Tyler Hamilton confessions/accusations

[the delgados]

I don't mean to derail this thread, but I found the following opinion interesting. It was in the comments section of the interview with Tyler's lawyer that was posted by VeloGirl.

" I think it should be a REQUIREMENT that all pro athletes use performance enhancing substances. They can opt out (but of course none will). We expect our athletes to be super-human monsters but then we ruin their lives and careers when they give us what we want ? "

I know this is an unpopular opinion in these here parts, but I agree with the sentiment.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Total BS. How´bout your job? Either cheat or get out of it?

I thought i doesn´t get any lower than being a fanboy and saying "everybody did it, so Lance is still my hero". But VeloGirl tops it.

"We" don´t ask for super-human performances. the athletes do it for more money.
Make a poll: 80% would say i don´t care if a rider needs 1 more hour to finish a stage clean, or a sprinter runs above 9.9 or a pitcher throws only 89 mph. The attendance is interested in fair competition.

 

[D-Queued]

Interesting read from Tyler's lawyer...


"Have you interacted much with lawyers representing any of the other cyclists that have been linked to the investigation?

I have heard from Lance's lawyers from the very beginning. Before Tyler testified to the grand jury, Lance's lawyers...wanted to enter into a joint defense agreement. I told them, "I don't think my guy is a defendant."

Now we know where Fabiani got that line from. Odd how it doesn't seem to be working for him, though.

Dave.

 

[the delgados]

The sentiments were expressed by me, not VeloGirl.

 

[The Hitch]

btw ive never checked LA's twitter until now but as i was looking through all the condolences to Xavi on twitter, i looked at LA's and there was just 1 tweet today about livestrong.

Isnt this guy usually tweeting all the time? Would have thought he would have mentioned something about it.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Then i say sorry to VeloGirl, of course.

 

[VeloGirl]

Then i say sorry to VeloGirl, of course.

I posted the link to the article, not the comment referenced. Apology accepted :0)

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

I posted the link to the article, not the comment referenced. Apology accepted :0)

An interesting article it was too, thanks.

"I have heard from Lance's lawyers from the very beginning. Before Tyler testified to the grand jury, Lance's lawyers...wanted to enter into a joint defense agreement."

That is exactly what one would expect from the lawyer of someone with with nothing to worry about and nothing to hide.

 

[Merckx index]

Actually, Tyler's lawyer was misquoted:

I have heard from Lance's lawyers from the very beginning. Before Tyler testified to the grand jury, Lance's lawyers...wanted to enter into a joint defense agreement. I told them, "I'm flattered by your interest, Mark, and I'm glad you agree with me that Tyler would make a credible witness."

 

[Granville57]

Interesting read from Tyler's lawyer...

Thanks for that link. But, uh...did anyone notice this?

I was corporate counsel to the denim company Rock & Republic, which was owned by Michael Ball, and I was like Michael's consigliere for all purposes.

That doesn't exactly inspire confidence in me.
Ball was supposedly at the very tip of the doping angle on this investigation and Floyd wore a wire for the feds in the effort to implicate him. Ball's reputation is not all that flattering. And Tyler's lawyer is throwing that association around as...what, exactly? The denim company filed for bankruptcy in 2010; the cycling team lost their pro license; Ball is under the microscope of the feds...

"Consigliere?"

Tyler couldn't have found anyone outside the loop to represent him?!?!? This doesn't sound good to me.

 

[Fausto's Schnauzer]

Thanks for that link. But, uh...did anyone notice this?


That doesn't exactly inspire confidence in me.
Ball was supposedly at the very tip of the doping angle on this investigation and Floyd wore a wire for the feds in the effort to implicate him. Ball's reputation is not all that flattering. And Tyler's lawyer is throwing that association around as...what, exactly? The denim company filed for bankruptcy in 2010; the cycling team lost their pro license; Ball is under the microscope of the feds...

"Consigliere?"

Tyler couldn't have found anyone outside the loop to represent him?!?!? This doesn't sound good to me.

Which in the case of Motorola/Postal/Astana/Radio Shack, the words of Virgil "The Turk" Sollozzo ring especially true, "I'm a business man. Blood is a big expense." What with extracting it, storing it, transporting it; disposing of the bags, tubes, needles, making "donations" to appropriate agencies....

