Twitter war against Vaughters

[jobiwan]

Garmin have had nothing to do with Thor's victories. He did it all him self.

How exactly did Thor get into yellow? Wasn't it the TEAM time trial?
And that 2nd win into Gap. Pretty sure Hesjedal had a BIG part in that one. Hesjedal forced EBH to do all the work.

 

[Swabian Lass]

JV is the DS. End of. What he says goes.

I think he made a mistake responding on Twitter though.

 

[kurtinsc]

Haussler was co leader in every classic he started. He failed miserably. And his Paris-Nice wasn't good either. Points jersey in a one week race, what do you buy with that? 2 stage wins at Qatar is all he has done this season. That was February.

Last year he won a stage in the Tour and the Vuelta. What more reason do you need to put him in the Vuelta?

And what do his amount of wins last year have to do with this? Should Phil have stopped his seasons after 7 wins because he isn't allowed to pass that this season? Crazy reasoning.

Garmin have had nothing to do with Thor's victories. He did it all him self.

Ps: Check out this year's Vuelta. Not so many stages for Farrar

Garmin had nothing to do with a Team Time Trial win? Really?

And Hesjedal being in the break for that one breakaway stage didnt help Thor at all?

And the team riding to keep Thor's jersey during the Tour... that wasn't Garmin?

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[El Pistolero]

Garmin had nothing to do with a Team Time Trial win? Really?

And Hesjedal being in the break for that one breakaway stage didnt help Thor at all?

And the team riding to keep Thor's jersey during the Tour... that wasn't Garmin?

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I'm talking about individual wins(yellow jersey ain't a victory). And Thor was quite ****ed with Vaughters because of the many press conferences he had to go to even after he lost the yellow jersey

But I did forget about Hesjedal though

 

[max_powers]

I'm talking about individual wins(yellow jersey ain't a victory). And Thor was quite ****ed with Vaughters because of the many press conferences he had to go to even after he lost the yellow jersey

But I did forget about Hesjedal though

Have u seen the prize money awarded for each day's yellow jersey? well worth fighting for

 

[El Pistolero]

Have u seen the prize money awarded for each day's yellow jersey? well worth fighting for

But in the end, it was Thor's own doing for keeping that jersey for so long by not being dropped on the many uphill finishes.

 

[Angliru]

+1.

Stewart O'grady and Baden Cooke are being Immature about this. What truth they want? Everybody knows why he did it so who cares.

Let's keep in mind that it was the wise, grizzled vet Stewie that led poor Andy astray on a late-nite barhopping frenzy during the Vuelta that resulted in both of them being pulled from the event. A decision that they both publicly considered unfair and an overreaction on Riis' part. He lost his credibility with me back then.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Riders get left out of races they want to do all the time.

Unless Thor and Vaughters had a contract or understanding that Thor would ride the Vuelta regardless of 2012. then there is a problem.

If not, then I don't see how this is different from Cavendish being made to ride California and saying he'd rather be at the Giro in 2010, or Russell Downing complaining at being left out of the Vuelta squad last year in a blatant violation of Sky's own self-imposed "every rider gets a GT ride" policy, even despite him being one of their best performers all season.

 

[Angliru]

That might fool you. Others who are a little brighter might get a clue that a rider is leaving when there are no contract negotiations to renew the rider's contract.

LOL!! One would think that would've been obvious but........

 

[Angliru]

I do love how members of this forum think Stuart O'Grady shouldn't share his opinion on something in cycling yet see no problem in sharing their own opinions on absolutely anything cycling related regardless of whether they know what they're talking about.

No, a guy who's won PR, 2 tour stages, worn yellow, a full set of Olympic jewellery and 2 world championships shouldn't voice his opinion, but someone who's greatest cycling achievement is opening a twitter account should

Your problem seems to be our not agreeing with O'Grady's perspective on the matter not necessarily that he had the gumption to make it public. In that respect it's no different than our expressing our opinions here and others agreeing, disagreeing or being ambivalent about it. Should he be immune to criticisms because of his impressive resume'?

 

[VeloCity]

But in the end, it was Thor's own doing for keeping that jersey for so long by not being dropped on the many uphill finishes.

In part because his team gave him an armchair ride to the foot of those uphill finishes. Relatively easy not to get dropped when you don't have to do a lick of work before the climbs, thanks to the work of your teammates.

 

[El Pistolero]

In part because his team gave him an armchair ride to the foot of those uphill finishes. Relatively easy not to get dropped when you don't have to do a lick of work before the climbs, thanks to the work of your teammates.

