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Dr. Maserati said:
You "presumed" wrong.

The document I posted is an "Application for Certificate of Authority" for Texas, they do not get 'filed' yearly.

The original documents of incorporation would be in the State where Tailwind was originally incorporated in 2002, Delaware.

So it's just every time they change the people on the board then? Why are they filing this document again in October 31 2005?

Oh. I see you're saying it's a different state. Do we have a document dated before 2005 with Armstrong's name on it?
 

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Cheat Or Be Cheated said:
So it's just every time they change the people on the board then? Why are they filing this document again in October 31 2005?

No, not in this instance.

It is an "Application for Certificate of Authority" in Texas.
ie it is a request to the State of Texas to allow an entity, previously incorporated in Delaware, to conduct business as a corporation in Texas.
 

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Cheat Or Be Cheated said:
So it's just every time they change the people on the board then? Why are they filing this document again in October 31 2005?

Oh. I see you're saying it's a different state. Do we have a document dated before 2005 with Armstrong's name on it?

Jeff has it.
 
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Dr. Maserati said:
Jeff has it.

If you say so, but I remain skeptical until I see the proof. I think it would have leaked out by now if they could nail him on this point. They managed to leak this one out to muddy the waters a bit, but not one dated before then, which makes me smell a rat.
 

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Cheat Or Be Cheated said:
If you say so, but I remain skeptical until I see the proof. I think it would have leaked out by now if they could nail him on this point. They managed to leak this one out to muddy the waters a bit, but not one dated before then, which makes me smell a rat.

By "they" you mean me.

It is a public document - that no journo's sought - so it is not a leak.
The only reason I don't have the Delaware documents is that it does not have those years online from the SOS like Texas.

The only person muddying the waters is you - any earlier document does not change LAs position in tailwind.
 
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Dr. Maserati said:
By "they" you mean me.

It is a public document - that no journo's sought - so it is not a leak.
The only reason I don't have the Delaware documents is that it does not have those years online from the SOS like Texas.

The only person muddying the waters is you - any earlier document does not change LAs position in tailwind.

I did wonder why you were defending it until the death. I suppose you are part of "they". It is muddying the waters because it purports to prove something that it does not.

If you can find a document before 2005 then I will accept that. I have my doubts though.
 

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Cheat Or Be Cheated said:
I did wonder why you were defending it until the death. I suppose you are part of "they". It is muddying the waters because it purports to prove something that it does not.

If you can find a document before 2005 then I will accept that. I have my doubts though.

It is a legal document - available to the public - what waters does it muddy for you BPC?

It clearly states Armstrong as director of the company in 2005 - if I had only found a document before 2005 you would be blabbing on about the Statute of Limitations.
 

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Before October 2005, Lance was a rider

Lance himself said "just a rider", but I think that is a bit too modest.
"Just an awesome rider" is more like it lol.
 
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Awesome rider doped to the gills, average rider doped.

Lance the "Charlie Sheen" of cycling

Lance only dreams of being Charlie Sheen.

Why buy a hooker when for another twenty grand you can get a coupla porn stars?
 
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Scott SoCal said:
Lance only dreams of being Charlie Sheen.

Why buy a hooker when for another twenty grand you can get a coupla porn stars?

Wonderboy is too cheap for Pornstars
 
flicker said:
One doctor, anestesialogist 20 years practicing still actively practicing in our area says Lance is a dousche, but he never mentioned the cancer angle. Also a cyclist. The other OR nurse 25 years practicing, still practicing, also a BA. in physical sports, practiced 3 sports in college. Neither came up with the teory Lance got cancer from doping.

Of course they are not forensic specialists, nor oncologists. Are their any doctors out their who have speculated Lance got his cancer from using steroids or hormones.
By the way I am against steroids and hormones, and I do agree with you that they cause cancer, for instance Lyle Alzedo.
I pretty much knew Bonds was a steroid user when his elbows and knees went out. Nothing to do with the Balco trial, however that pretty much capped it for me.

But the LIVESTRONG website tells me PED use can cause cancer!! SCARY!! What should we do?

http://www.livestrong.com/article/216462-health-risks-of-illegal-steroids/
 
cat6cx said:
lol

13,000 authors writing puff pieces can’t be wrong. Whoops, apparently they didn’t read the memo.

