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Cali shouldn't be WT, though, I think. Quality is too evenly distributed among 'merican conti teams and that would result in some rather big names in the scene being left out. They already get four or five WT teams, the ones whose sponsors are interested in the area, anyway. I think Montréal and Québec are enough and decent representatives for NA. Not sure I'd be confortable with Turkey making it either, for obvious reasons.
The others (bolded by trevim) are a complete joke, no doubt about that. Cookson must go. Really, mudam-se as mosca, mas a merda continua a mesma.
The others (bolded by trevim) are a complete joke, no doubt about that. Cookson must go. Really, mudam-se as mosca, mas a merda continua a mesma.
Well the UCI have impressed me. Just when I thought they'd really struggle to *** the WT up more than they already had done with the reforms, they do this. How wrong was I 
Not sure i like Turkey and Cali beeing bumped up to World Tour.
I always enjoyed watching Turkey with the smaller teams, same with Cali, made it much more interesting imo.
I always enjoyed watching Turkey with the smaller teams, same with Cali, made it much more interesting imo.
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Oh, he was good couple of months ago, but now he's a big bad dictator And now we should cancel some cycling race in his country! Seriously what cycling has to do with Erdogan?! Or we should consider cancelling races in some even more "democratic" countries like Qatar, Oman and Emirates?
El Pistolero said:
Oh, he was good couple of months ago, but now he's a big bad dictator
And now we should cancel some cycling race in his country! Seriously what cycling has to do with Erdogan?! Or we should consider cancelling races in some even more "democratic" countries like Qatar, Oman and Emirates?
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Well, since you asked: yes.
Turkey I don't have that strong an opinion, though.
Mr.White said:El Pistolero said:
Oh, he was good couple of months ago, but now he's a big bad dictator
Well, since you asked: yes.
Turkey I don't have that strong an opinion, though.
Omloop, Strade Bianchi, and DDV are good, Cali I'm not sure, Britain have better races than that. The others, well, *** them.
And please keep the politics out of it.
And please keep the politics out of it.
too many races especially in the first half of the year ....
if UCI want's to add new races, they could alternate with some of the current WT races like Tour Down Under, Tour de Pologne, Eneco Tour, Cyclassics (or whatever the Hamburg race is called), Québec or Montréal ....
Omloop, Strade Bianche or Tour of California are ok races the rest of the new additons just adds crap tbh ....
if UCI want's to add new races, they could alternate with some of the current WT races like Tour Down Under, Tour de Pologne, Eneco Tour, Cyclassics (or whatever the Hamburg race is called), Québec or Montréal ....
Omloop, Strade Bianche or Tour of California are ok races the rest of the new additons just adds crap tbh ....
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Where did I say he was good a couple of months ago? The guy is an extremely dangerous dictator-to-be. That has been obvious for years now.
Who cares if the Middle-Eastern races get cancelled? Only Qatar is interesting because of the wind.
Mr.White said:El Pistolero said:
Oh, he was good couple of months ago, but now he's a big bad dictator
Where did I say he was good a couple of months ago? The guy is an extremely dangerous dictator-to-be. That has been obvious for years now.
Who cares if the Middle-Eastern races get cancelled? Only Qatar is interesting because of the wind.
Gigs_98 said:
Bring back the San Francisco Grand Prix. The American domestic scene takes a major hit. Last season they could aim for California/Utah/Colorado/Alberta. Now just Utah and Alberta.
Are we sure that local teams can't go to this new UCI WT events? I mean, if there's a minimum of 10 WT teams, there's a possibility that only 10 want to go. I'm not sure that filling up the rest with 10 or 12 ProConti teams is a possibility.
I'm really disappointed that California agreed to be a WT race.
It will turn into another lame race like the Tour Down Under. A mandatory race for a bunch of teams that are not interested in being there at all and the smaller conti teams left out. Not good at all.
UCI and ASO sucks!
It will turn into another lame race like the Tour Down Under. A mandatory race for a bunch of teams that are not interested in being there at all and the smaller conti teams left out. Not good at all.
UCI and ASO sucks!
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They started as mere coverage providers and now are basically the organisers.
burning said:
They started as mere coverage providers and now are basically the organisers.
i'm not against the new calendar, instead i would like to see a WT of 10 teams and lots of wildcards, no more teams like was Eskautel doing cobbles or WT teams sending C- squads to the giro or vuelta.
Apart from all that's been said here, I don't understand about the 10 WT team minimum.
Doesn't that rig the whole WT points system? (not that the system is really meaningful nowadays, with teams folding left and right)
Doesn't that rig the whole WT points system? (not that the system is really meaningful nowadays, with teams folding left and right)
Something I personally think would be rather cool is if they made it so that the WT teams were automatically invited to the WT races, but not obligated to ride them. A bit, I guess, like the Women's World Tour.
Let's face it; sometimes teams are forced to participate in races where they have no interest, and therefore no real fitting riders - tiny climbers on cobbles - while blocking for teams that does have interest in said race.
Let's face it; sometimes teams are forced to participate in races where they have no interest, and therefore no real fitting riders - tiny climbers on cobbles - while blocking for teams that does have interest in said race.
The problem with the World Tour is that it tries to combine things that don't mix well... Classic races with stage races...
