Tyler Hamilton confessions/accusations

[jobiwan]

Didn't particularly agree with this bit though. How is outing dopers unfair to those who are really racing clean (if indeed they exist)?

I think it's safe to say that as we are learning more and more about how dirty the sport was, (and to some extent still is), the majority of the average public loses interest in the up-and-coming talent.
Instead of placing the "dirty" tag on the Armstrong bunch, many place it on the entire bunch, which to me is unfair. My opinion

 

[Benotti69]

Once again, you show just how little you know. People are put away all the time based on the testimony of people who have lied before and have little to no credibility. You really love to show just how little you know or understand on a regular basis. Did you know that horses will stay in a barn that is on fire?

what about doped horses?

 

[Benotti69]

Thanks for answering for me, I didn't have the willpower to continue taking Flick seriously at that point.

BTW. The mullet is proof enough on it's own.

I always wondered was the mulltet a side effect of some russian PED

 

[Elagabalus]

Oh and you forgot to add that Eki hails from behind the Iron Curtain..... and he was a champion pro cyclist....

Really all you had to say was, current friend, associate of Lance's....LOL

Haterz.....

Oh, stop it! You know that you love us ...

"flicker gazed up at his computer screen. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He finally loved the Clinic."

 

[stephens]

Like Armstrong?

Don't be ridiculous. Why do you continuously accuse anyone who has anything critical to say about the "witch hunt" of being a Armstrong fan? I don't give two ****s about the guy and am sure he cheated (therefore screwing people over) as i've reiterated as recently as a few hours ago. Keep up please.

 

[flicker]

Oh, stop it! You know that you love us ...

"flicker gazed up at his computer screen. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He finally loved the Clinic."

Sorry Chade, missed our honey badger waffle appointment at the Maddona, big slide at Big Sur. later Man Rod

 

[pedaling squares]

Ok, my mistake. Should not have dropped the mullet reference into this thread. My apologies all around, along with props to MacRoadie for the fine image of the two-toned Ekimullet as seen from the six o' clock position. Probably deserving of its own thread, but let's all get back to Hamilton now.

 

[jobiwan]

Ok, my mistake. Should not have dropped the mullet reference into this thread. My apologies all around, along with props to MacRoadie for the fine image of the two-toned Ekimullet as seen from the six o' clock position. Probably deserving of its own thread, but let's all get back to Hamilton now.

Sorry, just enjoyed the little bit of light humor!! But yes, back to Hamilton.

 

[flicker]

The amazing thing, and this has been going on for so long, is that no matter what is said, the average american non cyclists not only defends armstrong but gets all huffy when he is questioned...they go right along with everything his legal team says...I put that next to Bonds...even before the evidence, most baseball fans agreed he was a cheater...show a photo of the year before steriods, and show the one after juicing...and with no court of law baseball fans slam the guy...and they were right...

But with armstrong, it is a different story...even today I have read many comments on blogs ect or the bigger venues...huffington post, daily beast..you name it...the average american joe goes right along with the sliming...or at least a few are now sophisticated enough to say "well, they all did it..." after saying for years the truth tellers are liars ect. They defend the guy no matter what, like the trolls here...like they need to believe no matter what...no matter what evidence or personal stories...

my only conclusion is people need a saint in the face of cancer and or death...or they need that big a## hollywood story and will fight to the death defending it...that is sad...talk about playing a vulnerable public like some sad politician. People just need to defend this guy no matter what...and those of us in the cycling community talking about evidence are like atheists arguing with fundamentalists...

One example...a read a guy today sliming Hamilton et all...they are cheaters ect...so we can't trust them...and saying no matter what the evidence, he would only believe a video tape of armstrong shooting up...fine, and then you realize, even if he saw that video, he would say to himself, I can't see epo written on the bottle ...must have been B12...

You do realize that Lance might fake being a doper to make everyone in the peloton accept him.

 

[MacRoadie]

Ok, my mistake. Should not have dropped the mullet reference into this thread. My apologies all around, along with props to MacRoadie for the fine image of the two-toned Ekimullet as seen from the six o' clock position. Probably deserving of it's own thread, but let's all get back to Hamilton now.

