Tyler Hamilton confessions/accusations

[sartain]

Anyone else a bit upset that Hamilton is merely reffered to as a Lance teammate rather than an LBL winner.

You have to realize that your average beer chugging, BarcaLounger watching cycling fan in the Land of Milk and Honey - that also managed to shimmy his 50% body fat body into a full LS kit - has no clue what LBL is, or cares for that matter. It's all about living strong.

 

[gregod]

You are of course right DW. I'm no LA supporter, and he will get what's coming to him, but for the future of the sport doping is the focus. Cutting it, curbing it, doing whatever necessary to clean up the mess and make the sport better for future riders.

i hope you are right, but the powerful seem to have a way of weaseling out of the messes they get in.

hypothetically, if dopestrong came clean to the grand jury (however unlikely that is), the grand jury would have little or nothing to indict him on (i think). so, the reason the investigation continues is to go over everybody's testimony with a fine tooth comb until they can lock a perjury charge on him.

 

[Contre la montre]

nevermind/disregard

 

[Berzin]

i hope you are right, but the powerful seem to have a way of weaseling out of the messes they get in.

hypothetically, if dopestrong came clean to the grand jury (however unlikely that is), the grand jury would have little or nothing to indict him on (i think). so, the reason the investigation continues is to go over everybody's testimony with a fine tooth comb until they can lock a perjury charge on him.

Even if this scenario plays out, Armstrong will get hounded with lawsuits from all the lies he's told involving sponsorships, which were predicated on his riding clean. At the very least, that is the image that was being sold.

He will also have some explaining to do to the cancer community, who he's pimped out like a Hunt's Point street walker for far too long.

 

[Yeahright]

Yeah! You can take that to the BANK!

The only problem with that is that there would be no-one to give the title to. Also all the guys before him back to Anquetil were on some form of enhancement so maybe we just wipe all winners back to to 1950.

 

[leftover pie]

I think the larger point needs to be made that instead of focusing on who to give those Tour titles to, to vacate Armstrong's name from the books. He should never be honored as the man who won the most Tours, or even one Tour for that matter.

They might as well leave those years blank-no winner. Cycling needs to do this.

That would make it clear to all those who doped that even in posterity there will be no rewards for cheaters.

in 2010 australian rugby league team Melbourne Storm playing in the national competition was found to have cheated the salary cap for a number of years, they were stripped of their premierships for 2007 & 2009, all that remains is a blank spot in the history books, ie second place wasn't elevated to 1st.

a good reminder i think, rather than just elevating the next person/team.

 

[sartain]

Even if this scenario plays out, Armstrong will get hounded with lawsuits from all the lies he's told involving sponsorships, which were predicated on his riding clean. At the very least, that is the image that was being sold.

He will also have some explaining to do to the cancer community, who he's pimped out like a Hunt's point street walker for far too long.

Berzin,

I have to disagree with you here, at least for the majority of his sponsors. Maybe the USPS tries to sue him, but his four major sponsors . . . Nike, Trek, Giro, and Oakley . . . I say no way. These companies knew exactly what horse they were backing, and in many ways are part of the larger problem; they have been enablers of the fraud. As far as RadioShack is concerned, I doubt they will dumb him either, unless one or more of the company's major shareholders applies enough pressure, because Lee Applbaum and LA appear to be real good buddies. Just go to Appalbaum's Twitter account . . . the guy is clearly living out his bike racer fantasy through his association with LA.

 

[Ferminal]

If anyone cares, Jonker once again proves that Australia is well behind the 8-ball.

PATRICK JONKER: My time at US Postal I didn't see anything that indicated any sort of cheating that Tyler alleges. Now he's making these allegations and he's also going to bring his autobiography out and you sort of, you wonder sometimes the motives of what they're saying and why they're doing it.

ANNA HIPSLEY: So you don't believe Tyler Hamilton's telling the truth?

PATRICK JONKER: No, no, my only statement is that with my time at US Postal I saw nothing and also he didn't give any indication, like I was rooming with Tyler Hamilton for quite a time actually.

Typical talking points, not sure there's any other USPS teammate rattling them out like this? It's funny though, he actually says he can't deny that Tyler's accusations may be true, but tries to completely discredit them anyway.

Plus I struggle to believe Jonker knew or saw nothing, chances are he doped himself.

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2011/s3223109.htm

 

[ChrisE]

If anyone cares, Jonker once again proves that Australia is well behind the 8-ball.



Typical talking points, not sure there's any other USPS teammate rattling them out like this? It's funny though, he actually says he can't deny that Tyler's accusations may be true, but tries to completely discredit them anyway.

Plus I struggle to believe Jonker knew or saw nothing, chances are he doped himself.

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2011/s3223109.htm

You mean somebody that actually lived with TH claims he saw nothing? Yes, he must be lying.....people much further removed from a situation can only make those conclusions if they follow the script.

 

[Benotti69]

Berzin,

I have to disagree with you here, at least for the majority of his sponsors. Maybe the USPS tries to sue him, but his four major sponsors . . . Nike, Trek, Giro, and Oakley . . . I say no way. These companies knew exactly what horse they were backing, and in many ways are part of the larger problem; they have been enablers of the fraud. As far as RadioShack is concerned, I doubt they will dumb him either, unless one or more of the company's major shareholders applies enough pressure, because Lee Applbaum and LA appear to be real good buddies. Just go to Appalbaum's Twitter account . . . the guy is clearly living out his bike racer fantasy through his association with LA.

there is the possibility they initiate very public litigation to distance themselves from the dirt, but do a Gunderson and it is all wind but has the desired media affect.

