UCI, McQuaid & Verbruggen in lawsuit against Landis

[Francois the Postman]

Not sure how we got onto this ongoing Giro spat here.

You both might be mistaking "UCI, McQuaid & Verbruggen in lawsuit against Landis" for "Worst line up for the Giro "

It is an easy mistake to make, given how close they are.

 

[flicker]

Wow, talk about whining...you need some cheese to go with that?

And yea, that Giro field...full of donkeys. Um, it may be missing Cuddles and Schlecklet, but who cares about guys who only get second in GT's anyway?

As for the ToC. Good to see that you realize the joke that it is. The sad thing is that Cali has the terrain to make a fantastic race...but they don't use it. It is a weak, boring race to watch.

And dude, I know that you are sad that the fraud that you wrapped you life in for the past 20 years is being exposed, but know that you are not alone in your brilliant reliance on the words of a sociopath. Like PT said, there is a sucker born every minute. You obviously took that spot for the minute in which you were born...so you got that goin' for ya'!

Just watch stage 4+5, 5 has nasty hills at the end, hot isolated no mans land, 10,000 ft. climbing.
and 4 goes through the back side of the moon, down hamiltiton 4000 ft. descent, and then a 1900ft. climb in 3.5 miles.
Tough, seperation, big time gaps.

http://www.amgentourofcalifornia.com/Route/stages/stage5.html

 

[Elagabalus]

Not sure how we got onto this ongoing Giro spat here.

You both might be mistaking "UCI, McQuaid & Verbruggen in lawsuit against Landis" for "Worst line up for the Giro "

It is an easy mistake to make, given how close they are.

But where's the "I'm just a jealous East-Coaster and that's why I h8 the ToC" thread?

 

[pmcg76]

Just watch stage 4+5, 5 has nasty hills at the end, hot isolated no mans land, 10,000 ft. climbing.
and 4 goes through the back side of the moon, down hamiltiton 4000 ft. descent, and then a 1900ft. climb in 3.5 miles.
Tough, seperation, big time gaps.

http://www.amgentourofcalifornia.com/Route/stages/stage5.html

Problem is stages were bigged up like this last year and nothing happened. Hope your right but wont be holding my breath.

 

[Anonymous]

But where's the "I'm just a jealous East-Coaster and that's why I h8 the ToC" thread?

...okay, so maybe there is a little bit of that involved...

 

[Anonymous]

Problem is stages were bigged up like this last year and nothing happened. Hope your right but wont be holding my breath.

I honestly am more interested in the Floyd press conference, but maybe I will be surprised.

 

[Francois the Postman]

Right. The lighter tone was too subtle?

Everyone get back on topic now or face consequences. People who missed the hint I gave 20 mins ago better address their posts that are off topic between that one and this one. Don't let me be the one who comes back to delete them.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I think within a year or so the UCI will have a couple of judgments against Landis. His invites to trade shows will be dried up. He will be the anti-champion that he is shooting for, the foot shot injury will be healed and Landis will be a stain on an old yellow jersey

In my opinion your opinion is wrong. I am not sure the UCI will have any judgments and I am not convinced they are going to go forward with any lawsuit.

Well they can go forward but they have nothing to gain and something to lose. Floyd may have all his invites to trade shows go away but that will speak volumes about those companies that act like Floyd does not exist, if the federal government brings a case against you know who.

In my opinion you placed that last bit there to get some reaction, again it quite possibly says more about character and who would post something like that, than it does about Floyd.

 

[flicker]

Right. The lighter tone was too subtle?

Everyone get back on topic now or face consequences. People who missed the hint I gave 20 mins ago better address their posts that are off topic between that one and this one. Don't let me be the one who comes back to delete them.

I think the Floyd sponge has been wrung dry. There isn't any more to say!
later

 

[Anonymous]

Right. The lighter tone was too subtle?

Everyone get back on topic now or face consequences. People who missed the hint I gave 20 mins ago better address their posts that are off topic between that one and this one. Don't let me be the one who comes back to delete them.

Yea, its like when my wife says in here beautiful soft mom voice to my son "Pick up your shoes and take them to the bedroom." It doesn't get done until I use my big dad voice and say "Either they are off the floor in the next 5 seconds, or the trash man will have a nice gift for his kids."

Now, back on topic. Landis is holding all of the cards here anyway, and I think you will see a very biting and direct press conference that will add some fuel to the fire. He doesn't sound like backing off and apologizing is in the cards (nor should it be).

 

[Elagabalus]

Right. The lighter tone was too subtle?

