistar among a few other rumors
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/jakob-fuglsang-offered-movistar-spanish-team-faces-squad-overhaul-according-reports-427492
He improved, but in endurance and climbing not in sprinting, because he gave up on track after Rio but next year he'll focus again on the track for Tokyo and probably he'll return the one that in the 2016 Giro was dropped in the passage through Assisi just after the start and finished OTL almost 40 minutes behind the gruppetto.staubsauger said:That's a bit harsh on Viviani IMHO. While he certainly never was the top sprinter people made of him after the 2018 Giro d'Italia, he certainly improved into good one at the end of his Sky time already. With Cofidis he probably won't race the Giro as the last time they did it was with Moncoutie in 2010. But Viviani knows where his level is and signs for Cofidis regardless, he wins a bunch of decent races with them.Nirvana said:I think he'll stop winning big races, already at the Giro without Quick Step A train he looked again the second tier sprinter he was until 2017, riders like Morkov and Richeze win races for the sprinter, with Richeze even Modolo (that now looks like a third tier sprinter) was able to win GT stages...Midnightfright said:He will lead any race he wants and is invited to as well. With theoretically a strong team for the pro conti level behind him. I always worry how productive Vivani will be without that train leading himKoronin said:Alex47 said:
Interesting. Although of all the Pro Conti teams they are the one that would make the most sense as they race a lot of WT races.
Not too many rocket sprinters like Cipo, Alejet & Kittel in their prime around right now. Basically it's only Groenenwegen. The rest is very good. But just not that rocket level like the ones named above. That's something a guy like Viviani clearly benefits from as well.
Who hates who?Broccolidwarf said:I think Movistar has made a strategic decision.jaylew said:Rumors of Fuglsang and de la Cruz to Movistar among a few other rumors
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/jakob-fuglsang-offered-movistar-spanish-team-faces-squad-overhaul-according-reports-427492
They saw the "Sky tactics" in GTs, with 2 riders able to shoot for the podium, was the way forward in future GTs, and they have been trying to get the same thing to work on their team, for the past 2 years.
They just didn't have the right captains for it, because they all hate each other (apart for newly minted captain Carapaz, who is most definitely a team player).
So the logical strategic decision is, to replace your captains with riders from the teams, where being a "team player" is commonplace these days, like DQ and Astana.
With Carapaz, Fuglsang and Mas, they get 3 captains that can all work together, and sacrifice for each other, without the constant infighting.
Usually Quickstep doesn't set up a long train for Viviani though, they just shoot him to the front with 500m to go, and that's it.Nirvana said:His sprint seems improved only thanks to the Quick Step train that delivers him, you can put every second tier sprinter behind Morkov and Richeze and will win a lot, even a far superior sprinter like Gaviria is delivering less now that he doesn't have the Quick Step train and needs Kristoff as leadout. I'm pretty sure that at the Tour with Morkov and Richeze launching him we'll see him winning again.
Broccolidwarf said:I think Movistar has made a strategic decision.jaylew said:Rumors of Fuglsang and de la Cruz to Movistar among a few other rumors
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/jakob-fuglsang-offered-movistar-spanish-team-faces-squad-overhaul-according-reports-427492
They saw the "Sky tactics" in GTs, with 2 riders able to shoot for the podium, was the way forward in future GTs, and they have been trying to get the same thing to work on their team, for the past 2 years.
They just didn't have the right captains for it, because they all hate each other (apart for newly minted captain Carapaz, who is most definitely a team player).
So the logical strategic decision is, to replace your captains with riders from the teams, where being a "team player" is commonplace these days, like DQ and Astana.
With Carapaz, Fuglsang and Mas, they get 3 captains that can all work together, and sacrifice for each other, without the constant infighting.
Yeah, might have been a bit unfair on Valverde, but he is too old to be a GT captain anywayKoronin said:Broccolidwarf said:I think Movistar has made a strategic decision.jaylew said:Rumors of Fuglsang and de la Cruz to Movistar among a few other rumors
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/jakob-fuglsang-offered-movistar-spanish-team-faces-squad-overhaul-according-reports-427492
They saw the "Sky tactics" in GTs, with 2 riders able to shoot for the podium, was the way forward in future GTs, and they have been trying to get the same thing to work on their team, for the past 2 years.