 

[forumlurker]

btw ive never checked LA's twitter until now but as i was looking through all the condolences to Xavi on twitter, i looked at LA's and there was just 1 tweet today about livestrong.

Isnt this guy usually tweeting all the time? Would have thought he would have mentioned something about it.

maybe he is stting his pants and about to crack and confess. or so i hope. here, let me try to twitter for him:

@the_hitch: ssdd

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Joint Defense Agreement Proposal!!

Now that's a shot by Hamilton's attorney to Armstrong's solar plexus. I loved the attorney's response to Armstrong's counsel, "I don't think my guy is a defendant." ROTFL!!!

Haven't seen it reported yet in mainstraem media. Anyone seen it elsewhere than here?

 

[HL2037]

"I don't think my guy is a defendant." ROTFL!!!

I laughed at that too!

Now why would they want a joint defence with someone so unreliable and who is just out to sell books?

 

[Grand Tourist]

Now that's a shot by Hamilton's attorney to Armstrong's solar plexus. I loved the attorney's response to Armstrong's counsel, "I don't think my guy is a defendant." ROTFL!!!

Haven't seen it reported yet in mainstraem media. Anyone seen it elsewhere than here?

There's an interview with Hamiltons brief in something called the AM Law Daily.

Bizarre request from Armstrong's legal team & probably a cack handed (I think Fabiani is doing a poor job BTW) attempt to assertain what Hamilton's intentions were rather than anything serious.

Didn't Armstrong have 'relations' with Hamilton's wife? Or am I imagining things? For that reason alone I'd have stayed well away from Hamilton if I were in Armstrong's shoes.

 

[East Sycamore]

Question for Tyler H.

I always liked Tyler as a rider, but lost faith as he continued denying any sort of doping before coming clean on 60 minutes.

One thing I've always wondered, and wish had been asked: Tyler was ultimately busted for a homologous blood transfusion - boosting his own blood with blood from somebody else. Why would he use someone else's blood when re-injecting his own was (and still basically is) undetectable? Was it late in the season and he had run out of his stash withdrawn over the winter? Was he desperate for a result after withdrawing from the tour earlier that year?

Using somebody else's blood just seems way more risky that using your own - for pretty much the exact same benefit.

 

[just some guy]

I always liked Tyler as a rider, but lost faith as he continued denying any sort of doping before coming clean on 60 minutes.

One thing I've always wondered, and wish had been asked: Tyler was ultimately busted for a homologous blood transfusion - boosting his own blood with blood from somebody else. Why would he use someone else's blood when re-injecting his own was (and still basically is) undetectable? Was it late in the season and he had run out of his stash withdrawn over the winter? Was he desperate for a result after withdrawing from the tour earlier that year?

Using somebody else's blood just seems way more risky that using your own - for pretty much the exact same benefit.

I don´t think has been found out yet, but maybe a better question was who´s blood did he use.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I always liked Tyler as a rider, but lost faith as he continued denying any sort of doping before coming clean on 60 minutes.

One thing I've always wondered, and wish had been asked: Tyler was ultimately busted for a homologous blood transfusion - boosting his own blood with blood from somebody else. Why would he use someone else's blood when re-injecting his own was (and still basically is) undetectable? Was it late in the season and he had run out of his stash withdrawn over the winter? Was he desperate for a result after withdrawing from the tour earlier that year?

Using somebody else's blood just seems way more risky that using your own - for pretty much the exact same benefit.

One of the reasons is that Tyler was the first rider to get caught for the new homologous blood doping test - up until then it was undetectable.

 

[nevada]

I don´t think has been found out yet, but maybe a better question was who´s blood did he use.

Tugboats...

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

Armstrong Attys. Suggest Joint Defense with Tyler

Here's an interesting CN article that discusses some of the LA attorney's tactics (e.g. trying to lure Tyler to their side... for obvious reasons)

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrong-attorneys-said-to-have-suggested-joint-defence-with-hamilton

One thought that crossed my mind as I read this is that Hamilton's laywer(s) seem to be smarter than LA's... especially the quote where Tyler's attorney (Manderson) told LA's attorneys regarding a possible joint defense, "I don't think my guy is a defendant". Good move by Manderson.

Also, I gotta give Rock Racing head Mike Ball kudos for helping Tyler.

