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Teams & Riders The Great Big Cycling Transfers, Extensions, and Rumours Thread

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And now we know, he bought his own seat. Nothing wrong with that, happens in auto racing all the time. Very interesting.
Well, there is plenty wrong with that, just look at half the F1 grid who are worse drivers than Nico Hülkenberg but he has no seat. But it's hard to blame Cav for that.

Much like in motorsport, there are a few types of pay rider. There's the "come as a package deal" type guys, a bit like the classic F1 "Japanese driver comes with the engines" stereotype - people who are hired because they're friends or relatives of a star rider who the team is trying to keep happy; there's the "had the talent anyway" guys who would lose out to other pay riders if they don't raise their own sponsorship money (Alexis Vuillermoz is the best example of this); there's the "connection to sponsor" pay rider who gets in above their head or gets to do races over far superior riders because the money is contingent on them doing those races (Scinto has had a few of these, ranging from the "not too bad" like Eugert Zhupa to the "way out of their depth" like Ramón Carretero); and then there's the "career gamble" pay riders, riders who have history and reputation but have also managed to squander some of their goodwill, but want the chance to prove themselves in order to extend their careers - Cav looks like he's joining these ranks, along with the likes of Frank Vandenbroucke. If he ever wants to come back to Europe, this is what Bananito will probably need, his strong showings are too far back for a Rujano-type wildcard flyer.
 
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Money that UAE can give. Uae cleverly builds their team every year. They can wait until next year and then Lefevere will get less money than if he left now. I am sure Almeida will be running in UAE either next year or 2022.

"News" created by the portuguese media. There was never any interest in buying out Almeida's contract. They're just making stuff up to sell more, since they were lacking soccer news.
 
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Not only Portugese media :)

From what I saw it started in the portuguese media, which is a very bad sign when we're talking about World Tour related news. For instance, Ruben Guerreiro won the blue jersey at the Giro and we had several newspapers using Pozzovivo picture instead. (The NTT jersey was also blue, so... must be the same guy).

The level is very low. Usually they report WT news 2 or 3 days late. This time they were the first.

Most likely the journalist was talking with someone from UAE and said somethign like "you have several portuguese riders, wouldn't it be cool to have João Almeida?" The guy from UAE says "Yes" and BAM! We have news for tomorrow.
 
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From what I saw it started in the portuguese media, which is a very bad sign when we're talking about World Tour related news. For instance, Ruben Guerreiro won the blue jersey at the Giro and we had several newspapers using Pozzovivo picture instead. (The NTT jersey was also blue, so... must be the same guy).

The level is very low. Usually they report WT news 2 or 3 days late. This time they were the first.

Most likely the journalist was talking with someone from UAE and said somethign like "you have several portuguese riders, wouldn't it be cool to have João Almeida?" The guy from UAE says "Yes" and BAM! We have news for tomorrow.


Haha, you are completely wrong. They spoke to Almeida's manager. Mr. Correia. 5 days later, Belgian media asked Patrick Lefevere. Who admitted that there is interest. But that he will not let Almeida go. Unless they pay 2 million. Lefevere said that Almeida and his manager did not want bonuses and did not want to talk about the future. This means that he will most likely leave. Lefevere really does not need a rider he can no longer trust 100%.
 
Haha, you are completely wrong. They spoke to Almeida's manager. Mr. Correia. 5 days later, Belgian media asked Patrick Lefevere. Who admitted that there is interest. But that he will not let Almeida go. Unless they pay 2 million. Lefevere said that Almeida and his manager did not want bonuses and did not want to talk about the future. This means that he will most likely leave. Lefevere really does not need a rider he can no longer trust 100%.

His manager words:
A nossa forma de trabalhar na agência Corso Sport é conhecida pelas equipas, fala-se muito mas sem existirem propostas concretas tudo não passa de meras suposições», acrescentou.

Translation: Our agency, Corso Sport, is known by every team. They talk a lot, but without concrete proposals, those are all suppositions.

So... there was nothing.
 
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Speaking of "pay-riders", EF have signed Fumiyuki Beppu and considering that's their 2nd Japanese rider over 30 with no results in European races (at least in the last few years, Beppu was once a WT-worthy rider, but that was some 10 years ago), it seems Nippo or another Japanese sponsor is all but confirmed for 2021.
Nakane is at least pct level (top 10 in the Japan Cup last year ahead of good WT riders) and can do well in the Asian races that they'll probably ride for the sponsor. He's a sprinter who can climb really well, he was always by far the best Japanese rider on the Nippo-Vini Fantini team, so of course they never took him to the Giro and picked guys who missed the time cut in the opening ITT...
 