Everyone get back on topic now or face consequences. People who missed the hint I gave 20 mins ago better address their posts that are off topic between that one and this one. Don't let me be the one who comes back to delete them.

I don't believe in deleting posts-not even my own. Maybe just this once, pretty please with sugar on top, you can get off your high horse and let this thread be free. It will come back on topic, it really will! Trust me.

You see you have to visualize the place like a pub. Once in while there will be discussions will people across the room and other times discussions with only the people seated next to you... Just let it sink in for a while...

 

[MarkvW]

Yea, its like when my wife says in here beautiful soft mom voice to my son "Pick up your shoes and take them to the bedroom." It doesn't get done until I use my big dad voice and say "Either they are off the floor in the next 5 seconds, or the trash man will have a nice gift for his kids."

Now, back on topic. Landis is holding all of the cards here anyway, and I think you will see a very biting and direct press conference that will add some fuel to the fire. He doesn't sound like backing off and apologizing is in the cards (nor should it be).

I agree with everything except the parenthetical material.

Only money / power will change UCI behavior, and Floyd has neither. If he acquires rich allies, then maybe he can start a career as a pro cycling reformer. Otherwise, Floyd should spend his time retooling himself for a new career.

 

[flicker]

I agree with everything except the parenthetical material.

Only money / power will change UCI behavior, and Floyd has neither. If he acquires rich allies, then maybe he can start a career as a pro cycling reformer. Otherwise, Floyd should spend his time retooling himself for a new career.

Floyd" The Dude" does have a good solid career, cycling, cycling reform, and beer drinking. The pay is not so good but it must be hella amusing for him.

 

[Cobblestoned]

Look man, I know you are embarrassed, but stop taking it out on me. I knew back before his cancer that he was a fraud, I can't be blamed for being more perceptive than are you. Some people just have better genes. (maybe you have better jeans though, so you might also have that going for you too.)

Wow, you seem to be genius, equipped with hawkeyes and a born sense for pro cyclists who might dope.
Perfect genes to join a cyclingforum as active member. This is when there comes together what belongs together.

Like Rossi on Ducati, you know. Sure you wear a leather suit or latex suit, with "TFF" letters on it, shining bright. Also on your Rollator, with a nice TTF-theme paintjob, similar to your Trötrötröt-forever jersey.

But now back on topic:
Floyd and Pat (UCI) both suck.

Both parties are bluffing. Who will be the lucky winner ?

 

[MarkvW]

Wow, you seem to be genius, equipped with hawkeyes and a born sense for pro cyclists who might dope.
Perfect genes to join a cyclingforum as active member. This is when there comes together what belongs together.

Like Rossi on Ducati, you know. Sure you wear a leather suit or latex suit, with "TFF" letters on it, shining bright. Also on your Rollator, with a nice TTF-theme paintjob, similar to your Trötrötröt-forever jersey.

But now back on topic:
Floyd and Pat (UCI) both suck.

Both parties are bluffing. Who will be the lucky winner ?

Don't assume a zero-sum game. Everybody has the potential to lose in this one. Furthermore, Floyd's victory and defeat conditions are almost surely different from the UCI's victory and defeat conditions.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I agree with everything except the parenthetical material.

Only money / power will change UCI behavior, and Floyd has neither. If he acquires rich allies, then maybe he can start a career as a pro cycling reformer. Otherwise, Floyd should spend his time retooling himself for a new career.

Money and power will change the UCI behavior????

Not at all - what will change the UCI is when they become too toxic for (even) the IOC to take or when the corruption within is exposed (yes, think poor, jobless, no credibility Floyd) and individuals within cycling stand up to them and insist on reform.

 

[flicker]

Don't assume a zero-sum game. Everybody has the potential to lose in this one. Furthermore, Floyd's victory and defeat conditions are almost surely different from the UCI's victory and defeat conditions.

Reading what I have read by Floyd, about Floyd, comments from pro cyclists, UCI, LeMond, Kimmage etc. I have come to believe that there is really no winner with Floyds' agenda.
I don't mean that as a put down on Floyd, his allies or enemies.
Floyd is seriously toxic to all he is involved with.
Floyd giving a speech at the tour of california is a losing proposition, nothing good can come from it, even for Floyd.

 

[MarkvW]

Money and power will change the UCI behavior????

Not at all - what will change the UCI is when they become too toxic for (even) the IOC to take or when the corruption within is exposed (yes, think poor, jobless, no credibility Floyd) and individuals within cycling stand up to them and insist on reform.

Floyd makes a poor Don Quixote.

 

[Anonymous]

Wow, you seem to be genius, equipped with hawkeyes and a born sense for pro cyclists who might dope.
Perfect genes to join a cyclingforum as active member. This is when there comes together what belongs together.

