UAE Tour 2022, February 20 - February 26

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Yes, it's the riders fault to choose their employers, as in any job. When you are in the job market, you don't mind going to ethically dubious employers or with a questionable track record in their relation with society/environment/working or human rights? It's a factor involved in job choosing. Some people pay more relevance to that, others don't. For the ones who choose to go ahead, they need to be aware of the risk they carry if something goes bad.

And to be clear, the riders don't have any fault in this. But the UCI should have the power to intervene, force the team (which I believe has a strong italian structure already built) to ditch the sponsors if they want to ride. Isn't that what was done with Unibet.com for less important reasons?

Or in F1, when tobacco or alcohol brands are prohibited from showing their brands in some venues.

I agree, nothing against the riders otherwise, but the UCI should take a look if there are any possibilities to take out the sponsor.
 
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And none of that is the riders' fault. You're basically saying these people should be unemployed because of something way out of their control.
But let's say Gazprom-the-company finds themselves unable to fund a cycling team, or UCI says that the sponsor should not be allowed to continue in the sport, but the team is able to find enough funding to still continue, either with a new sponsor, or just under the 'Rusvelo' name. Or the team just decided that riding under the 'Gazprom' name would not be a good idea these days, but of course not having been able to change kit overnight. Would that be okay? Would they need to transfer their license to another nationality?

Again; I will not hold the situation in Ukraine against a 19-year-old Czech guy! I won't even hold it against his Russian teammates, because - for all I know - they're against the war too.

Who says anyone is holding it against a Czech guy or Russian cyclists? I for sure am not holding it against those guys.But I still do not like to see them winning in a shirt that is almost provided to them by Russian government funds.
 
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Yes, it's the riders fault to choose their employers, as in any job. When you are in the job market, you don't mind going to ethically dubious employers or with a questionable track record in their relation with society/environment/working or human rights? It's a factor involved in job choosing. Some people pay more relevance to that, others don't. For the ones who choose to go ahead, they need to be aware of the risk they carry if something goes bad.

And to be clear, the riders don't have any fault in this. But the UCI should have the power to intervene, force the team (which I believe has a strong italian structure already built) to ditch the sponsors if they want to ride. Isn't that what was done with Unibet.com for less important reasons?

Or in F1, when tobacco or alcohol brands are prohibited from showing their brands in some venues.

Is Gazprom really the employer of the riders, or just the sponsor?
Can someone at the Gazprom company decide what riders the team signs?

As for UCI intervening; they might still, just a bit short notice.

Who says anyone is holding it against a Czech guy or Russian cyclists? I for sure am not holding it against those guys.But I still do not like to see them winning in a shirt that is almost provided to them by Russian government funds.

They still have to continue wearing the shirt of their team. Or should they have just stayed within the peloton all day, so they wouldn't even potentially win? Though, I guess the break probably weren't expecting to make it to the finish.

But, back to the race; was there a crash? Just noticed that a few of the riders are listed at the end of the stage result, but only with the 15 seconds time-loss of the main peloton.
 
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Yes, it's the riders fault to choose their employers, as in any job. When you are in the job market, you don't mind going to ethically dubious employers or with a questionable track record in their relation with society/environment/working or human rights? It's a factor involved in job choosing. Some people pay more relevance to that, others don't. For the ones who choose to go ahead, they need to be aware of the risk they carry if something goes bad.

And to be clear, the riders don't have any fault in this. But the UCI should have the power to intervene, force the team (which I believe has a strong italian structure already built) to ditch the sponsors if they want to ride. Isn't that what was done with Unibet.com for less important reasons?

Or in F1, when tobacco or alcohol brands are prohibited from showing their brands in some venues.

We can't blame the riders only the UCI. And to be fair the UCI are not fortune tellers who knew what would unfold by 2021 when Gazprom was founded in late 2011. But I do agree they should have the power to intervene.
 
Bold prediction:
Yates and Vlasov will drop Pogi tomorrow.

If Vlasov wins will we have a similar debate tomorrow?

I rarely listen to talk radio phone-ins but on UK state radio today callers seemed buoyed by the Champions League final being taken way from Russia and were then calling for all Russian teams to be thrown out of international competition and by the end people were calling for all Russians to be banned from all sports.
 
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If Vlasov wins will we have a similar debate tomorrow?

I rarely listen to talk radio phone-ins but on UK state radio today callers seemed buoyed by the Champions League final being taken way from Russia and were then calling for all Russian teams to be thrown out of international competition and by the end people were calling for all Russians to be banned from all sports.

As long as Vlasov doesn't support his government there's no reason to not wish him the best.
 
Just watched the stage, great win for Vacek who I can see on a world tour team very soon. However a team bankrolled by an evil regime has no place in sport and I hope this race is the last we'll see of this team. I feel for their riders and staff, who obviously are blameless, but I also feel for the millions currently having their lives torn apart.
 
so do you guys want the Israel team to fold too? is it disgraceful when they win a race? none of what's going on has anything to do with the riders or the team, leave them alone. it's really sickening to see stuff like this on this forum and especially from Carlton Kirby on commentary today.

If Carlton manages to finally cancel himself at least there'll be a very thin silver lining
 
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If Vlasov wins will we have a similar debate tomorrow?

I rarely listen to talk radio phone-ins but on UK state radio today callers seemed buoyed by the Champions League final being taken way from Russia and were then calling for all Russian teams to be thrown out of international competition and by the end people were calling for all Russians to be banned from all sports.
It's sad how now all the Russians are being portrayed as villains in western media, while the governments of all NATO countries (mine included, although we are way too small to be taken seriously) are just as guilty for the tense situation in the region (and other regions across the globe). Were we calling for all US sponsored teams to be banned from cycling (sports) competitions after 2003 war on Iraq? If the answer is no, then that's double standards and hypocricy.

