UCI, McQuaid & Verbruggen in lawsuit against Landis

[Granville57]

Landis speaks with Neil Browne

“They finally did what I have been telling them to do to me for a year. I’m happy.”

During our conversation Landis said he is planning on holding a press conference at the upcoming Amgen Tour of California. He even suggested he’d like to invite Pat McQuaid to the press conference for a debate.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/42916485/ns/sports-cycling/

 

[D-Queued]

Landis speaks with Neil Browne

“They finally did what I have been telling them to do to me for a year. I’m happy.”

During our conversation Landis said he is planning on holding a press conference at the upcoming Amgen Tour of California. He even suggested he’d like to invite Pat McQuaid to the press conference for a debate.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/42916485/ns/sports-cycling/

Interesting.

I would encourage a real 'wiki defense'.

It could be helpful to have a full set of Pat McQuaid and Hein quotes available. The URL and a printout could be passed out during the TdC.

In other words, why say anything at all? How good is Landis at debate? If not careful, he could easily come across as being off the wall.

Rather, just repeat what Pat and Hein have said.

Landis: Mr. McQuaid, did you make the following statment...

Pat: Err, umm, err, ummm

Landis: Mr. McQuaid, did you make the following statement...

etc.

Dave.

 

[frenchfry]

Landis speaks with Neil Browne

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/42916485/ns/sports-cycling/

I love the concluding statement:

The UCI’s smartest move would be to claim that Anonymous took a break from hacking into Sony’s PlayStations and maliciously posted the lawsuit statement onto their site, then return to sending petty e-mails to Jonathan Vaughters.

It appears that the mainstream media likes Floyd's credibility just fine. In fact, it is difficult to find any favorable opinions of the UCI/Verdruggen/Fat Pat - even the fanboys appear to think poorly of them.

 

[Berzin]

Floyd's calling them criminals. That's defamatory per se. That's going to be a new claim by the UCI crowd. If Floyd is defending, why in the name of all that is just and holy is he making his lawyers' job harder?

Floyd's talking even more crazy talk. He's talking about deposing his old peloton-mates in the course of this case! Multiple international depositions would be crazy-expensive.

There is a good chance Floyd is not telling the truth here. Who would have thought?

Why would any lawyer front money for such madness? The only conceivable attorneys would be his current team, but they'd only take it if it somehow increased their chances of winning the qui tam lawsuit. I can't see it.

Methinks Floyd's talk emanates from the sphincter region.

Yes, just like this very post of yours.

 

[Benotti69]

Interesting.

I would encourage a real 'wiki defense'.

It could be helpful to have a full set of Pat McQuaid and Hein quotes available. The URL and a printout could be passed out during the TdC.

In other words, why say anything at all? How good is Landis at debate? If not careful, he could easily come across as being off the wall.

Rather, just repeat what Pat and Hein have said.

Landis: Mr. McQuaid, did you make the following statment...

Pat: Err, umm, err, ummm

Landis: Mr. McQuaid, did you make the following statement...

etc.

Dave.

maybe we could start a thread for Landis with examples of foot in mouth by UCI

 

[flicker]

One thing about Landis we have to realize. I have not been following cycling for to long,(started watching on Versus, 2008) I have studied Floyd Landis career through 4 very reliable sources, the two Pedias(Wikipedia and Dikipedia) and Velonews, and Bicycling magazine. It has been proven that Mr. Landis is a genetic freak(along with fellow Pennsylvanian Joe Papp) and has always raced cleanly and never lied. It seems to me since the French lab spiked his samples 2006 with testesterone Floyd should be suing them. Also seeing as Floyd was an honest man he should be suing the Amgen for not letting he and his super clean teamate Bahatti race the Tour of California. I am sure that they would have given the other genetic freak Mick Rodgers a run for his money in GC classifications. Also what are the UCI suing the super clean doing suing Landis. They should be praising him for all the good Landis has done for cycling and so many peole, etc.

 

[MarkvW]

How is Floyd going to fund his "vigorous" defense?

Yes, just like this very post of yours.

Okay, you've had your insult. Now tell me how broke Floyd is going to pay for his defense of this foreign lawsuit?