Like Rossi on Ducati, you know. Sure you wear a leather suit or latex suit, with "TFF" letters on it, shining bright. Also on your Rollator, with a nice TTF-theme paintjob, similar to your Trötrötröt-forever jersey.

But now back on topic:
Floyd and Pat (UCI) both suck.

Both parties are bluffing. Who will be the lucky winner ?

I knew he was a fraud without doping. I have said this many times: The day he crossed the line pointing to the sky supposedly celebrating his win by pointing giving props to his Casartelli, I looked and said to myself "there is a guy trying really hard to look like this is all about his dead friend when in reality, it is all about him. He doesn't know true emotion, he knows how to fake true emotion." I haven't altered my opinion since. He is a compete fraud. I really am sorry that you were fooled for so long. I know it reflects badly upon your character and intelligence, but like I said, stop taking it out on me.

Now, back on topic.

Floyd isn't "bluffing" anything. He has absolutely NOTHING to worry about. They cannot enforce judgment against him even if the Swiss courts are so ridiculous that they would allow this case to be adjudicated. You show with this comment that you know absolutely nothing about the subject at hand. But by all means, keep posting. When has you being ignorant ever stopped you before?

 

[Cobblestoned]

I knew he was a fraud without doping. I have said this many times: The day he crossed the line pointing to the sky supposedly celebrating his win by pointing giving props to his Casartelli, I looked and said to myself "there is a guy trying really hard to look like this is all about his dead friend when in reality, it is all about him. He doesn't know true emotion, he knows how to fake true emotion." I haven't altered my opinion since. He is a compete fraud. I really am sorry that you were fooled for so long. I know it reflects badly upon your character and intelligence, but like I said, stop taking it out on me.

Now, back on topic.

Floyd isn't "bluffing" anything. He has absolutely NOTHING to worry about. They cannot enforce judgment against him even if the Swiss courts are so ridiculous that they would allow this case to be adjudicated. You show with this comment that you know absolutely nothing about the subject at hand. But by all means, keep posting. When has you being ignorant ever stopped you before?

Let's face it. You already knew it, at a time when no one knew him. lol
Even before he was born I guess.
Man, Lance never fooled me, and what you decribe there is just....American, man.
It was true emotion and honour - just overdone a bit - just choosing the American way.
Hate to inform you about this and you might not like this, but Lance is a symbol for US. And thats really not meant bad in most parts.
You just have to see it and you should develope a sense for psychology and for the way how humans work. I won't help you much.
He is your boy, and you can be proud of him. That Lance means America may be one of your major problems, I guess.

Lance is an arschhole, yes for sure. A clear dominant alpha animal.
There are positive and negative aspects about alpha animals, and they often struggle to find the best compromise.
Many great champions and successfull people are arschholes.
You have to be an arschhole and develope something like an emotional protection shield to make it to the top and survive. The more success, the more you start to get more cautious and less nicer, because there are so many people just sucking in your slipstream, many jealous people and frauds.

At the same time, this is a man with a big heart trying to make it perfect for everyone and perfect for as much people as possible (which then looks like he would only think about himself and not much about others), sometimes is unsettled and nervous, good man inside and a lot of passion for everything.
If this turns on you, you have an even bigger problem.
Because I am Jedi and force is with me, I can still feel a lot of good in Lance.
But if you have him on your side that is fine, this is a man you can count on 100% - but never ever come too close or try to fool him.
And I am 100% sure, that people like Lance and most athletes don't care about money.
Those guys want to win and take the lead. Money for them only means not to have to care about money, or just throw it out of the window.

They get nothing from money.

Well, Floyd, don't know. He is somehow cool, good guy and funny, and very good cyclist.
But this world made him crazy and mad. He was not really prepared for it and now he is a desperate man, who isn't sure about anything.
Floyd has nothing to worry about. Thats what I actually said too, man.
He only has to worry about himself. Floyd still has got a lot to learn.
Especially, to start with himself and him beeing responsible for all his actions.
After desperate trys to re-enter his "perfect world" again, after making a fool out of himself - now the only thing he has left is to watch the damage and reactions he can cause, sit back and enjoy playing the sad clown.
It is not nice to always blame others, and it is never nice to involve other people.

Floyd still cannot accept his defeat and his own faults.
He cannot accept that he was caught and obviously it was just a little mistake
Deep inside its working in him all about the past, same thoughts circulating in the background all the time - he mostly thinks and is angry about his miscalculation (or whatever) and his bad day in the Tour 2006.
It all started there. He regrets nothing.
He just wonders and still can't forgive himself - which results in desperate actions.
Yeah, thats it. It's all circulating - and Floyd has a buffer overrun from time to time.

