Urine Trouble

[Colm.Murphy]

Now that the FDA has submitted some letters rogatory to the AFLD to obtain "Lance" urine, how about we focus in on what they will be doing with it.

Depending on how much whizz remains ( A/B or just B samples) this will decide what can be done. Science types who can speak to how much volume "might" remain, how much volume is necessary per test, would be much appreciated.

My thoughts:

1. CIR all samples - recall, they don't need an adverse T/E to jump to this test.

2. EPO test

3. CERA test (if this is not part of the EPO test)

4. Plasticizer test - cross-checking against "alleged" transfusion dates seems the likely way to go.

5. DNA test - gotta be sure it is "his" whizz...

More?

 

[Anonymous]

Love the thread title.

I think the noose is tightening... although I think once the investigation focused on Wonderboy this was always going to happen.

Probably not a real shocker to Team Armstrong.

 

[Neworld]

Love the thread title.

I think the noose is tightening... although I think once the investigation focused on Wonderboy this was always going to happen.

Probably not a real shocker to Team Armstrong.

Agreed. But many posters have in the past stated vehemently that wouldn't happen. I'd love to hear from all the Lancelovers who said the EPO laced 1999 samples will NEVER be tested. Yet here we are!

Funny how a little momentum can carry a long, long way from a long, long time ago. Sleep tight Lance

NW

 

[Dallas_]

Dna

DNA analysis will be high on the agenda, to prove they belong to miracle boy.

dallas

 

[BroDeal]

Now that the FDA has submitted some letters rogatory to the AFLD to obtain "Lance" urine, how about we focus in on what they will be doing with it.

Depending on how much whizz remains ( A/B or just B samples) this will decide what can be done. Science types who can speak to how much volume "might" remain, how much volume is necessary per test, would be much appreciated.

My thoughts:

1. CIR all samples - recall, they don't need an adverse T/E to jump to this test.

2. EPO test

3. CERA test (if this is not part of the EPO test)

4. Plasticizer test - cross-checking against "alleged" transfusion dates seems the likely way to go.

5. DNA test - gotta be sure it is "his" whizz...

More?

Can protease be tested for? It would show that he added a masking agent to his urine.

Synacthen was undectactable until recently.

I wonder if other teammates will have their old samples tested. It would be helpful if those teammates denied dope usage during their GJ appearance.

 

[Neworld]

Can protease be tested for? It would show that he added a masking agent to his urine.

Synacthen was undectactable until recently.

I wonder if other teammates will have their old samples tested. It would be helpful if those teammates denied dope usage during their GJ appearance.

Great idea. What about testing for all the above mentioned variables during the 2001 TdSuisse and TdFrance as Landis alleges?

NW

 

[Hugh Januss]

This is being talked about in an existing thread (or threads) but I would like to request that this thread remain up on it's own on the strength of the title.

 

[Colm.Murphy]

Can protease be tested for? It would show that he added a masking agent to his urine.

Synacthen was undectactable until recently.

I wonder if other teammates will have their old samples tested. It would be helpful if those teammates denied dope usage during their GJ appearance.

Total absence of EPO would be curious.

I wonder if they will be obtaining blood samples, and if so, how many will be obtained?

Blood may not be very useful at this ripe age, but would like a real expert take on this.

 

[mewmewmew13]

So, if I want to follow the latest on the pee chronicles, is this a thread of its own regarding all things pee, or did I mistake the other 'Lance and all things interesting, etc' as the happening spot??
sorry, just a bit of confusion....

 

[Topangarider]

The request for urine probably explains some of the statements Pat McQuaid made in his recent interview about Landis' credibility.

Clearly UCI knew that the transfer of evidence was being negotiated.

 

[Race Radio]

Can protease be tested for? It would show that he added a masking agent to his urine.

Synacthen was undectactable until recently.

I wonder if other teammates will have their old samples tested. It would be helpful if those teammates denied dope usage during their GJ appearance.

With the exception of Popo I don't think that happened.

I would expect the samples would be used to build a case for a "Non-Analytical Positive" WADA has limited authority over anything pre-Aug 2004 but they can say test for platizicers during the period Floyd said there were transfusions. This could add creditability to his statements.

