U23 races and talents

[postmanhat]

Incoming Bufalo Segaert hypetrain?
Jokes aside, Segart has a huge engine and was already in the breakaway of that final L' avenir mountain stage that Milesi won, before winning the Piccolo Giro di Lombardia later.
Didn't expect German Gomez to be up there and Pinzon to be so bad, the opposite of what I expected.

Martinelli is legit, a shame that Pellizzari was sick and had to drop out of the race and that De Cassan isn't racing this one.

Ticket bought. Really impressive climbing performances for someone weighing that much. Morgado and Busatto with surprisingly bad results for me. Martinelli caught my eye in the February Spanish races, but doesn't seem to have done too much in stage races since? Hopefully he can maintain this level.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Ticket bought. Really impressive climbing performances for someone weighing that much. Morgado and Busatto with surprisingly bad results for me. Martinelli caught my eye in the February Spanish races, but doesn't seem to have done too much in stage races since? Hopefully he can maintain this level.

Martinelli beat Messner, De Cassan and his teammate Pellizzari in the final short MTT in the Carpathian Couriers Race last year, where he did just over 7W/KG for a bit over 8min. At this stage they probably should send him to slightly bigger stage races. His recovery is still a bit of an unknown to me, no idea how good it is.

 

[nunob]

Ticket bought. Really impressive climbing performances for someone weighing that much. Morgado and Busatto with surprisingly bad results for me. Martinelli caught my eye in the February Spanish races, but doesn't seem to have done too much in stage races since? Hopefully he can maintain this level.

Mustache Morgado is here as a domestique, He said it before the race, mostly because he stopped for a month due to injury.

 

[Samamba]

24 riders disqualified cause they hold onto a car on the Stelvio lmao

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Sad day for the espoir side of the sport. Think DQs are pretty mild for this kind of industrial-scale cheating tbh. Yes, a lot of the people who got caught are relative minnows who aren't good enough for this race and are only there because they're Italian, but there's also a couple of bigger names from bigger teams who don't even have that excuse.

The list of shame:
12 AGNOLETTO Blake, UCI ID 10086775675 (ARA)
22 BREGOLI Riccardo, UCI ID 10029342480 (ASD G.C. SISSIO TEAM)
23 FRANZOSI Luca, UCI ID 10028900829 (ASD G.C. SISSIO TEAM)
24 GAZZOLA Giovanni, UCI ID 10032579452 (ASD G.C. SISSIO TEAM)
25 MAROCCHI Tommaso, UCI ID 10034757104 (ASD G.C. SISSIO TEAM)
43 FREDDI Matteo, UCI ID 10030940455 (BTC)
72 DI SILVESTRO Jacopo, UCI ID 10030379067 (CICLISTICA ROSTESE)
73 FERRARI Pietro, UCI ID 10030249836 (CICLISTICA ROSTESE)
74 GHIRARDI Lorenzo, UCI ID 10030472633 (CICLISTICA ROSTESE)
102 RAGILO Frank Aron, UCI ID 10064429808 (DDS)
125 PEZZO ROSOLA Kevin, UCI ID 10048237777 (GEF)
143 HOBBS Alfred Bruce Noah, UCI ID 10081552631 (CGF)
174 MANENTI Marco, UCI ID 10032415562 (HOPPLA'-PETROLI FIRENZE-DON CAMILLO)
201 DE DECKER Tijl, UCI ID 10064946938 (LDD)
211 MAGLI Lorenzo, UCI ID 10030242257 (MASTROMARCO SENSI FC NIBALI)
215 VENTURINI Alessandro, UCI ID 10030093020 (MASTROMARCO SENSI FC NIBALI)
221 PORTELLO Alessio, UCI ID 10030357546 (Q3C)
251 GUDNITZ Joshua Amos, UCI ID 10036454196 (TCQ)
252 NIELSEN Lorents Magnus, UCI ID 10057175117 (TCQ)
275 PERANI Riccardo, UCI ID 10030487787 (TEAM INTERREGIONALE)
282 COLLINELLI Luca, UCI ID 10030059876 (TER)
284 MONTEFIORI Matteo, UCI ID 10030620759 (TER)
285 UMBRI Gidas, UCI ID 10030129493 (TER)
293 EVERTSEN-HEGREBERG Simen, UCI ID 10019496374 (TIR)