They just didn't have the right captains for it, because they all hate each other (apart for newly minted captain Carapaz, who is most definitely a team player).
So the logical strategic decision is, to replace your captains with riders from the teams, where being a "team player" is commonplace these days, like DQ and Astana.
With Carapaz, Fuglsang and Mas, they get 3 captains that can all work together, and sacrifice for each other, without the constant infighting.
Wait, what?
Valverde is well known for getting along with virtually everyone and he's helped his teammates at different times. Including the Tour last summer which Landa said after a stage that the only reason he didn't lose more time was because Valverde waiting for him and guided him to the finish of the stage. Landa gets a bad rep but showed at the Giro this year and the Ardennes last year that his is willing to work for teammates. It just seems his requirement to work for someone else is that he actually gets along with that person and he gets along with both Carapaz and Valverde.
Quintana is where the problem is. He wants everyone to work for him and him alone. He hasn't given results over the past two years to really show that he deserves it.
Broccolidwarf said:Yeah, might have been a bit unfair on Valverde, but he is too old to be a GT captain anyway![]()
Broccolidwarf said:Yeah, might have been a bit unfair on Valverde, but he is too old to be a GT captain anywayKoronin said:Broccolidwarf said:I think Movistar has made a strategic decision.jaylew said:Rumors of Fuglsang and de la Cruz to Movistar among a few other rumors
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/jakob-fuglsang-offered-movistar-spanish-team-faces-squad-overhaul-according-reports-427492
They saw the "Sky tactics" in GTs, with 2 riders able to shoot for the podium, was the way forward in future GTs, and they have been trying to get the same thing to work on their team, for the past 2 years.
They just didn't have the right captains for it, because they all hate each other (apart for newly minted captain Carapaz, who is most definitely a team player).
So the logical strategic decision is, to replace your captains with riders from the teams, where being a "team player" is commonplace these days, like DQ and Astana.
With Carapaz, Fuglsang and Mas, they get 3 captains that can all work together, and sacrifice for each other, without the constant infighting.
Wait, what?
Valverde is well known for getting along with virtually everyone and he's helped his teammates at different times. Including the Tour last summer which Landa said after a stage that the only reason he didn't lose more time was because Valverde waiting for him and guided him to the finish of the stage. Landa gets a bad rep but showed at the Giro this year and the Ardennes last year that his is willing to work for teammates. It just seems his requirement to work for someone else is that he actually gets along with that person and he gets along with both Carapaz and Valverde.
Quintana is where the problem is. He wants everyone to work for him and him alone. He hasn't given results over the past two years to really show that he deserves it.![]()
You mean Remcos daddy Ghirmay?Robert5091 said:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/marcel-kittel-offered-path-back-to-cycling-by-jumbo-visma/
Kittel to JumboV ? Why bother when you have Gronewegen? Get that 18 year old Eritrean instead!
We already have like 3 of the top10 sprinters in BORA and another 3 in Deceuninck. Why not put all the rest in Jumbo so that we have all the best spritners in 3-4 teams so that more of them can miss on GT leadership opportunities.Robert5091 said:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/marcel-kittel-offered-path-back-to-cycling-by-jumbo-visma/
Kittel to JumboV ? Why bother when you have Gronewegen? Get that 18 year old Eritrean instead!
I'm pretty curious how a young Belgian talent will fare away from Lotto after growing with them. Too many have stayed too long in the past when they stopped improving instead of trying something new. Benoot looked like he was going down that same path.Logic-is-your-friend said:Belgian newspaper Het Nieuwsblad is reporting (as fact) that Benoot will leave Lotto Soudal.
Lotto can't and won't compete with offers from Ineos and Sunweb. Though the complete list of interested teams is:
AG2R-La Mondiale, Movistar, Cofidis, Sunweb & Ineos
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