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Indeed Nakane is one of the decent or acceptable riders brought by exotic Sponsors. I don't think he is realistically PCT level (all his good results have come in asian races) but he will be able to do a proper job.

De Vresse and Van Keirsbulck could head to Tarteletto Isorex according to Wielerflits. Both of them are waiting, hoping to be picked up by their former team - Wanty. Weird that GVK wasn't signed by Qhuebka, considering all the lesser riders they have signed.
 
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You meant not WT level, right? He’s definitely better than quite a few guys with PCT contracts.

You're right.

PCT is a weird division. I have the impression that half of the cyclist riding for Pro Conti Teams are less talented than plenty of the riders in CT, especially in Spain and Italy. Bardiani, Vini, Burgos, Euskaltel have too many riders who wouldn't even have an impact in CT.
 
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You're right.

PCT is a weird division. I have the impression that half of the cyclist riding for Pro Conti Teams are less talented than plenty of the riders in CT, especially in Spain and Italy. Bardiani, Vini, Burgos, Euskaltel have too many riders who wouldn't even have an impact in CT.
You probably get payed more to be a top guy on a (good) CT team than to be a domestique on a PCT team. There are also more than enough guys who are a lot better at CT level than at PCT because they have to deal with less "regulations" and clinic related stuff, but that's another topic...
 
Why this desperation? There are enough talented cyclists around. I don't like that some olympic games rower or a guy from nordic skiing or whatever take places from someone who has loved the sport for ten years. I really don't like it actually, paying dues is a real thing. Also that guy will be a real danger in races like Axel writes; crazy if the team sends him to races if he has no previous experiences.
 
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Why this desperation? There are enough talented cyclists around. I don't like that some olympic games rower or a guy from nordic skiing or whatever take places from someone who has loved the sport for ten years. I really don't like it actually, paying dues is a real thing. Also that guy will be a real danger in races like Axel writes; crazy if the team sends him to races if he has no previous experiences.

That's what I was thinking, don't really know what's behind that. Maybe, looking at Lorang, the whole thinking at Bora is very much about training and VO2, not so much about racing instinct and technique? WKA will probably know more about this.
 
These athletes obviously have the engine - and that is the main requirement for a road cyclist; but what are they like riding in the bunch? And what are their technical skills like? I'm not expecting Nino/Loic levels, but you hope they'll be okay, and not a danger.
According to the team his technical skills are good, at the start they are gonna send him to one day races with lots of altitude gain and shorter stage races with lots of mountains.
Source: https://www.tour-magazin.de/profisport/news/anton-palzer-tauscht-ski-gegen-rennrad/a49855.html
The guy is already pretty skinny (59kg while bein 176cm tall) and has been riding his MTB for fun for a long time. He has been on the podium at the WC in both the vertical race and the individual (think about a hard granfondo like the Ötztaler with multiple ascents and descents, so he's clearly one of the top guys in his sport.
Those ski mountaineering guys have huge engines and probably have a freakish power to weight ratio. It's a sport for mountain men (and women) many of them go skyrunning or ultratrailrunning during the summer, even if the later is just brutal on your knees, running dowhill really beats you up.
 