 

[Dallas_]

Don't lie to FDA

I wonder if other teammates will have their old samples tested. It would be helpful if those teammates denied dope usage during their GJ appearance.

If any of the other riders are tested and they lied, then down the same road as Marion!

dallas

 

[BroDeal]

I think this is game over for Armstrong. Ex-teammates can be discredited, but people are so used to watching CSI and the other TV crime shows based around scientific evidence that Armstrong will have a hard time escaping this. People have come to expect that the guilty are always caught out by the police cleverly finding a bit scientific evidence.

 

[blackcat]

thought this was a thread on the urinitarians, the society that believes in drinking their own urine. A little like the Church of Scientology, just not as whacky

 

[mewmewmew13]

One would suppose that Lance and/or attorneys knew this was on the horizon and that it would be pinching his training time to almost nil for the ToC...

 

[Granville57]

Colm, best thread title since this one:

WADA you going to do about Alberto?

(I gotta give credit where credit is due )

On topic:

I would think HemAssist or any other "hidden" substance that may have only recently been uncovered (unless the timeline is off).

I have to say, I felt a bit ill when I saw the article for this story. It's going to be such an ugly road to finding the truth.

There is just something so deeply unsettling and unnerving about lies that are this old. If the equivalent of a 3,000 lumen searchlight is pointed at those old samples—and this whole case—as illuminating as it all will be, the results will be equally dark.

 

[Colm.Murphy]

So, if I want to follow the latest on the pee chronicles, is this a thread of its own regarding all things pee, or did I mistake the other 'Lance and all things interesting, etc' as the happening spot??
sorry, just a bit of confusion....

thought this deserved its own topic, given it has technical pee issues, though Mods please fold back into the other thread if it is not sufficient as stand-alone.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

C-Murph with the solid title. Nicely done!

 

[mewmewmew13]

Colm, best thread title since this one:

(I gotta give credit where credit is due )

On topic:

I would think HemAssist or any other "hidden" substance that may have only recently been uncovered.

I have to say, I felt a bit ill when I saw the article for this story. It's going to be such an ugly road to finding the truth.

There is just something so deeply unsettling and unnerving about lies that are this old. If the equivalent of a 3,000 lumen searchlight is pointed at those old samples—and this whole case—as illuminating as it all will be, the results will be equally dark.

I have to agree with this....
Seems like this has been one of those legendary controversies for so long...and if it really is coming to see the light of day at this point, it's also a little squirm-inducing.
Sort of like blowing a hole in the ground with some TNT and then taking a look at what has been hidden from the light of day for eons.

btw, there is a classic rock climb in boulder, co with this name

 

[TexPat]

Now that the FDA has submitted some letters rogatory to the AFLD to obtain "Lance" urine, how about we focus in on what they will be doing with it.

Depending on how much whizz remains ( A/B or just B samples) this will decide what can be done. Science types who can speak to how much volume "might" remain, how much volume is necessary per test, would be much appreciated.

My thoughts:

1. CIR all samples - recall, they don't need an adverse T/E to jump to this test.

2. EPO test

3. CERA test (if this is not part of the EPO test)

4. Plasticizer test - cross-checking against "alleged" transfusion dates seems the likely way to go.

5. DNA test - gotta be sure it is "his" whizz...

More?

6. Activegin
7. Julien deVriese's blood

 

[Granville57]

Total absence of EPO would be curious.

Now that raises an interesting perspective.

What if they gain access to teammate's samples where Floyd and perhaps others swear that they did in fact dope, but the samples are clean?
Would that help to establish the use of masking techniques and/or other methods of deception?

What a tangled web.

 

[Race Radio]

random talking points

You forgot witch hunt, waste of taxpayer funds babble, babble.

 

[Race Radio]

6. Activegin
7. Julien deVriese's blood

They have developed a test for Chimay?

My career is over

 

[BroDeal]

The 99 samples were already judged not to have been kept in unaccounted for conditions and will not be admissable in court - no scientist will come to any firm conclusions on them.

No such judgement was made, BPC. Those samples are valid. The 2000 samples which were held up in a French police investigation will be even more valid.

The sun is going down in Lanceville, and the sunset will be spectacular.

 

[Granville57]

Nobody has talked from within the team so they are searching for hard evidence.

Is that so?