We all needed a break...like a seventh inning stretch...before getting back to the next 600 posts.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I think it's safe to say that as we are learning more and more about how dirty the sport was, (and to some extent still is), the majority of the average public loses interest in the up-and-coming talent.
Instead of placing the "dirty" tag on the Armstrong bunch, many place it on the entire bunch, which to me is unfair. My opinion

Perhaps, but is it as unfair as having to try to compete with dopers while being clean?

 

[Hugh Januss]

You do realize that Lance might fake being a doper to make everyone in the peloton accept him.

OK now I like you again, humor is really gonna be your only good option from here on.

 

[velobabee]

"trying to slime 60 minutes for trying to bring fraud and deception into public view...if enron, wallstreet and other various robber barons couldnt destroy the stories by questioning 60 minutes' credibility I highly doubt lance will be able to do so".

GOOD for you bringing this up. pretty disappointed with 60 minutes and segment last sunday, *** edited by mod

 

[VeloMaster]

Phil and Paul drop the ball... again

No surprise, I guess, but P&P's call of the TOC time trial just made passing mention of Tyler's confession and decision to turn back his gold medal but somehow failed to mention the big news of TH's CBS appearance.

Time to put those two out to pasture -- long past time.

 

[The Gnome]

"You do realize that Lance might fake being a doper to make everyone in the peloton accept him"

I know the guy hates his daddy, but I think that's a stretch...altho I would appreciate it being true. Lance just wanted love and acceptance...and then to crush those who questioned his status as top of the crap pile like some sorta weird dystopian novel plot...I don't think it is that interesting. But what is next for you believer guys? I mean that honestly...

 

[Dr. Maserati]

+1
I suspect there are many on here that would forgive almost anyone if their confession harmed Armstrong.


Armstrong, Landis and Hamilton should be treated with contempt in equal measure.

You 'suspect' - anything to back that up because I 'suspect' that you are wrong.

Funny that you think they should be viewed with contempt - thats quite a strong opinion for riders having doped which is the only thing that the 3 have in common.

 

[The Gnome]

"trying to slime 60 minutes for trying to bring fraud and deception into public view...if enron, wallstreet and other various robber barons couldnt destroy the stories by questioning 60 minutes' credibility I highly doubt lance will be able to do so".

GOOD for you bringing this up. pretty disappointed with 60 minutes and segment last sunday, trying to say we are against government if we talk bad and protest, about big brother. boulder colorado is a police state. listen up folks in america, surveillance every where. DHS is takiing this country down. i have no idea why 60 minutes wants this interview to take down LA, but it is poitical let me tell you. 60 minutes sure let barry obama tell lies and ben bernanke just lies to the american public and grins when doing it. these men are more dangerous then lance or tyler. these men are trying to take america down to path of FEMA camps and poverty. watch and see. i wonder if it has something (angle) to do with france itself. everything that these corporate run media propaganda television stations have an angle rest assured. you all should be talking about the angle from these corporations. sky = murdock. what filth these men are, don't watch television in america. i might watch this interview but don't believe a thing that CBS doesn't have an angle. groping people every where, we have lost our constitutional rights in this country and they are going fast†

ok...that's great...I love it...a lifetime of free tinfoil for you my friend...see you over at the fema camp...

 

[oldschoolnik]

List of entities with no credibility according to Lance Camp

Just a reminder of the list of news entities and people with no credibility according to Lance Camp:

Tyler Hamilton (former TDF teammate)- "accused him of fingering LA to get a book deal"
Floyd Landis (former teammate) - "says he has no credibility die to lying about his own doping for 2 years"

And legit news outlets:

Wall Street Journal (International daily business Newspaper) LA accuses WSJ of "falling far short of minimum journalistic standards on many levels"
New York Times (Genrally recognized as the paper of record) has said that other teammates besides Landis--we don't know if this was Hamilton or not--backed up Floyd's account of systematic doping on postal.
60 Minutes (Top investigative news show in TV) Says they are trying to destroy his character

The only Pulitzer Prize winning publications missing from this list are The Washington Post -- with Lance's ghost writer Sally Jenkins on their staff it's not surprising they aren't on here--and the New Yorker Magazine which I will imagine will pen a piece after the case gets settled or goes to trial.

