Transfers "Rumours & Reality" and Young Guns

[Publicus]

im wondering what impact this ruling has on team sky.. not from the point of view of their own license as it has pretty much been accepted, i guess its just crossing of t's and dotting of i's, but as far as their signings go...

theyve been very quiet on the signing front having named no more riders really since the initial british burst, i wonder if perhaps they have a few people they where waiting on to see if they could escape on the 20th...

who have Saxo, Caisse, or Astana got that they might want..

Im going to stick my neck and out and say sky might make someone an offer they cant refuse... someone like cancellara with 2 years left might be tempted to take financial security and a four year contract.. who knows..

on a side note, and i have alluded to this is the contador thread but food for thought nonetheless.. isnt it convenient that Caisse d'Epargne, and Eusktaltel-Euskadi are in the same boat.. effectively we have a whole bunch of spaniards free to cancel contracts.. interesting situation if contador goes to a new team..
almost suspicious... :? alternatively, AC can stay at astana, and let the khazaks raid caissee and euskalter of the spanish riders that AC wants.. perfect result for him...

That is an interesting alternative. Same with Sky poaching Cancellara. Very interesting thoughts.

 

[craig1985]

Aren't Saxo having finincial problems?

 

[Anonymous]

Aren't Saxo having finincial problems?

that was rumoured... they lost IT factory as a sponsor this year when they went bancrupt.. i think that had an impact

i think at looking at astana people are looking in the wrong place...
a couple of saxo riders to shack/sky and a few spaniards to astana with ac...

 

[journalguy]

that was rumoured... they lost IT factory as a sponsor this year when they went bancrupt.. i think that had an impact

i think at looking at astana people are looking in the wrong place...
a couple of saxo riders to shack/sky and a few spaniards to astana with ac...

And perhaps Zubeldia to RadioShack? Wasn't he recently rumored to want to make that switch?

 

[racerralph]

I think you're absolutely right from a legal perspective. Any Astana rider whose contract contains the language that the UCI added to its model contract in July has the option to terminate his contract. But one thing we don't know is whether multi-year contracts signed before that new language was adopted are nevertheless subject to it for some reason, or were required to be amended to include it. If I'm not mistaken, Contador has a multi-year contract that predates the new language.

Very true. But, any rider with an ongoing, meaning current, contract, that was written before the July language was added, would not have had that in their contract. Would that mean that only riders who have signed a new contract for 2010, would be able to take advantage of that clause? Somehow, I doubt that's the case. But, it is pretty ambiguous at the moment......but time will tell, and I don't think we'll have to wait very long for the answer!

 

[Cerberus]

that was rumoured... they lost IT factory as a sponsor this year when they went bancrupt.. i think that had an impact

It did, they've been looking for a new main sponsor, but I don't think they're nearing colapse or anything, just lowering their ambitions a bit. Part of it is simply loosing extra money they were expectign to get, but now won't which is clearly less damaging than loosing money they needed to mantain the team.

 

[issoisso]

It did, they've been looking for a new main sponsor, but I don't think they're nearing colapse or anything, just lowering their ambitions a bit. Part of it is simply loosing extra money they were expectign to get, but now won't which is clearly less damaging than loosing money they needed to mantain the team.

But they are losing the money to maintain the current squad. They're reduced to Kim Andersen admitting they weren't happy with Bochmann, yet still offering him a renewal simply because they need to fill roster spots cheaply.

 

[Cerberus]

But they are losing the money to maintain the current squad. They're reduced to Kim Andersen admitting they weren't happy with Bochmann, yet still offering him a renewal simply because they need to fill roster spots cheaply.

Clearly they're loosing strenght, my point is simply that I don't think they're about to colapse or degrade into a second rate team or anything.

 

[craig1985]

Maybe they are going to have to stop going to Argentina to race. That will cost a fortune as it is to fly 8 cyclists (I assume Haedo still lives in the US during the off-season), plus bikes, a DS, a mechanic or two, and at least one soignuer.

 

[craig1985]

Ceramica Flaminia for 2010: Alessandro Maserati, Andrea Noè, Cristiano Fumagalli, Daniele Colli, Donato Cannone, Edoardo Girardi, Enrico Rossi, Fabrizio Lucciola, Filippo Baggio, Giampaolo Caruso, Leonardo Giordani, Luca Celli, Massimiliano Gentili, Paolo Bailetti, Raivis Belohvosciks, Riccardo Riccò and Santo Anzà.

Noè is still riding, despite being 41 next year.

And Cobo goes to Caisse d'Epargne. I thought this might have happened after the Vuelta.

 

[KazakhNeRider]

Ceramica Flaminia for 2010: ... Giampaolo Caruso...

it's interesting, Caruso was named among Astana's potential newcomers...

 

[Parcours]

So thats Gianpaolo Caruso and Cobo that Astana have lost out on.

However the Caisse team is now looking like one of the best support teams around. Cobo, Brushegin, Moreau, Arroyo, Luis Leon and Soler. If Alberto joined that team then he would have the strongest team in cycling.