We need two different rankings: the old World Cup (+ jersey) and a new ranking based just on the stage races (no jersey as that could become confusing with all the leader jerseys in stage races). I still remember how classic specialists really cared about winning the World Cup, while right now almost no one cares about winning the UCI World Tour and it's always the same riders winning because the system heavily favours GC riders.
The World Cup should consist of the following races:
- Omloop het Nieuwsblad
- Strade Bianche
- Milan-San Remo
- E3 Harelbeke
- Gent-Wevelgem
- Ronde van Vlaanderen
- Paris-Roubaix
- Amstel Gold Race
- Flèche Wallonne
- Liège-Bastogne-Liège
- Clasica San Sebastian
- GP de Montreal
- GP de Quebec
- Paris-Tours
- Giro di Lombardia
Gilbert in his prime would have dominated this World Cup I propose: he won 9 out of 15 races on this list! Amazing.
We need two different rankings: the old World Cup (+ jersey) and a new ranking based just on the stage races (no jersey as that could become confusing with all the leader jerseys in stage races). I still remember how classic specialists really cared about winning the World Cup, while right now almost no one cares about winning the UCI World Tour and it's always the same riders winning because the system heavily favours GC riders.
The World Cup should consist of the following races:
- Omloop het Nieuwsblad
- Strade Bianche
- Milan-San Remo
- E3 Harelbeke
- Gent-Wevelgem
- Ronde van Vlaanderen
- Paris-Roubaix
- Amstel Gold Race
- Flèche Wallonne
- Liège-Bastogne-Liège
- Clasica San Sebastian
- GP de Montreal
- GP de Quebec
- Paris-Tours
- Giro di Lombardia
Gilbert in his prime would have dominated this World Cup I propose: he won 9 out of 15 races on this list! Amazing.
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I'd add K-B-K and Paris–Brussels to give the sprinters a chance, although the latter race is severely diminished at present, move the TTT World Championships to either the one-day or stage racing World Cup, add a one-day ITT (GP Eddy Merckx?), and finally I'd add a race for pure climbers.
El Pistolero said:The problem with the World Tour is that it tries to combine things that don't mix well... Classic races with stage races...
We need two different rankings: the old World Cup (+ jersey) and a new ranking based just on the stage races (no jersey as that could become confusing with all the leader jerseys in stage races). I still remember how classic specialists really cared about winning the World Cup, while right now almost no one cares about winning the UCI World Tour and it's always the same riders winning because the system heavily favours GC riders.
The World Cup should consist of the following races:
- Omloop het Nieuwsblad
- Strade Bianche
- Milan-San Remo
- E3 Harelbeke
- Gent-Wevelgem
- Ronde van Vlaanderen
- Paris-Roubaix
- Amstel Gold Race
- Flèche Wallonne
- Liège-Bastogne-Liège
- Clasica San Sebastian
- GP de Montreal
- GP de Quebec
- Paris-Tours
- Giro di Lombardia
Gilbert in his prime would have dominated this World Cup I propose: he won 9 out of 15 races on this list! Amazing.
I'd add K-B-K and Paris–Brussels to give the sprinters a chance, although the latter race is severely diminished at present, move the TTT World Championships to either the one-day or stage racing World Cup, add a one-day ITT (GP Eddy Merckx?), and finally I'd add a race for pure climbers.
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I have to agree with El Pistolero regarding the World Cup. That ranking brought something to the calendar that's quite absent these days. I'm fairly frustrated with the specialization taking place these days, though a few riders still ride diverse calendars. The problem is that there's no overarching reward system for that, and it promotes a further separation of one-day specialists and stage race riders. The World Cup also brought some suspense to the end of the season, whereas now Lombardia often feels like an afterthought for many, and Paris-Tours is... well you all know.
I might, however, nix Omloop and Strade Bianche from the World Cup El Pistolero proposes, but overall I think it's spot on.
El Pistolero said:The problem with the World Tour is that it tries to combine things that don't mix well... Classic races with stage races...
We need two different rankings: the old World Cup (+ jersey) and a new ranking based just on the stage races (no jersey as that could become confusing with all the leader jerseys in stage races). I still remember how classic specialists really cared about winning the World Cup, while right now almost no one cares about winning the UCI World Tour and it's always the same riders winning because the system heavily favours GC riders.
The World Cup should consist of the following races:
- Omloop het Nieuwsblad
- Strade Bianche
- Milan-San Remo
- E3 Harelbeke
- Gent-Wevelgem
- Ronde van Vlaanderen
- Paris-Roubaix
- Amstel Gold Race
- Flèche Wallonne
- Liège-Bastogne-Liège
- Clasica San Sebastian
- GP de Montreal
- GP de Quebec
- Paris-Tours
- Giro di Lombardia
Gilbert in his prime would have dominated this World Cup I propose: he won 9 out of 15 races on this list! Amazing.
I have to agree with El Pistolero regarding the World Cup. That ranking brought something to the calendar that's quite absent these days. I'm fairly frustrated with the specialization taking place these days, though a few riders still ride diverse calendars. The problem is that there's no overarching reward system for that, and it promotes a further separation of one-day specialists and stage race riders. The World Cup also brought some suspense to the end of the season, whereas now Lombardia often feels like an afterthought for many, and Paris-Tours is... well you all know.
I might, however, nix Omloop and Strade Bianche from the World Cup El Pistolero proposes, but overall I think it's spot on.
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