You would be hard pressed to find a more credible group of news organizations--from across the political spectrum. I know that at least NY Times and WSJ require multiple corroborating sources for pieces like this. Amusing to me that people still say "if he is guilty" before discussing LA case.

 

[MacRoadie]

No surprise, I guess, but P&P's call of the TOC time trial just made passing mention of Tyler's confession and decision to turn back his gold medal but somehow failed to mention the big news of TH's CBS appearance.

Can't very well diss their own partner in that African gold mine...

 

[D-Queued]

Funny how EVERY article we see specifically references the "500 tests" tweet and summarily dismisses it as having zero merit.

Having tried to count up all of his tests on multiple occasions (27 is the USADA count), it is all but impossible that the actual count exceeded 100 let alone 500.

The 100 would also include any Passport tests (less than 4/year as we know).

In fact, even adding HCT 50% 'health' screens into the mix might not push the total much beyond 100.

No, I am not exaggerating.

Now, we have no idea how many 'tests' were performed by Ferrari.

So, I challenge the Armstrong camp to provide proof of all of the tests, including those by Ferrari. Feel free to throw in the lactate tests.

Just go ahead and document them all so that we can be 'convinced' of this statement.

This is as bold a lie as any as he has told.

Lance apparently believes that he can get away with this one - if for no other reason than WADA and the UCI will not release the number unless subpoenaed.

By the time it is revealed in court, the lie will have served its purpose anyways.

Dave.

As a post-note, we should be hounding the UCI to provide the same level of disclosure as USADA - how many tests performed on which athletes in which years.

If they do not do that, then they are complicit in hiding the truth and protecting dopers. Not that this would be news.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Don't be ridiculous. Why do you continuously accuse anyone who has anything critical to say about the "witch hunt" of being a Armstrong fan? I don't give two ****s about the guy and am sure he cheated (therefore screwing people over) as i've reiterated as recently as a few hours ago. Keep up please.

Probably because you make comments like "witch hunt", it is not.

It is an investigation in to the use, distribution and acquisition of drugs - like many others, but yet for some reason people seem to think Armstrong should be exempt from this.

 

[MacRoadie]

"trying to slime 60 minutes for trying to bring fraud and deception into public view...if enron, wallstreet and other various robber barons couldnt destroy the stories by questioning 60 minutes' credibility I highly doubt lance will be able to do so".

GOOD for you bringing this up. pretty disappointed with 60 minutes and segment last sunday, trying to say we are against government if we talk bad and protest, about big brother. boulder colorado is a police state. listen up folks in america, surveillance every where. DHS is takiing this country down. i have no idea why 60 minutes wants this interview to take down LA, but it is poitical let me tell you. 60 minutes sure let barry obama tell lies and ben bernanke just lies to the american public and grins when doing it. these men are more dangerous then lance or tyler. these men are trying to take america down to path of FEMA camps and poverty. watch and see. i wonder if it has something (angle) to do with france itself. everything that these corporate run media propaganda television stations have an angle rest assured. you all should be talking about the angle from these corporations. sky = murdock. what filth these men are, don't watch television in america. i might watch this interview but don't believe a thing that CBS doesn't have an angle. groping people every where, we have lost our constitutional rights in this country and they are going fast†

Does any of that matter, seeing as your world will be ending tomorrow? (5/21/11)

 

[Elagabalus]

Sorry Chade, missed our honey badger waffle appointment at the Maddona, big slide at Big Sur. later Man Rod

We can still get together after the ITT today.

Pssssssst...the secret code is 805

 

[jobiwan]

Perhaps, but is it as unfair as having to try to compete with dopers while being clean?

Not in the slightest!

 

[MacRoadie]

We can still get together after the ITT today.

Pssssssst...the secret code is 805

Oh man, flickie. You are IN baby!!!!