Can he play the charity button twice?

 

[Berzin]

The lawsuit is a crock and you know it.

You really think they're going to chase Landis halfway around the world and drag him back to Europe in chains over a defamation suit?

Use your head. It's BS and you know it.

All it's doing is giving you something to get excited about, but others who think rationally aren't fooled.

 

[Cobblestoned]

Can someone explain to me the reason, why the usual suspects go crazy and scream because Lance didn't sue Landis, and at the same time same people go crazy and scream because UCI sues Landis.

Is there any way to satisfy you Floydlovers ?
Is there any possible decision or action that is not wrong, when it comes to your "beloved" people ?

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If you want to be taken serious, you should actually behave like that.
I still can't see this.

 

[MarkvW]

Floyd won't defend!

The lawsuit is a crock and you know it.

You really think they're going to chase Landis halfway around the world and drag him back to Europe in chains over a defamation suit?

Use your head. It's BS and you know it.

All it's doing is giving you something to get excited about, but others who think rationally aren't fooled.

And you refuse to answer the question: How is Floyd going to defend this?
Answer: He's not--unless he can engage some major charity (again).

Lawsuits don't just go away because they're "a crock" and "BS." The other side has to make them go away by defending. Floyd says he is going to do this. Floyd can't afford to defend this. Floyd says he will, but that's just talk from an admitted liar.

UCI et al., don't have to "chase" Floyd anywhere to get their judgment. And they'll probably get it quite easily--if Floyd doesn't defend. This is not a crime, where the body of the defendant must be brought before the court; this is a civil action where a judgment may be taken by default.

Frankly, I very much wish Floyd would defend this (on the merits). This lawsuit gives him a straight-up chance to put the UCI, Verbruggen, and McQuaid on trial. It would be the grandest theater. But if I believed that Floyd would actually defend this, I would be setting myself up for another Floyd Landis letdown.

He totally suckered me on the Road to Morzine and he utterly revealed his character with his treatment of LeMond. I can't suddenly "like" Floyd just because he is now Armstrong's enemy. A plague on both their houses.

 

[VeloCity]

And you refuse to answer the question: How is Floyd going to defend this?
Answer: He's not--unless he can engage some major charity (again).

Lawsuits don't just go away because they're "a crock" and "BS." The other side has to make them go away by defending. Floyd says he is going to do this. Floyd can't afford to defend this. Floyd says he will, but that's just talk from an admitted liar.

UCI et al., don't have to "chase" Floyd anywhere to get their judgment. And they'll probably get it quite easily--if Floyd doesn't defend. This is not a crime, where the body of the defendant must be brought before the court; this is a civil action where a judgment may be taken by default.

Frankly, I very much wish Floyd would defend this (on the merits). This lawsuit gives him a straight-up chance to put the UCI, Verbruggen, and McQuaid on trial. It would be the grandest theater. But if I believed that Floyd would actually defend this, I would be setting myself up for another Floyd Landis letdown.

He totally suckered me on the Road to Morzine and he utterly revealed his character with his treatment of LeMond. I can't suddenly "like" Floyd just because he is now Armstrong's enemy. A plague on both their houses.

Well first, how do you know that Landis can't afford this? That's just an assumption. Maybe he's not so broke. Maybe he was never quite as broke as people thought in the first place. Maybe he's now got some friends in high places who aren't quite so broke - Lemond, for eg. We have no idea what's going on behind the scenes.

The difference between Floyd and Lance is that both were liars and both were dopers but one finally came clean and told the truth (and because of the Novitzky investigation, his claims will either be substantiated or not) while one continues to lie and deceive and to treat you and I and everyone else out there like we're gullible idiots. So yeah, as far as personal character goes, it may be far from perfect, but I'll take the former over the latter any day of the week thank you very much.

 

[MarkvW]

Well first, how do you know that Landis can't afford this? That's just an assumption. Maybe he's not so broke. Maybe he was never quite as broke as people thought in the first place. Maybe he's now got some friends in high places who aren't quite so broke - Lemond, for eg. We have no idea what's going on behind the scenes.