And the DSs, who, in a better world, would have been suspended on the spot:
WILSON Matthew, UCI ID 10002063858 (ARA)
TOFFALI Marco, UCI ID 10001032628 (ASD G.C. SISSIO TEAM)
DAMILANO Giuseppe, UCI ID 10035603731 (CICLISTICA ROSTESE)
DAL CANTO Dario, UCI ID 10080092779 (MASTROMARCO SENSI FC NIBALI)

 

[claude cat]

Totally blantant about it too.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1669146806033301504

View: https://twitter.com/triviumcolombia/status/1669146806033301504?s=20

 

[SafeBet]

Morgado and Busatto with surprisingly bad results for me.

Busatto is not a climber.
I interviewed him a couple of months ago and he told me after 15 minutes of climbing at a high pace he starts to suffer.
He's a fast guy who can handle hills.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Sad day for the espoir side of the sport. Think DQs are pretty mild for this kind of industrial-scale cheating tbh. Yes, a lot of the people who got caught are relative minnows who aren't good enough for this race and are only there because they're Italian, but there's also a couple of bigger names from bigger teams who don't even have that excuse.

The list of shame:
12 AGNOLETTO Blake, UCI ID 10086775675 (ARA)
22 BREGOLI Riccardo, UCI ID 10029342480 (ASD G.C. SISSIO TEAM)
23 FRANZOSI Luca, UCI ID 10028900829 (ASD G.C. SISSIO TEAM)
24 GAZZOLA Giovanni, UCI ID 10032579452 (ASD G.C. SISSIO TEAM)
25 MAROCCHI Tommaso, UCI ID 10034757104 (ASD G.C. SISSIO TEAM)
43 FREDDI Matteo, UCI ID 10030940455 (BTC)
72 DI SILVESTRO Jacopo, UCI ID 10030379067 (CICLISTICA ROSTESE)
73 FERRARI Pietro, UCI ID 10030249836 (CICLISTICA ROSTESE)
74 GHIRARDI Lorenzo, UCI ID 10030472633 (CICLISTICA ROSTESE)
102 RAGILO Frank Aron, UCI ID 10064429808 (DDS)
125 PEZZO ROSOLA Kevin, UCI ID 10048237777 (GEF)
143 HOBBS Alfred Bruce Noah, UCI ID 10081552631 (CGF)
174 MANENTI Marco, UCI ID 10032415562 (HOPPLA'-PETROLI FIRENZE-DON CAMILLO)
201 DE DECKER Tijl, UCI ID 10064946938 (LDD)
211 MAGLI Lorenzo, UCI ID 10030242257 (MASTROMARCO SENSI FC NIBALI)
215 VENTURINI Alessandro, UCI ID 10030093020 (MASTROMARCO SENSI FC NIBALI)
221 PORTELLO Alessio, UCI ID 10030357546 (Q3C)
251 GUDNITZ Joshua Amos, UCI ID 10036454196 (TCQ)
252 NIELSEN Lorents Magnus, UCI ID 10057175117 (TCQ)
275 PERANI Riccardo, UCI ID 10030487787 (TEAM INTERREGIONALE)
282 COLLINELLI Luca, UCI ID 10030059876 (TER)
284 MONTEFIORI Matteo, UCI ID 10030620759 (TER)
285 UMBRI Gidas, UCI ID 10030129493 (TER)
293 EVERTSEN-HEGREBERG Simen, UCI ID 10019496374 (TIR)

And the DSs, who, in a better world, would have been suspended on the spot:
WILSON Matthew, UCI ID 10002063858 (ARA)
TOFFALI Marco, UCI ID 10001032628 (ASD G.C. SISSIO TEAM)
DAMILANO Giuseppe, UCI ID 10035603731 (CICLISTICA ROSTESE)
DAL CANTO Dario, UCI ID 10080092779 (MASTROMARCO SENSI FC NIBALI)

Kinda funny that Nibali's u23 team is involved in this kind of incident.

But why and how? The stage was really easy and short until the Stelvio. I'm also pretty sure that the organizers might have been not that severe about the time limit if it was a problem for so many riders?