Dont forget when his head has been put on a platter there will be a plethora of images of a yella jersey Gunderson on a trek, wearing nike, giro and oakleys that they might want to distance themselves from and if one does it there maybe a domino effect.

 

[Ferminal]

You mean somebody that actually lived with TH claims he saw nothing? Yes, he must be lying.....people much further removed from a situation can only make those conclusions if they follow the script.

Where did I say he must be lying?

I said I struggle to believe his comments are genuine, that is my own opinion, not a purported statement of fact. If you disagree that is cool and what a forum is about, but please don't put words in my mouth.

 

[ChrisE]

Where did I say he must be lying?

I said I struggle to believe his comments are genuine, that is my own opinion, not a purported statement of fact. If you disagree that is cool and what a forum is about, but please don't put words in my mouth.

Sorry ferminal....I did not mean you were lying.

I was being sarcastic about a discussion that is going on in another thread, where people just "know" who dopes and doesn't because of what somebody claims. In reality, those posters don't know **** and just cling to what they want to believe that will align with their opinions.

My apologies again. Take care.

 

[velobabee]

"i hope you are right, but the powerful seem to have a way of weaseling out of the messes they get in."
they sure do†

 

[Ferminal]

Sorry ferminal....I did not mean you were lying.

I was being sarcastic about a discussion that is going on in another thread, where people just "know" who dopes and doesn't because of what somebody claims. In reality, those posters don't know **** and just cling to what they want to believe that will align with their opinions.

My apologies again. Take care.

That is ok, I didn't really understand what you were trying to say anyway!

 

[richwagmn]

Ligget during commentary:

Very sad news from overnight. Tyler Hamilton has admitted to doping. He has we understand sent back his olympic gold medal, so 2004 or was that 2008, Athens, so that means Ekimov will now get a 3rd gold medal.


Umm, how many things wrong with that. He echos armstrongs pathetic "congrats ekimov" tweet, but makes absolutely no mention about the accusations.

These two jumped the shark long ago.

 

[Cobblestoned]

Will we see some tears in the 60minutes show ?
The Telekom guys at least delivered some tears and all that.

Come on USA

 

[blackcat]

Will we see some tears in the 60minutes show ?
The Telekom guys at least delivered some tears and all that.

Come on USA

folks, Jonker is a DS for Livestrong and for the USA development espoirs.

if that aint compromised, what the heck is?

 

[thehog]

These two jumped the shark long ago.

Finally today Eurosport acknowledged that it's looking. Very much like Lance doped. More surprising was Dave Harmon & Sean Kelly both agreed that's this is "big". More so than any other rider because Armstrong used the "cleanliness" card to build his image along with his organisation - and that's stinks from Armstrong.

This is a major sea change from two guys who have never said a bad word on Armstrong.

 

[webvan]

Better late than never.

"cleanliness", yes, but even worse, the "I would never dope because I almost died of cancer", which was a myth in itseld since testicular cancers, even metastatic ones, have an excellent full recovery rate.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

I have a question does Hamilton talk much about his CSC days under Mr 60% when he was a Fuentes client? This would shine a light on a contemporary boil on the **** of the peloton

 

[Benotti69]

I have a question does Hamilton talk much about his CSC days under Mr 60% when he was a Fuentes client? This would shine a light on a contemporary boil on the **** of the peloton

Can you imagine a cycling journalist thinking that?

Nah neither can I!

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Can you imagine a cycling journalist thinking that?

Nah neither can I!

The media is in full on 'don't connect the dots' mode. Must sweep everything else under the carpet - no linking to Riis, to Och etc, it was just a few rogue bad apples at USP.

 

[thehog]

Viatcheslav Ekimov could find himself with a gold medal following startling admissions by Tyler Hamilton that he doped to win the 2004 Olympic time trial championship.

Hamilton said he has notified the IOC about returning his gold medal, but it remains unclear if silver medalist Ekimov will receive the gold medal.

Speaking to Norwegian TV2 before the start of Saturday’s stage at the Giro d’Italia, where Ekimov is working as a sport director for RadioShack, Ekimov said he doesn’t know what’s going to happen.

“My life isn’t going to change with getting the medal,” Ekimov told TV2.

Ekimov also called Hamilton’s allegations that he saw Lance Armstrong dope as “crazy.”

“Allegations? I cannot comment on that. This is just speaking. I find it crazy,” Ekimov said. “These guys, for some reason, get lost. How can you trust people who get lost? I cannot trust what they say. I have no idea why they do that. … Every day there are some reports. I don’t read the reports. I am sick of it.”

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/05/news/ekimov-reacts-to-hamilton-statements_175067

 

[Mambo95]

I have a question does Hamilton talk much about his CSC days under Mr 60% when he was a Fuentes client? This would shine a light on a contemporary boil on the **** of the peloton

He got caught in 2004. That's in no way contemporary in the fast moving world of cycling doping.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Unless you missed it - his team boss at CSC is the same guy who is now in charge of the guy who is in Pink at the Giro.

So I'd be very interested to know what Hamilton has to say about his time under Riis. I can't imagine that Riis has had a Pauline conversion and is fuelling Dertie Cont on bread and water.

Try to compartmentalise doping into just a 'USP' issue is pointless. We might as well say, well don't tell us anything about Hog etc because it was a long time ago.