The difference between Floyd and Lance is that both were liars and both were dopers but one finally came clean and told the truth (and because of the Novitzky investigation, his claims will either be substantiated or not) while one continues to lie and deceive and to treat you and I and everyone else out there like we're gullible idiots. So yeah, as far as personal character goes, it may be far from perfect, but I'll take the former over the latter any day of the week thank you very much.

And, if and when Armstrong makes his admission of guilt, you'll welcome him back into the fold with open arms? Please!

 

[Dr. Maserati]

And you refuse to answer the question: How is Floyd going to defend this?
Answer: He's not--unless he can engage some major charity (again).

Lawsuits don't just go away because they're "a crock" and "BS." The other side has to make them go away by defending. Floyd says he is going to do this. Floyd can't afford to defend this. Floyd says he will, but that's just talk from an admitted liar.

UCI et al., don't have to "chase" Floyd anywhere to get their judgment. And they'll probably get it quite easily--if Floyd doesn't defend. This is not a crime, where the body of the defendant must be brought before the court; this is a civil action where a judgment may be taken by default.

Frankly, I very much wish Floyd would defend this (on the merits). This lawsuit gives him a straight-up chance to put the UCI, Verbruggen, and McQuaid on trial. It would be the grandest theater. But if I believed that Floyd would actually defend this, I would be setting myself up for another Floyd Landis letdown.

He totally suckered me on the Road to Morzine and he utterly revealed his character with his treatment of LeMond. I can't suddenly "like" Floyd just because he is now Armstrong's enemy. A plague on both their houses.

I know you don't like facts to get in the way of your opinion - but Floyd is a popular guy in California as he is very a like-able chap.

If (and its a big if) the UCI see this through, I expect him to have no shortage of people to contribute to his defense.

Now before you remind us (yet again) about dastardly Floyd and the FFF - most of the of the people who donated to the FFF are very wealthy and many had accepted that he probably doped yet they still donated so he could mount a defense.

 

[fatandfast]

berzin is right. The lawsuit is total BS. It will be won in absentia. Landis is smoking the stuff with no seeds for sure. He makes some silly sweepers about how the suit is witness intimidation and obstructs his right as an American to say whatever he wants where ever he wants. That opinion has got every American born and unborn in trouble all over the planet. US rules don"t trump everybody else regardless of what Flandis may perceive. Your US birthrights are checked at the door once you leave the states.

Landis will just have to mark on his passport another place he is not welcome. SI and some others may want to pick at whats left in the Landis memory if Lance gets cuffed by the US fed prosecutor otherwise it's Niel Brown and below. MarkW is correct that after a 5 year dead drop from pro form and the public popularity that goes w it, Landis will be lucky to raise any cash to defend himself w a legal write in fund raiser.

 

[Ferminal]

GreyManrod Chade O. Grey
Good thing a bunch of pro cyclists weren't sent in to get Osama. The first gun shot and they'd all be cowering in the corner and sniveling.
5 minutes ago

Chade O. Grey
GreyManrod Chade O. Grey
Today we start "operation honey badger"
8 minutes ago

Chade O. Grey
GreyManrod Chade O. Grey
No more defending any of these spineless bike racers. Scorched earth time.
8 minutes ago

Chade O. Grey
GreyManrod Chade O. Grey
A year ago I did and who's got my back? The UCI sues me. **** cycling.
9 minutes ago

Chade O. Grey
GreyManrod Chade O. Grey
Everybody who knew *****ed and complained when I didn't come clean five years ago.
10 minutes ago

 

[frenchfry]

And, if and when Armstrong makes his admission of guilt, you'll welcome him back into the fold with open arms? Please!

Of course not, because Armstrong is a sociopath that destroys nice people.

Floyd, for all his faults and past disgressions, is a funny and human guy that apparently many people like (difference between "like" and "worship").

 

[D-Queued]

Of course not, because Armstrong is a sociopath that destroys nice people.

Floyd, for all his faults and past disgressions, is a funny and human guy that apparently many people like (difference between "like" and "worship").

Floyd is reckless. Sometimes that is funny.