 

[Unterlenkerfahrend]

Surely there's some context missing? I've seen these videos floating around and they could not have been that dumb to think no one would see them? And in the video above two are holding onto an official race motor, like wtf?

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Disgusting.
I hope none of them ever makes it to the pro ranks.

 

[Rob5091]

Old fashioned motor doping - even with "help" they all came in over 24 minutes down. It used to be normal for the organizers to turn a blind eye to it (unless it was a GC guy like Nibali) but these days of social media and everyman and his dog with a camera on his phone means it becomes embarrassing for the organizers not to do something.
Should they just have been fined or penalized some other way? Maybe.

 

[Aimar16]

One of these guys will win the Tour with a british team in the future...

 

[Samamba]

Disgusting.
I hope none of them ever makes it to the pro ranks.

Calm down dude. You're acting like they hurt someone doing this. Probably some riders started it, seemed to get away with it (from what I hear some race organizers weren't doing anything about it at first), so others joined in. Don't get why everyone is freaking out.

But why and how? The stage was really easy and short until the Stelvio. I'm also pretty sure that the organizers might have been not that severe about the time limit if it was a problem for so many riders?

Definitely nothing to do with the time limit for most, just seeing others doing it and joining in or just wanting to have an easy race and not caring. This happens a lot in lower rank races. Most of the time people don't care at all. The only reason they were DQ'ed is because some video's were popping up.

 

[Samamba]

So apparently 20 others DSQ too? If it isn't obvious now that most of them just did it cause they saw everyone else doing it and getting away with it...

 

[SafeBet]

So apparently 20 others DSQ too? If it isn't obvious now that most of them just did it cause they saw everyone else doing it and getting away with it...

One DS told a cycling website he had more videos and that since his riders and his car were disqualified other had to pay too.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

'Only' 7 more riders have been DSQd:

NICOLA ROSSI (BELTRAMI TSA)
FILIPPO AGOSTINACCHIO (BELTRAMI TSA)
LORENZO PESCHI (GENERAL STORE)
ARTEM SCHMIDT (HAGENS BERMAN AXEON)
DAVIDE PERSICO (COLPACK BALLAN)
STEFANO MASONI (TEAM TECHNIPES)
AIVARAS MIKUTIS (TUDOR)

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Calm down dude. You're acting like they hurt someone doing this.

They are hurting the integrity of the sport. For me that is important.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Children make mistakes, slap on the wrist is fine

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

They are not children. They are not even juniors.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

The boss of the Italian cycling federation is not happy:

What we have seen are images that hurt a lot. It is right to apply the rules, and I am especially sorry for the behavior of the sports directors in the team car, because they must be the first to teach young people how to respect the rules. I had asked RCS Sport to invite at least half of Italian teams (17 out of 35, ed): at this point, given the behavior of our formations and our riders, I no longer feel comfortable recommending them to be invited in the future. I leave the managers of RCS Sport free to invite the teams at their discretion.

 

[Aimar16]

They are hurting the integrity of the sport.

I think that ship has sailed. In 2010 the guy did the same thing in the Giro and three years later he won the biggest race ...

 

[Samamba]

They are hurting the integrity of the sport. For me that is important.

So do a lot of other riders but then nobody seems to care. Atleast 20% (probably even more) WT cyclists have done this stuff in their career atleast once. This happens all the time, no one actually cares till there's some viral videos online. These riders did something they shouldn't have done, but also something that just happens a lot and you want their careers to be ruined. Like you have never done anything remotely wrong in your life.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

It’s hard to get angry about something you don’t see and therefore you don’t know it happens.
That doesn’t mean no one cares. It means they don’t know.

 

[theyoungest]

Calm down dude. You're acting like they hurt someone doing this. Probably some riders started it, seemed to get away with it (from what I hear some race organizers weren't doing anything about it at first), so others joined in. Don't get why everyone is freaking out.

You could say the same about most clinic-related issues. It isn't a huge crime in the grand scheme of things, but it's cheating. And maybe holding on to a car for a large part of a climb is actually worse than a lot of doping offenses.

 

[Rob5091]

They are hurting the integrity of the sport. For me that is important.

You do know this is pro-cycling we're talking about? Before mobile phones with cameras, nobody would know or care as it does not effect the top GC standings. Every top pro has at least once done it on a bad day.