I really wish him all the best and in no way this guy is ok.
Pathetic part is, that some people just use him as a tool and they don't really care about him. They cheer in the background, they incite him and like to watch that "fight"
Thats the sadest part of all and no one really deserve this. But not sure about that.

PS: Please don't worry about my intelligence and my character. Start with yourself, while the only ignorant and stubborn guys I can see here, are you haters, Mr. Trötfrötfröt.
Your anti-ToC campaign failed for sure, dude. Face it. You (are) lost.

 

[Anonymous]

Let's face it. You already knew it, at a time when no one knew him. lol
Even before he was born I guess.
Man, Lance never fooled me, and what you decribe there is just....American, man.
It was true emotion and honour - just overdone a bit - just choosing the American way.
Hate to inform you about this and you might not like this, but Lance is a symbol for US. And thats really not meant bad in most parts.
You just have to see it and you should develope a sense for psychology and for the way how humans work. I won't help you much.
He is your boy, and you can be proud of him. That Lance means America may be one of your major problems, I guess.

Lance is an arschhole, yes for sure. A clear dominant alpha animal.
There are positive and negative aspects about alpha animals, and they often struggle to find the best compromise.
Many great champions and successfull people are arschholes.
You have to be an arschhole and develope something like an emotional protection shield to make it to the top and survive. The more success, the more you start to get more cautious and less nicer, because there are so many people just sucking in your slipstream, many jealous people and frauds.

At the same time, this is a man with a big heart trying to make it perfect for everyone and perfect for as much people as possible (which then looks like he would only think about himself and not much about others), sometimes is unsettled and nervous, good man inside and a lot of passion for everything.
If this turns on you, you have an even bigger problem.
Because I am Jedi and force is with me, I can still feel a lot of good in Lance.
But if you have him on your side that is fine, this is a man you can count on 100% - but never ever come too close or try to fool him.
And I am 100% sure, that people like Lance and most athletes don't care about money.
Those guys want to win and take the lead. Money for them only means not to have to care about money, or just throw it out of the window.

They get nothing from money.

Well, Floyd, don't know. He is somehow cool, good guy and funny, and very good cyclist.
But this world made him crazy and mad. He was not really prepared for it and now he is a desperate man, who isn't sure about anything.
Floyd has nothing to worry about. Thats what I actually said too, man.
He only has to worry about himself. Floyd still has got a lot to learn.
Especially, to start with himself and him beeing responsible for all his actions.
After desperate trys to re-enter his "perfect world" again, after making a fool out of himself - now the only thing he has left is to watch the damage and reactions he can cause, sit back and enjoy playing the sad clown.
It is not nice to always blame others, and it is never nice to involve other people.

Floyd still cannot accept his defeat and his own faults.
He cannot accept that he was caught and obviously it was just a little mistake
Deep inside its working in him all about the past, same thoughts circulating in the background all the time - he mostly thinks and is angry about his miscalculation (or whatever) and his bad day in the Tour 2006.
It all started there. He regrets nothing.
He just wonders and still can't forgive himself - which results in desperate actions.
Yeah, thats it. It's all circulating - and Floyd has a buffer overrun from time to time.

I really wish him all the best and in no way this guy is ok.
Pathetic part is, that some people just use him as a tool and they don't really care about him. They cheer in the background, they incite him and like to watch that "fight"
Thats the sadest part of all and no one really deserve this. But not sure about that.

PS: Please don't worry about my intelligence and my character. Start with yourself, while the only ignorant and stubborn guys I can see here, are you haters, Mr. Trötfrötfröt.
Your anti-ToC campaign failed for sure, dude. Face it. You (are) lost.

Like I said earlier, stop taking the anger you have about your personal problems out on me. I can't help it if you were sucked in, and I can't help it if the ToC sucks. I also can't help it that Floyd is a funny, funny guy, nor that he is holding all the cards in this lawsuit.

Things are not going your way man, and that is a bummer for you. I get it. Maybe take up a new hobby like bird watching, or maybe take some classes down at the local university on auto repair or something. You'll pull through this sooner or later. Life takes effort sometimes man, so pull up your boot straps and carpe diem this mother****er!

 

[VeloCity]

Why such vitriol toward Floyd anyway? He's doing exactly what you guys say you want - taking on the UCI and bringing the dirt and rot of cycling to light. And for that he gets attacked. You should be cheering him on.

The liar and cheater who remains a liar, cheater, and fraud is the "American symbol" is a man with a "big heart" trying to "make it perfect for everyone" while the guy who fessed up to his lying, cheating, and fraud is "crazy and mad" and "desperate" and a "sad clown"?