Redemption starts with telling the truth. Floyd is infinitely further along in that journey.

Americans love the return of the fallen and vanquished hero. To err is human. To forgive devine.

To lie and call yourself a miracle is, ultimately, the falsest of idols. It won't be a soft landing.

Dave.

 

[VeloCity]

And, if and when Armstrong makes his admission of guilt, you'll welcome him back into the fold with open arms? Please!

Yep, I would, if he does it the same way as Landis did, ie voluntarily come clean. I'd still think he's an a-hole cause he is an a-hole just as I think Landis is kind of an a-hole, but personality is not really the issue.

But if he's forced to admit against his will a la Virenque and fights it all the way, then probably no.

 

[MarkvW]

No Evidence of a Sugar Daddy Defense Fund

I know you don't like facts to get in the way of your opinion - but Floyd is a popular guy in California as he is very a like-able chap.

If (and its a big if) the UCI see this through, I expect him to have no shortage of people to contribute to his defense.

Now before you remind us (yet again) about dastardly Floyd and the FFF - most of the of the people who donated to the FFF are very wealthy and many had accepted that he probably doped yet they still donated so he could mount a defense.

http://www.sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=6478523

Floyd says he's broke and unemployed. He says he also is going to defend vigorously. If that is the truth, then Floyd already has defense money lined up. If that is blowing smoke (and hoping he can get more people to give him money), then Floyd is lying--unless by "defend vigorously" Floyd really means "beg like crazy."

Floyd is threatening to expose his fellow dopers in this lawsuit. Why would a sane person represented by lawyers EVER say that at this early stage in the litigation? Such bombast can only alienate some potential sugar-daddies. Furthermore, such a loose cannon statement can only turn potential allies into mortal enemies.

Usually, the "defend vigorously" statement is made by the lawyer for the defendant. Here, it's only broke, unemployed Floyd talking. Not very credible.

Floyd's apparently talked to the ARD (German station) in November. That's begging for a lawsuit in the EC. Floyd's statement that he only made statements in California bespeaks ignorance about jurisdiction (further indicating a lack of legal advice).

I hope Floyd has a sugar daddy or sugar daddies rich enough to support a massive investigation of the UCI. It is a beautiful dream.

 

[Race Radio]

http://www.sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=6478523

Floyd says he's broke and unemployed. He says he also is going to defend vigorously. If that is the truth, then Floyd already has defense money lined up. If that is blowing smoke (and hoping he can get more people to give him money), then Floyd is lying--unless by "defend vigorously" Floyd really means "beg like crazy."

Floyd is threatening to expose his fellow dopers in this lawsuit. Why would a sane person represented by lawyers EVER say that at this early stage in the litigation? Such bombast can only alienate some potential sugar-daddies. Furthermore, such a loose cannon statement can only turn potential allies into mortal enemies.

Usually, the "defend vigorously" statement is made by the lawyer for the defendant. Here, it's only broke, unemployed Floyd talking. Not very credible.

Floyd's apparently talked to the ARD (German station) in November. That's begging for a lawsuit in the EC. Floyd's statement that he only made statements in California bespeaks ignorance about jurisdiction (further indicating a lack of legal advice).

I hope Floyd has a sugar daddy or sugar daddies rich enough to support a massive investigation of the UCI. It is a beautiful dream.

Switzerland is not part of the EU

 

[Anonymous]

http://www.sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=6478523

Floyd says he's broke and unemployed. He says he also is going to defend vigorously. If that is the truth, then Floyd already has defense money lined up. If that is blowing smoke (and hoping he can get more people to give him money), then Floyd is lying--unless by "defend vigorously" Floyd really means "beg like crazy."

Floyd is threatening to expose his fellow dopers in this lawsuit. Why would a sane person represented by lawyers EVER say that at this early stage in the litigation? Such bombast can only alienate some potential sugar-daddies. Furthermore, such a loose cannon statement can only turn potential allies into mortal enemies.

Usually, the "defend vigorously" statement is made by the lawyer for the defendant. Here, it's only broke, unemployed Floyd talking. Not very credible.