 

[MarkvW]

Which in the case of Motorola/Postal/Astana/Radio Shack, the words of Virgil "The Turk" Sollozzo ring especially true, "I'm a business man. Blood is a big expense." What with extracting it, storing it, transporting it; disposing of the bags, tubes, needles, making "donations" to appropriate agencies....

Michael Ball may have been a target of the GJ. Tyler is a federal witness. Potentially, Tyler could be testifying against Michael. Tyler's lawyer was 'consigliere' for Michael.

Potential conflict of interest, anyone?

 

[zigmeister]

Here's an interesting CN article that discusses some of the LA attorney's tactics (e.g. trying to lure Tyler to their side... for obvious reasons)

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrong-attorneys-said-to-have-suggested-joint-defence-with-hamilton

One thought that crossed my mind as I read this is that Hamilton's laywer(s) seem to be smarter than LA's... especially the quote where Tyler's attorney (Manderson) told LA's attorneys regarding a possible joint defense, "I don't think my guy is a defendant". Good move by Manderson.

Also, I gotta give Rock Racing head Mike Ball kudos for helping Tyler.

Tyler's attorney implies in his interviews that he was the only person at the time whose name was publicly out there representing a cyclist. Hence, he was contacted apparently by many people. That included Armstrong's attorney. But, his attorney fails to finger anybody else, just Armstrong.

Quote from Tyler's attorney:

“Yes, I was contacted by attorneys representing Lance Armstrong,” Manderson said. “Keep in mind that everyone was being subpoenaed to appear before the grand jury, and it was public information that I was Tyler Hamilton’s lawyer.”

Federal authorities had offered Hamilton limited immunity from prosecution in exchange for his testimony, a deal that would be negated were he to be shown to have lied before the grand jury. Manderson said that at that point, there was little incentive to coordinate a “defense” with Armstrong’s legal team."

Of course he wouldn't work with any other attorney and say his client isn't being accused/targeted..because he had already struck a plea deal for immunity!! Duh.

Also, his attorney fails to mention, (because he was never asked), if any other attorney representing a cyclist/person, or a cyclist had contacted him. Doesn't mean other people didn't talk to his attorney wanting information to band together. Convenient how much info is left out and not answered, because it is never asked.

 

[powerste]

Tyler's attorney implies in his interviews that he was the only person at the time whose name was publicly out there representing a cyclist. Hence, he was contacted apparently by many people. That included Armstrong's attorney. But, his attorney fails to finger anybody else, just Armstrong.

Quote from Tyler's attorney:

“Yes, I was contacted by attorneys representing Lance Armstrong,” Manderson said. “Keep in mind that everyone was being subpoenaed to appear before the grand jury, and it was public information that I was Tyler Hamilton’s lawyer.”

Federal authorities had offered Hamilton limited immunity from prosecution in exchange for his testimony, a deal that would be negated were he to be shown to have lied before the grand jury. Manderson said that at that point, there was little incentive to coordinate a “defense” with Armstrong’s legal team."

Of course he wouldn't work with any other attorney and say his client isn't being accused/targeted..because he had already struck a plea deal for immunity!! Duh.

Also, his attorney fails to mention, (because he was never asked), if any other attorney representing a cyclist/person, or a cyclist had contacted him. Doesn't mean other people didn't talk to his attorney wanting information to band together. Convenient how much info is left out and not answered, because it is never asked.

Easy there Stretch Armstrong (no LA pun intended)...

Manderson says:
- My representation of Tyler is public knowledge
- LA's attorneys contacted me

He doesn't imply at all that other witnesses' attorneys contacted him. Nor does he suggest that other riders didn't have publicly-identified attorneys. YOU imply that but neither the CN article nor the source interview do. Nice stretching there.

 

[Boeing]

My only thought on his interview is that Tyler could have gone deeper into his reasoning as to why he lied in 04 and how that affected him.

I look forward to the book and offer a title suggestion

It's All About the Bike!

 

[MacRoadie]

He doesn't imply at all that other witnesses' attorneys contacted him. Nor does he suggest that other riders didn't have publicly-identified attorneys. YOU imply that but neither the CN article nor the source interview do. Nice stretching there.

You mean like the other guy mentioned in the 60 Minutes segment?

American cyclist George Hincapie may speak to doping investigators

Zia F. Modabber, Hincapie's attorney, confirmed to the newspaper that he had spoken with Novitzky but shared no details.