Erm, even if he wasn't wearing the yellow jersey he wouldn't have to work before the foot of these finishes. Besides, OPL and BMC were doing most of the chasing on these stages.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Erm, even if he wasn't wearing the yellow jersey he wouldn't have to work before the foot of these finishes. Besides, OPL and BMC were doing most of the chasing on these stages.

Erm, indeed.
Why work that hard for a guy to sit in the bunch unless he had the MJ?

As I said earlier you appear to be trying to rewrite history, you appear to have forgotten the amazing amount of work done for Thor by Navardauskas and Zabriskie who spent km after Km on the front for him.

 

[patrick767]

its his team, he can do what he likes. Thor has already ridden the tour, not the business of other riders to moan at him.

people need to sort out their own mess before worrying baout other peoples

What is with posts like this one? Of course it's his team and he is allowed to do what he wants. No one disputes that fact. We can still hold the opinion that he's an pathetic little tool and that he has something personal against TH.

I have zero respect for Vaughters. I'm all for his utter failure. It'd be bad for his team riders and I'd feel for them, but a big plus in the long run.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

I have zero respect for Vaughters. I'm all for his utter failure. It'd be bad for his team riders and I'd feel for them, but a big plus in the long run.

Perhaps a good reason why he shouldn't be taking advice from people like you.

 

[Deagol]

If you are all so opinionated in how a pro team should be run, maybe you should form your own.

Is anyone ripping on Cadel warning Thor to not set his sights on riding the Tour next year with BMC? Same principal, not within the team's stated goals.

Also, Hincapie wanting to win Paris-Roubaix for years now having Thor come into the team with the same goal- someone's feelings will get hurt.

 

[pmcg76]

Riders and managers/DS falling out aint exactly a new thing. It is as old as time itself, many times have there been riders sidelined by their teams because they fell out with the boss, sometimes for half a season or more.

Of the top of my head, I remember Allan Peiper saying that after he fell out with Peter Post at Panasonic, he was effectively sidelined for the rest of the season which was almost all of 1990, he only got to go to the Giro that year because they were short on riders due to injuries etc. I think the dispute was in regards to money.

I dont know what happened at Garmin but to me it is clear that Hushovd has had issues since the start of the year. I mean he was linked with a move away as early as spring. As usual, there is two sides to every story and just because people are adults in exalted positions doesnt preclude them from acting childishly. Twitter exemplifies this perfectly which is why I will never have a twitter account. As the saying goes "Better to say nothing and let people think you are a fool than to talk and prove you are one"

 

[auscyclefan94]

If you are all so opinionated in how a pro team should be run, maybe you should form your own.

Is anyone ripping on Cadel warning Thor to not set his sights on riding the Tour next year with BMC? Same principal, not within the team's stated goals.

Yes some people are (unfairly)and there is a thread for that. if you read the quotes properley then you would know he didn't actually say that.

 

[Deagol]

Top cyclists seem to be territorial, and I can understand why. I can see why Cadel may not want BMC to have Thor on the TDF 2012 (however he phrased it). It was said -very tactfully- by Garmin's top placed rider that they spent a lot of energy defending Thor's yellow jersey in the first portion of the race, a jersey that did get them attention, but they ultimately knew they would not keep it. In the end, it is management's decision.

 

[Angliru]

What is with posts like this one? Of course it's his team and he is allowed to do what he wants. No one disputes that fact. We can still hold the opinion that he's an pathetic little tool and that he has something personal against TH.

I have zero respect for Vaughters. I'm all for his utter failure. It'd be bad for his team riders and I'd feel for them, but a big plus in the long run.

I heard this before. What could Vaughters have personally against Hushovd? Where could the animosity have started?

 

[Bielers]

I heard this before. What could Vaughters have personally against Hushovd? Where could the animosity have started?

Perhaps a clash of two huge egos...

 

[Damiano Machiavelli]

Oh dear. O'Grady is now taking out his anger on regular schmoes who question his opinion.

“@Millsys_Musings sorry were you there? Do you know for a fact this happened …. I didn’t think so… Nice try week end warrior”

 

[Race Radio]

Funny........ the guy who comes out looking the worst in this whole thing is Stuey.

 

[Damiano Machiavelli]

Funny........ the guy who comes out looking the worst in this whole thing is Stuey.

Do not worry. I hear Stuey is good at drinking his sorrows away. I am sure he will show the young Greed Edge riders the locations of all the pubs in europe.

 

[hrotha]

Oh dear. O'Grady is now taking out his anger on regular schmoes who question his opinion.

“@Millsys_Musings sorry were you there? Do you know for a fact this happened …. I didn’t think so… Nice try week end warrior”

Followed up by "Guess you've never worn a rainbow jersey in ya life." A tad elitist, maybe? Nah.