Tyler's Book

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I love how Matt Lauer doesn't even mention that Lance has been stripped of his TDF victories and that there is whole excrement-storm of evidence against Lance coming to light at the same time Tyler is making these claims. It would be like interviewing a meteorologist about hurricanes during the week Katrina was going on and not mentioning it or brining it up.

Makes me wonder how well the media covers topic I don't know about...
 
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Glenn_Wilson said:
Well the Emperor of Japan comment could have stayed out of it. Just saying. I have no idea where you can dig up a link for the Emperor bestowing peace on the world but please I would like to read up on that.
Maybe I was a little off, but the point remains the same. From the Emperor's message to end the war.
"However, it is according to the dictates of time and fate that We have resolved to pave the way for a grand peace for all the generations to come by enduring the unendurable and suffering what is unsufferable."
 
Hamilton’s book anticipated in la Gazzetta dello Sport article:
“His gardener brought us EPO and Ferrari was God”
Hamilton, ex gregario, tells about Armstrong’s doping: “He didn’t tolerate who rebelled.”
By Massimo Lopez Pegna
New York


Two years of work and 60 interviews with Tyler Hamilton: The Secret Race, co-authored by Daniel Coyle, author also of Lance Armstrong’s War, which hits the book stores today in the USA, is a 287 long page confession. It’s difficult not to believe him, given that it’s a so well detailed recount given by the ex-teammate of Armstrong at US Postal between 1998-2001. In it Hamilton explains how doping in cycling was systematic and certainly not left in the hands of individuals. Now, he says, “I fell liberated and at peace with myself, after years of depression and feeling guilty.”

“The initiation”

“It took me 1000 days, nearly three years, to do doping for the first time. I had seen how the white bags were hung to the wall, but only the strongest riders used them like Hincapie and Ekimov. And when I understood what it meant to race on “bread and water” (cycling jargon for clean) alone, it was even difficult for me to just keep pace with the group. I was desperate , without energy. Doctor Pedro Celaya gave me my first red pill: testosterone. ‘This isn’t doping, it’s for your health,’ he said. I’m not proud of that decision, a could have refused and gone back to finish university. But I didn’t do that. You know that you are breaking the rules, but you’re are convinced it’s not cheating, because everybody’s doing it. That red pill was like getting a promotion. A bit later I was given my first dose of EPO. It was the sign that I was going to ride the Tour de France.”

“Edgar, that is EPO”

“It was 98 when Lance and I began a relationship of trust, to the point where we discussed how much EPO we used and how often. We invented code words to say it: we liked Edgar, for Edgar Allen Poe. Lance was obsessed with a suspicion that other teams were using more advanced methods. He became paranoid when he found out in 2001 that Ullrich went to South Africa, where there had been invented a new synthetic blood: Hemopure.”
 

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Race Radio said:
In his book he writes about taking a lie detector test back when he was lying.....and passed it :eek:

he stated it as a hypothetical, "I've always said you could have hooked us up..." who knows if he could have passed one. Personally, I doubt he would be any different from most people and would have shown peripheral responses.
 
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mastersracer said:
he stated it as a hypothetical, "I've always said you could have hooked us up..." who knows if he could have passed one. Personally, I doubt he would be any different from most people and would have shown peripheral responses.

Tyler does say that, but later in the book he talks about actually taking a lie detector test, while trying to clear his name:

"I even took a lie-detector test to help prove my innocence, and passed. (Though, just before taking it, we Googled a few tips for beating the test. Clenching your buttocks, I remember, was one.)"
 

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Tyler does say that, but later in the book he talks about actually taking a lie detector test, while trying to clear his name:

"I even took a lie-detector test to help prove my innocence, and passed. (Though, just before taking it, we Googled a few tips for beating the test. Clenching your buttocks, I remember, was one.)"

thanks - haven't read that far yet. Just at the part where LA chases down and beats up a driver who yelled something at him as he drove past him!
 
rhubroma said:
“He hated Pantani”

“Lance loved logic and to calculate, Pantani raced with passion and instinct and he, Lance, hated Pantani’s way of racing. When the Italian went on a wild break at the beginning of the Courchevel-Morzine stage at the 2000 Tour, climb after climb he seemed unreachable. Lance started to panic. During the race he had the team car call Ferrari to ask him where Pantani would arrive and the Italian doctor reassured him: at that speed, he said, Pantani would implode on the last climb. And that’s just what happened.”
That was also a stage where Armstrong supposedly bonked. Is that what really happened?

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/results/2000/jul00/tdfrance00/stages/tdfrance00st16r.shtml
 
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rhubroma said:
“Cecchini never doped me”

“Cecco (the medic Luigi Cecchini) always advised me not to dope. He never gave me anything, not even an asprin. He told me to watch out for Fuentes and told me to concentrate on my training program.

Guess this surprises alot of ppl in here
 
15th on the Amazon US best sellers list (note that Fifty Shades of Grey occupies 4 of the top 15 places)

Looks like there is a fair amount of interest, this will be good as the general public will become better informed.

There seems to be a lot of Lance the bully stories. Everyone who knows him has many of them.
 
BroDeal said:
The Cecchini bit is interesting. I always assumed that he was the alternative to Ferrari for those Tour contenders that Ferrari would not work with because of the Armstrong exclusivity contract.

Riis said the same about Cecchini when he confessed in 07. That he never recieved doping from him and that he asked Riis to be careful.
 
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DoJ

I was surprised to read that he was interviewed by the Department of Justice in regards to the whistle -blower suit. Does that mean the government has joined?
 
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BroDeal said:
The Cecchini bit is interesting. I always assumed that he was the alternative to Ferrari for those Tour contenders that Ferrari would not work with because of the Armstrong exclusivity contract.

Jaksche also said Cecchini had nothing to do with doping.
 
Read the first 3 chapters last night.

The most interesting anecdote for me so far was from Andy Hampsten. Just a season or two removed from winning his Giro Andy was climbing with the same power output at the same weight, and suddenly fat guys were riding right next to him and chatting while he was going hard just to hang in the group. And he would get shelled out of the climbing group only half way up the finishing climbs by 20+ guys, all guys he used to smoke, and again at the exact same power output and weight (he used an SRM I assume).

If anyone still doubts I hope this illustrates just how much the blood doping era changed the sport. Really we can never know who were the "true" champions of the era because the drugs mess up the results so much. Hampsten is another "true" champion of the era who had his career shortened and victories stolen from him by dopers. But he was lucky enough to get his licks in for several years before EPO destroyed the sport.
 
Another interesting anecdote was the pyschology the drug pushers within the teams used on the riders.

Hamilton writes of the time he first chose to dope and it is almost as if he was seduced into doing it by Pedro Celaya who comes off like street corner drug pusher. Celaya told him while offering a red Testosterone pill: "This is not doping Tyler - this is just for your health. Your body needs this. You are tired - this is only to help you recover. It is not healthy for you to be racing as tired as you are. You NEED this."

Glad Celaya has a lifetime ban.
 
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Just watched the ESPN segment with Tyler. Makes me more confident Lance isn't going to wriggle out of this.

They defined 2 options for the public
1) He doped - period.
2) If you want to support him because of his work with cancer, that's OK - but he still doped.

Its not helped by the fact Tyler looks stoned but you can't win them all.
 
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For those who have read the book (I haven't yet), does TH explain how he managed to get popped, what was it, three times? despite the tests being so easy to beat? And does he explain why he chose to dope with someone else's blood, despite this being, I would think, a pretty good way to get popped?
 
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He maintains it was his own blood. Never offers up anything else,except possibly dodgy handling by Fuentes.