Do you guys seriously believe that crap?? And why do I get the feeling that if Landis had only talked about, say, Phonak riders and not Bruyneel/Armstrong, he'd be a hero? I really don't get it, other than the fact that what really ****es you off about Landis is simply that the names that he named included Armstrong and Hincapie and Levi and other American riders.

 

[fatandfast]

In my opinion your opinion is wrong. I am not sure the UCI will have any judgments and I am not convinced they are going to go forward with any lawsuit.

Well they can go forward but they have nothing to gain and something to lose. Floyd may have all his invites to trade shows go away but that will speak volumes about those companies that act like Floyd does not exist, if the federal government brings a case against you know who.

In my opinion you placed that last bit there to get some reaction, again it quite possibly says more about character and who would post something like that, than it does about Floyd.

you take yourself way, way too seriously. Floyd had the yellow jersey and lost it through some really long and expensive court battles. He will always be a great racer. The proof is in his results. He makes blunder after blunder trying not to face the fact that his ability to profit from his stellar results is not to be.
He doesn't have the cash to go from California to Switzerland the many trips needed to formulate a sound defense in court. You could be right, I will give you that, he may have a sudden income surge and be able to mount a grand defense but it is as far fetched as getting his title back.
Landis has a chance to salvage something in cycling, but the continued dog fights with the top of the racing food chain has to be seen as risky at best.
You are allowed to disagree w me,you can also encourage Landis to fight it out, he has been challenged to a legal duel. I would say "no comment" and leave it alone.
McQuaid will look like a bully if Landis just doesn't respond, if Landis continues to jab them in the ribs they will pursue the punishment thru the court system. If you think that getting caught for doping is honoring the yellow jersey, again thats on you. I find it a little less than honorable.

You and I strongly disagree about math, not using Landis as a spokesman for your product does not speak volumes about anything. As we are all seeing his personal fights with history and the governing bodies drowned out the products he has tried to promote.

 

[Cobblestoned]

Why such vitriol toward Floyd anyway? He's doing exactly what you guys say you want - taking on the UCI and bringing the dirt and rot of cycling to light. And for that he gets attacked. You should be cheering him on.

The liar and cheater who remains a liar, cheater, and fraud is the "American symbol" is a man with a "big heart" trying to "make it perfect for everyone" while the guy who fessed up to his lying, cheating, and fraud is "crazy and mad" and "desperate" and a "sad clown"?

Do you guys seriously believe that crap?? And why do I get the feeling that if Landis had only talked about, say, Phonak riders and not Bruyneel/Armstrong, he'd be a hero? I really don't get it, other than the fact that what really ****es you off about Landis is simply that the names that he named included Armstrong and Hincapie and Levi and other American riders.

You failed.
I don't care whose names he named and who he dragged into it.
Its all about principle. Call that omerta or whatever. I don't give a sheit.
For me it is a maxim not to be a Kameradenschwein, to spit in the soup and to drag others into my sheit.

btw, you forgot to quote "cool, good guy and funny, and very good cyclist"

Your reading- and interpretion-skills seem to be very selective or limited.
I have nothing against Floyd, the man. It's just his desperate actions and script. Some "advisors" may play a bigger role in that, than Floyd himself.
Same like Ullrich, who has a sense for surrounding and trusting with the wrong people.

I fail to see where the haters recognize that Landis is a bitter and broken man. They just cheer and keep on telling us how well he is, that he found his peace (he even says so himself, but thats actually not true), while I am really worried about Floyd.

You can trust on my experience and that is all just meant honest.

 

[ricara]

I knew he was a fraud without doping. I have said this many times: The day he crossed the line pointing to the sky supposedly celebrating his win by pointing giving props to his Casartelli, I looked and said to myself "there is a guy trying really hard to look like this is all about his dead friend when in reality, it is all about him. He doesn't know true emotion, he knows how to fake true emotion."

Exactly.

And do you think he just faked that emotion on the spot?

No, of course not. They wanted the win badly, so the gave him his max EPO dose. They knew he would likely win, and Lance was coached as to what to do when he crossed the line.

Tying this back to the topic of the thread, that was the kind of behavior that Verbruggen loved because it increased TV viewership. So of course Verbruggen would overlook Lance's many transgressions because it put money into his own personal pocket -- both directly from bribes and indirectly because the UCI made a lot of money off of Lance's circus.

You will note that the lawsuit wasn't filed until Hein recently got together with Fat Pat to work on the radio ban. I'm sure that's not all they talked about...