I'm anti-war, everywhere and always. Civilians and regular people are always the ones who pay the price. But I'm also of the opinion that the war in Ukraine will end in a couple of days or maximum weeks and with the current operation, a possible war of bigger scale in Europe in the next couple of years is being prevented. Because things are way too complex and what the media tell us is just a fraction of reality.
 
It's sad how now all the Russians are being portrayed as villains in western media, while the governments of all NATO countries (mine included, although we are way too small to be taken seriously) are just as guilty for the tense situation in the region (and other regions across the globe). Were we calling for all US sponsored teams to be banned from cycling (sports) competitions after 2003 war on Iraq? If the answer is no, then that's double standards and hypocricy.

I'm anti-war, everywhere and always. Civilians and regular people are always the ones who pay the price. But I'm also of the opinion that the war in Ukraine will end in a couple of days or maximum weeks and with the current operation, a possible war of bigger scale in Europe in the next couple of years is being prevented. Because things are way too complex and what the media tell us is just a fraction of reality.

WHAT ON EARTH IS THIS ***? I NEVER WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT FROM YOU.

  1. You are obviously living in a propaganda fed world.
  2. I'm highly critical of the US, but to compare this is utter ***.
  3. I'm definitely not at all against all Russians and in the German media it's clearly Putin who is blamed, not the Russians. I feel for every Russian who would like to speak up and doesn't dare to because they will immediately be imprisoned.
  4. Things are not too complex here, and this "operation" is a full scale invasion of a sovereign territory, supported by the autocratic and dictatory countries in the world, blaming the Ukraine to be Nazis when they are the only responsible invaders, lying all around from start to finish.
  5. It's not "tension" in the region. Stop this nonsense like this is a conflict between two equals. It's like when you are talking about a victim of domestic violence and because the victim has made some mistakes in the past you say "it's always two sided, the person is also responsible". Only on a much bigger scale.
  6. Putin is talking about the nuclear power of his country while attacking a state without any other reason than the fantasies of being a modern szar.
7)THIS WAR WILL NOT PREVENT BIGGER THINGS. IT'S AN INCREDIBLE CRIME AND EVERYBODY CAN BE THANKFUL IF THIS IS NOT THE START OF A HUGE WAR, brought to you by Putin and the people who are with him.

I'm usually a measured person, but in the past weeks and even more days my skin has gotten really thin. All those apologists of dictatorships, autocracy, war, torture and inhumanity, people with their whataboutisms of "the US are also bad, so keep quiet", believers of cheap state propaganda right out of the Nazi's playbook and speakers for appeasement which allows these things to go on and become bigger and bigger.

I live in a country soaked with blood and shame, but at least I have learned to see propaganda and to know that democracy and freedom is the only thing worth fighting for.

That's it. I'm deleting my account here.
 
war is bulls--- but this team has zero to do with anything going on in ukraine.
It's sad how now all the Russians are being portrayed as villains in western media, while the governments of all NATO countries (mine included, although we are way too small to be taken seriously) are just as guilty for the tense situation in the region (and other regions across the globe). Were we calling for all US sponsored teams to be banned from cycling (sports) competitions after 2003 war on Iraq? If the answer is no, then that's double standards and hypocricy.

I'm anti-war, everywhere and always. Civilians and regular people are always the ones who pay the price. But I'm also of the opinion that the war in Ukraine will end in a couple of days or maximum weeks and with the current operation, a possible war of bigger scale in Europe in the next couple of years is being prevented. Because things are way too complex and what the media tell us is just a fraction of reality.
yep. NATO countries are just as guilty.
Trudeau trucker smackdown is pretty much what Putin is doing :rolleyes:
 
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If Vlasov wins will we have a similar debate tomorrow?

I rarely listen to talk radio phone-ins but on UK state radio today callers seemed buoyed by the Champions League final being taken way from Russia and were then calling for all Russian teams to be thrown out of international competition and by the end people were calling for all Russians to be banned from all sports.

Vlasov is different to Gazprom. If you do research you will find out why. I have nothing against Russians in general. In fact I think it is good that guys like Medvedev etc. Still have the podium to speak in favor of peace, showing the western world a bit more that many Russians are against war.

For me also a guy like Vacek or even the Russian riders from the same team do not have too suffer. I just don’t like to see that sponsors name winning a race. For all I care they can race their races in a white shirt or a “we support peace” shirt. As long as it is without the name of a mostly State owned Russian company on the name.

Regarding the comparison with Israel. That is a highly interesting debate as well to me. Not sure about my exact stance on this, but my feelings tell me that it might be better to not have countries using a sport sponsorship as a way of increasing their popularity at all. So same would then apply to UAE and Bahrain etc. However, I am not sure about the implications of this as a whole, so might be that I am overlooking things here.

Still my stance is that it was very disappointing to see someone winning in the shirt of a mostly Russian state owned company. Despite the fact that it was nice to see a 19-yo pro winning his first race.
 
For me also a guy like Vacek or even the Russian riders from the same team do not have too suffer. I just don’t like to see that sponsors name winning a race. For all I care they can race their races in a white shirt or a “we support peace” shirt. As long as it is without the name of a mostly State owned Russian company on the name.

And they might still change their shirts. They just couldn't have done it overnight, and I'm not sure I'd have liked the alternative... :grimacing: