UCI appeals Contador decision

[GJB123]

Yeehaa, let's do that discussion all over again for the sake of Terminator.

Are runners, figure skaters, fencers and dare I say it, pong-players, tested as often, to the same standard and for Clen in particular as cyclists? Don't bother, we already know the answer.

And starting all over again about producing the meat isn't really helping this discussion along now, is it? This has been discussed to death and that is not what the defense was all about and it was also discussed why that defense can still work (see the pong-player).

It is all good and well that you are clearly an AC-hater, and it compensates nicely for the AC-fanbois here, nut please, please, don not expect too many people actually seriously entraining your trolling.

Regards
GJ

 

[TERMINATOR]

UCI just has to keep up the appearances on doping. They are obligated to make an appeal. Expect it to come out in Pharmador's favor in June, just before start of Pat's biggest event.

I would be surprised to find out the UCI prevails and Pharmador heads to the penalty box. That would be a very bad day for Pat and Hein.

Contador will lose. You have no idea what you're talking about. But I love how you talk condescendingly to everyone like you're sharing some kind of esoteric insight that anyone in the know clearly sees as absurd.

 

[auscyclefan94]

All I can say is this will get more and more messy. I do agree that I think that Spanish government had to much 'sway' on the case. Politicians of all people sohuld know that they can influence public opinion a certain way which is not right for the case.

 

[hrotha]

You guys don't think the RFEC would have done anything differently if Zapatero didn't have Twitter, right?

 

[spalco]

I share CAS frustration about that. Typical UCI to wait till the last minute. It would have been better for the sport if the case would be decided before the Tour. Honestly, they have known they were gonna appeal for a while already.

It's not that simple, after all there are complicated, scientific questions at stake here and certainly Contador's lawyers brought a mountain of papers and studies etc into evidence. Any lawyer worth anything would use the maximum amount of time allowed for an appeal in a situation like this imo.

 

[GJB123]

Contador will lose. You have no idea what you're talking about. But I love how you talk condescendingly to everyone like you're sharing some kind of esoteric insight that anyone in the know clearly sees as absurd.

I see being completely, obtuse, obnoxious and condescending comes very easily to you. Would it be beneath you to at least try and be civil in your replies?

Regards
GJ

 

[Cimber]

Contador will lose.

If he doesnt I will know who to mock

Anyways, I dont know if he will lose or not, since I am no lawyer and no scientist, but I am glad it ended with CAS, as the final cerdict by CAS will be more widely accepted. I just hope that that verdict will be ready before the Tour.

 

[mysterae]

mysterae

The Spanish federation informed the UCI the no political pressure was put on them to clear Alberto Contador. What right has Pat McQuaid got to accuse them of lying?

 

[spalco]

^^
Are you serious?

 

[Cimber]

Now cyclingnews got the Pat interview:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mcquaid-spanish-poltical-pressure-made-contador-appeal-necessary

I think its interesting as he says that he knows Contador has a strong case but for the sake of the sport the case needs to get a verdict from CAS to avoid further specualtions. So he doesnt really say that he think Contador is guilty. On the contrary in fact. I fint that quite interesting. Reading between the lines its like he says its very likely that Berti will win but that they had to appeal cos of political statements in spain.

 

[hrotha]

I just think Pat got himself one nice fence and several marked decks.

 

[roundabout]

I suspect that it's WADA dragging Fat along kicking and screaming.

 

[Publicus]

I suspect that it's WADA dragging Fat along kicking and screaming.

Why would they need to do that? WADA has an independent right of appeal, they don't need to force the UCI along. McQuaid's comments are illuminating though.

 

[roundabout]

UCI not appealing and WADA acting puts one of the two bodies in a bad light. Maybe you can guess which one.

And it's indeed pretty illuminating that a president of the UCI has to put on an act to appeal an extremely dubious decision exonerating a cheat.

 

[Publicus]

UCI not appealing and WADA acting puts one of the two bodies in a bad light. Maybe you can guess which one.

If the decision not to appeal is principled and based on the facts of the case, I don't think it puts one or the other in a bad light. Does the fact that the UCI is appealing, essentially, for appearances, make it look any better?

 

[roundabout]

The facts of the case as far as i know are sufficient for the appeal. Failing to do that would lead to people questioning the relationship between Contador and the UCI (which is pretty plum obvious).

The fact that UCI appealing when they don't want it shows outside influence which you for some obscure reason decided to overlook just one post ago.

 

[Publicus]

The facts of the case as far as i know are sufficient for the appeal. Failing to do that would lead to people questioning the relationship between Contador and the UCI (which is pretty plum obvious).

The fact that UCI appealing when they don't want it shows outside influence which you for some obscure reason decided to overlook just one post ago.

I'm not overlooking anything. I'm not one to read facts into situations that don't exist. WADA has played its cards pretty close to the vest, so I don't know how you come to the conclusion that they forced the UCI to do anything. What's your proof that that is the case?

 

[Finbouy]

What a flippin mess. One minuite he's cleared, one minuite he's up against it all again, then another drawn out appeal, then a counter argument, then another appeal, then he wipes his nose, then another counter argument, then he gets cleared all over again, then he sneezes, then Pat wobbles in with his comments, then another round of titfortat, then berts rides, then he wins something then everyone breathes a sigh of relief oh no they don't then another appeal, then more accusations, then yet more confusing time delayed banter being drawn out all over again..

Then Prudy gets involved.

Brilliant, just brilliant.

 

[mwbyrd]

WOW...wow....

So the UCI is appealing because of the political statements made by the Spanish PM??? Not because they feel Contador doped using Clen? They want to make sure his case was 'fairly' handled and that the RFEC's decision was just?

And they want a quick resolution? Where was this urgency in the Landis and Hamilton case?

I call BS....it doesn't add up.

 

[Lanark]

UCI-lawyer Filip Verbiest already said they appeal because they don't believe Contador's explanation, and because they think they have a good chance of winning the appeal. The political pressure is another reason they appeal, probably in itself probably enough reason to appeal, but not the only.

 

[Cimber]

UCI-lawyer Filip Verbiest already said they appeal because they don't believe Contador's explanation, and because they think they have a good chance of winning the appeal. The political pressure is another reason they appeal, probably in itself probably enough reason to appeal, but not the only.

On the other hand Patty says he knows Contador has a strong case. He doesnt really sound convinced that Berti will lose the appeal. Anyways, I am glad it ended with CAS. Hopefully there will be less BS from different agencies and organisations.

 

[Publicus]

UCI-lawyer Filip Verbiest already said they appeal because they don't believe Contador's explanation, and because they think they have a good chance of winning the appeal. The political pressure is another reason they appeal, probably in itself probably enough reason to appeal, but not the only.

They actually have a pretty difficult case since they have to prove that it was a blood transfusion, microdosing or some other method other than contamination. Without the plasticizers test, I don't think they can meet that burden.

 

[peloton]

They actually have a pretty difficult case since they have to prove that it was a blood transfusion, microdosing or some other method other than contamination. Without the plasticizers test, I don't think they can meet that burden.

Can they use the plasticizer test at CAS?

 

[sniper]

Can they use the plasticizer test at CAS?

if we knew, you would have known it by now.

 

[Publicus]

Can they use the plasticizer test at CAS?

I don't think it exists actually. If they had it, they would have introduced as part of the original dossier as circumstantial evidence. The fact that they did not is what leads me to that conclusion that it doesn't actually exist.

And by it, I mean a test conducted on AC's urine, not that the particular test does not exist.