Floyd's apparently talked to the ARD (German station) in November. That's begging for a lawsuit in the EC. Floyd's statement that he only made statements in California bespeaks ignorance about jurisdiction (further indicating a lack of legal advice).

I hope Floyd has a sugar daddy or sugar daddies rich enough to support a massive investigation of the UCI. It is a beautiful dream.

Floyd's legal defense will most likely be at no charge. Say it with me.... pro bono.

 

[D-Queued]

Switzerland is not part of the EU

Are you suggesting that someone who is criticizing others for bespeaking ignorance about jurisdiction is doing so himself?

Heck, I just thought it was a thinly veiled agenda to vilify Floyd.

Dave.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

http://www.sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=6478523

Floyd says he's broke and unemployed. He says he also is going to defend vigorously. If that is the truth, then Floyd already has defense money lined up. If that is blowing smoke (and hoping he can get more people to give him money), then Floyd is lying--unless by "defend vigorously" Floyd really means "beg like crazy."

Floyd is threatening to expose his fellow dopers in this lawsuit. Why would a sane person represented by lawyers EVER say that at this early stage in the litigation? Such bombast can only alienate some potential sugar-daddies. Furthermore, such a loose cannon statement can only turn potential allies into mortal enemies.

Usually, the "defend vigorously" statement is made by the lawyer for the defendant. Here, it's only broke, unemployed Floyd talking. Not very credible.

Floyd's apparently talked to the ARD (German station) in November. That's begging for a lawsuit in the EC. Floyd's statement that he only made statements in California bespeaks ignorance about jurisdiction (further indicating a lack of legal advice).

I hope Floyd has a sugar daddy or sugar daddies rich enough to support a massive investigation of the UCI. It is a beautiful dream.

You must have missed this in the article you linked:

He added that the UCI's announcement prompted offers of assistance from several lawyers he has worked with previously and said he is prepared to fight back, including, if necessary, countersuing and taking depositions from riders and cycling officials who would corroborate his accusations.

Also - the ARD piece was filmed in California - what did Floyd say in it that was defamatory or are you pulling at any and every thread?
(Not that makes any difference to the lawsuit)

 

[Anonymous]

berzin is right. The lawsuit is total BS. It will be won in absentia. Landis is smoking the stuff with no seeds for sure. He makes some silly sweepers about how the suit is witness intimidation and obstructs his right as an American to say whatever he wants where ever he wants. That opinion has got every American born and unborn in trouble all over the planet. US rules don"t trump everybody else regardless of what Flandis may perceive. Your US birthrights are checked at the door once you leave the states.

Landis will just have to mark on his passport another place he is not welcome. SI and some others may want to pick at whats left in the Landis memory if Lance gets cuffed by the US fed prosecutor otherwise it's Niel Brown and below. MarkW is correct that after a 5 year dead drop from pro form and the public popularity that goes w it, Landis will be lucky to raise any cash to defend himself w a legal write in fund raiser.

I'd be willing to wager that the UCI will withdraw. They will not win and when they figure out Floyd has a legal team they will, without doubt, back down. McQuaid may be stupid, but he's not crazy.


Mark isn't even close and I'm convinced he does not believe what he writes. He's winding up some here but that's about all.

 

[Kennf1]

GreyManrod Chade O. Grey
Good thing a bunch of pro cyclists weren't sent in to get Osama. The first gun shot and they'd all be cowering in the corner and sniveling.
5 minutes ago

Chade O. Grey
GreyManrod Chade O. Grey
Today we start "operation honey badger"
8 minutes ago

Chade O. Grey
GreyManrod Chade O. Grey
No more defending any of these spineless bike racers. Scorched earth time.
8 minutes ago

Chade O. Grey
GreyManrod Chade O. Grey
A year ago I did and who's got my back? The UCI sues me. **** cycling.
9 minutes ago

Chade O. Grey
GreyManrod Chade O. Grey
Everybody who knew *****ed and complained when I didn't come clean five years ago.
10 minutes ago

Floyd seems a lot madder about the lawsuit that I thought he'd be. I'm thinking we may see some more bombshell quotes in advance of the Tour of CA.