That's what I was thinking, don't really know what's behind that. Maybe, looking at Lorang, the whole thinking at Bora is very much about training and VO2, not so much about racing instinct and technique? WKA will probably know more about this.
Yeah, there have been a few interviews with Lorang and also Denk which help explain this signings. Generally, your totally right about it being a lot about exceptional numbers. I think Roglic, Woods etc. have shown cycling coaches and teams that a big engine and a lot of good work and coaching make it possible for athletes from outside of cycling to enter the sport and be (very) competetive in a few years time.
That being said, Lorang obviously has his triathlon background as a coach. So he knows how to coach and handle not only cycling but also other disciplines. He knows what engines good runners possess, how that might translate to cycling etc. And he has obviously not only been "a" trainer in triathlon but he coached Frodeno and Haug to Hawaii titles.
Lorang has also stated that Bora has been looking outside of traditional (road) cycling for some time now in order to find talent. He is pretty connected in the coaching world outside of cycling, Bora as a team have worked with experts from other disciplines (mainly winter sports like Biathlon) and since Lorang has become Head of Performance he has a lot of say within Bora. Denk trusts him. Lorang developed Buchmann, Ackermann, Bennett into world class athletes. All have been given time to develop, they were cautious and had a long term plan, which is exactly what you need if you want to transform guys like Zwiehoff or Palzer.
This openness towards newly converted cyclists can also been seen as an investment into the future. There are a lot of young talents every year who don't make it in their respective sport and are looking for something else. There are athletes who want to switch to another sport because they like it more than what they have been doing etc. Just look at Tirols Florian Lipowitz. He is a Biathlon convert who has just been riding his first year professionaly. Has outstanding power numbers, amazing results in some Gran Fondos at a young age and liked cycling, which he did as 2nd discipline, so much that his father went up to Lorang and talked with him, which led to testing and a contract at Tirol. And a possible future at Bora. What I'm saying is, it opens up possibilites to acquire great talent. Especially if they view your team to be open about this stuff and having already developed such athletes.
And then there is also the commercial value. It's always a great story. Journos love it, commentaters love it and sponsors therefore as well.

In the end, they will test these guys extensively, and know them pretty well. With Zwiehoff for example Bora weren't the only team who were in on him. He shattered some performance test records at Jumbo Vismas test center. When they were made aware of his results, Lorang and Bora reacted and invited him.
The things they have to teach them is technicals and tactical skills, riding in a buch etc. Marlen Reusser is a great example in the womens peloton of a rider who has transitioned late to professional cycling , has outstanding power but lacks technical skills. Thus crashing often and other riders pointing that out and trying to avoid riding alongside her in the bunch. Someone from MTB like Zweihoff will probably adapt rather soon, with Palzer I don't know how his technical abilities from running and skiing will adapt on the road. But Denk certainly isn't the guy to start a project like this if he and the team weren't convinced that there is a pretty good chance of it being succesful.
 
Zweihoff is a bit different, as a MTB he has a cycling background, so the main thing is learning tactics and how to ride in the peloton.
There are many MTBers who would probably be great road cyclists, not just XC.
In XC I think about guys like Kerschbaumer, who's not the most explosive guy, but at his best on the hardest courses and at altitude.
Multiple times Marathon MTB WC Alban Lakata has a FTP of 420W and tons of endurance. He works with the same coach as Brändle, who said that Lakata clearly has the bigger engine. He also has lots of upper body muscle mass, compared to him even TTers like Kiryienka loos anorexic, so he could probably loose a lot of weight.
Or Daniel Federspiel, who used to be a XC eliminator specialist when that was still a thing. He was always super explosive and could push up to 2,500W while being 70kg and 173cm tall.
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Of course with someone like him you need to work a lot on endurance, once you transition to road cycling, but now he has ridden for Team Vorarlberg for 2 years and this year he finished 2nd in the Austrian NC RR (he also has the Strava KoM of the super steep part of the Gramartboden climb of the Innsbruck WC, a few seconds ahead of Barde, Woods and Valverde).
On paper a XC skiing or Biathlon guy should become an awesome descender, compared to what they do on those skis descending on a roadbike is nothing.
 
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Recruiting from other disciplines is quite sensible. Road cycling is the endurance sport with the biggest pro circuit, highest profile and most money. It makes obvious sense that people with top level endurance athlete physiology who happen to have got their start in other sports would gravitate towards it if the path is open.

The key issue with it though is safety. Riding in a bunch, bike handling, descending etc are hard won skills and nobody should be let anywhere near a pro race until they have learnt them all to a level of basic professional competence. If they can learn those skills, great, let em at it.
 
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Recruiting from other disciplines is quite sensible. Road cycling is the endurance sport with the biggest pro circuit, highest profile and most money. It makes obvious sense that people with top level endurance athlete physiology who happen to have got their start in other sports would gravitate towards it if the path is open.

The key issue with it though is safety. Riding in a bunch, bike handling, descending etc are hard won skills and nobody should be let anywhere near a pro race until they have learnt them all to a level of basic professional competence. If they can learn those skills, great, let em at it.
I totally agree, it's also easier to transition to cycling because it's low impact on your joints, muscles and tendons, if you compare it to running.
Yes, I feel that starting out on a smaller team like Roglic did would be the smart thing to do.