 

[Bala Verde]

Apparently Oscar Pereiro Sio has other options after his deal with Xacabeo-Galacia failed to materialize. The rumoured teams are Quick Step and Footon-Servetto.

Austrian Matthias Brändle (19) signed with Footon-Servetto.

 

[python]

was it mentioned that grivko signed with astana? he's pretty solid all rounder good time trialist and can climb.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Apparently Oscar Pereiro Sio has other options after his deal with Xacabeo-Galacia failed to materialize. The rumoured teams are Quick Step and Footon-Servetto.

Austrian Matthias Brändle (19) signed with Footon-Servetto.

Footon starting to get thier act together...
Brandle has some potential i think.

 

[afpm90]

Gianpaolo Cheula to Footon-Servetto. http://www.tuttobiciweb.it/index.php?page=news&cod=24755&tp=n

 

[samb01]

it's interesting, Caruso was named among Astana's potential newcomers...

Damiano Caruso, yes.

 

[Beech Mtn]

Maybe they are going to have to stop going to Argentina to race. That will cost a fortune as it is to fly 8 cyclists (I assume Haedo still lives in the US during the off-season), plus bikes, a DS, a mechanic or two, and at least one soignuer.

I don't know how cycling does it, but in NASCAR, when they used to race in Australia and Japan, they were paid an appearance fee that covered travel. You took older cars with you, and sold them after the race, rather than transport them home. Since it wasn't a critical race for the points calendar, results didn't matter so much. It was more about making an appearance which gave the sponsors and sport international exposure in a needed market.

Noè is still riding, despite being 41 next year.

Heck, how did Lance miss this signing? Would've been a good fit over at the Old Folks Home.

 

[Anonymous]

so aside from astana... saxo are in the same boat, riders technically free to leave if they want to...

do the rumours of schleck to the shack resurface, anybody likely to take the option to flee saxo?

 

[ak-zaaf]

so aside from astana... saxo are in the same boat, riders technically free to leave if they want to...

do the rumours of schleck to the shack resurface, anybody likely to take the option to flee saxo?

Is it really that simple? If it was I'd figure there would be pictures by now of Fran and Bertie crying in each others arms while holding a Caisse kit.

 

[Cerberus]

Saxo's application has been ok'd
http://feltet.dk/index.php?id_parent=28&id=28&id_nyhed=22617 (danish)

 

[python]

Saxo's application has been ok'd
http://feltet.dk/index.php?id_parent=28&id=28&id_nyhed=22617 (danish)

too late lance twittered 5 minutes ago that aschleck is interested in going to shack..j/k

 

[Bala Verde]

Is it really that simple? If it was I'd figure there would be pictures by now of Fran and Bertie crying in each others arms while holding a Caisse kit.

Agreed.

When reading that UCI provision it stated something like "if, on 20 October of the year preceding a year of registration covered by the present contract, the UCI ProTeam has not submitted a registration file containing the essential documents," the rider may terminate the contract "without notice or liability for damages".

What are those 'essential documents', because the UCI accepted the application which they received before the mentioned deadline and started the reviewing process. Certain things are missing or off (perhaps non-essential, minor details) for which they have granted the teams a new deadline. However, they did meet the first deadline for submission.

 

[zoeart]

Biciclismo, La Marca and some other spanish papers are reporting that Benjamin Noval has come to an agreement to stay at Astana for 2010. Not clear if he actually signed anything yet. Funny timing.

 

[Publicus]

Agreed.

When reading that UCI provision it stated something like "if, on 20 October of the year preceding a year of registration covered by the present contract, the UCI ProTeam has not submitted a registration file containing the essential documents," the rider may terminate the contract "without notice or liability for damages".

What are those 'essential documents', because the UCI accepted the application which they received before the mentioned deadline and started the reviewing process. Certain things are missing or off (perhaps non-essential, minor details) for which they have granted the teams a new deadline. However, they did meet the first deadline for submission.

From the UCI press release

n accordance with a new article added to the rules on 1 July 2009 (2.15.169b), the UCI is today publishing the list of teams that by 20 October 2009 had submitted an application file containing the following required documents:

• budget

• the sponsorship contracts duly signed with the main partners

• the bank guarantee

• at least 12 contracts with riders duly signed by the two parties

• for new teams only, a description of the structure of the team together with a copy of the deed of incorporation of the paying agent.

Astana didn't get the documents in by the deadline (they've admitted as much in an article on Velo News), which creates this termination right. The only question, and the UCI regulations are largely silent on this point, is whether the amendment to the standard contract (the terms of which are incorporated in/form the basis of every rider's contract) applies to existing contracts or only new contracts entered into after July 2009. At present, McQuaid (by his statements on 20 October (see article in cyclingweekly)) and Astana (Velo News article I referenced above) suggested that AC has the right to terminate his contract as result of Astana's failure to submit the essential documents on 20 October.