Maybe the irony of Lance campaigning to add further taxes in California is lost on the Livestrong army that the man himself was avoiding paying tax for most of his career and is under investigation. Some of those unpaid taxes could have helped the sick.
 
thehog said:
Maybe the irony of Lance campaigning to add further taxes in California is lost on the Livestrong army that the man himself was avoiding paying tax for most of his career and is under investigation. Some of those unpaid taxes could have helped the sick.
Now if only he'd been donating his untaxed money to charity...but we know that with HWSNBN it's always more complicated than that.
Would hookers back-date receipts? If business associates are made complicit, that makes it tax-deductible, isn't it?
 
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botanybay said:
most interesting is that within this page, demand media is running ads with sponsored links like "gain 15 lbs of muscle". So on one hand, they're publishing content that says "stay away from dope", they're running ads that speak to the "doping mindset".

...fubar...
 
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Benotti69 said:
...fubar...

Absolutely FUBAR, but:

The proof is now in the pudding. He finally shows his true colors. A profiteering douche-bag with no scruples or conscience.

He's cycling's Charlie Sheen of boldly going forward with his issues.
 
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Colm.Murphy said:
Novitsky has shown the penchant for using wiretaps. He did it back with Balco, then Ball, and used Floyd. To think he stopped, or decided not to employ that tact with Lance is silly.



They are out to get Lance and his gang. They've called so many who are directly and exactly related to Lance, to think otherwise is idiotic. Tyler, Lim, Popo, McIlvain, etc. etc. I think it will nail Lance and his gang. I think they will bring RICO charges against him.



I find your simpleton views and deductions to be, frankly, insulting to the general IQ around these parts. Granted, many are not on the same station but I have very solid channels to info and find them to be both reliable and exacting in their predicitons.

As to predicate offenses, this is not so tough despite you making it out to be. Bribery (including sports bribery & foreign corrupt practices act violations), Fraud (mail and wire fraud of the USPS), Drug Trafficking (Controlled Substances Act and Travel Act violations, hence the FDA connections), Obstruction of Justice (destruction of evidence), Money Laundering (bikes for Drugs)... Is that enough? The basis for bringing any of these charges on their own can also be under consideration. We just don't know, now do we? For you to sweepingly brush off these serious issues is juvenile. These are not so easily dismissed in considering how, if combined together, they could assemble a very strong RICO case. Indictment on that would be instant seizure of all assets, and only those they can show were not obtained as part of the scheme will they be able to recover.



Conviction rate means nothing in my view. It all rests upon how far they want to push this. Again, ignoring these issues as Federal crimes is plain dumb. Of course they are Federal crimes. Crossing state lines for mail fraud, wire fraud... You objectivity is simply vapor. It is fine to think he will get away without being convicted. It is pure and utter ignorance to think he won't be charged with multiple felonies, possibly being hammered with a RICO charge.



Yes, there is a difference between the indisputable facts, the probable facts and pure speculation. What you call each will differ from mine, as I do possess superior knowledge of the situation, as a benefit of my friends in Europe who are very tuned in, and my understanding of US laws (not a lawyer) but have studied up on this since Floyd popped this, and now understand quite a bit about the US legal process and corresponding criminal investigatory timelines. Regarding the SOL, the discovery of the predicate acts tolls the SOL, meaning the clock starts when they reasonably discovered they'd been frauded. Don't confuse this with the "last act" theory. The lengths at which they went to for the purpose of concealing their crimes also comes into play as it relates to the SOL. They tried very hard, and that permits latitude for a judge to toll the SOL, if necessary.



I won't go so far as to call you a Lance lover or question why you are here. I will state I feel I know as much as any "outsider" could probably know, and certainly more than you if I base my estimate on your posts. For all we know you are Lance? Doubt it but really, who knows?

I feel that Lance committed some serious crimes with his cohorts. They broke many Federal laws over many years, in a structured and deliberate manner. The laws they broke are mostly "predicate acts" that can possibly warrant a RICO charge. Ignoring this, claiming it as "not true" or whatever, is just ignorance. They are very good criminals but in the end they became too greedy and with the Feds bearing down, the jig is up.

Go read up on some RICO cases (please), RICO procedure with the US DoJ, and then come back and tell us all the reasons why it does not fit for Lance and his gang. Many, many, many RICO cases have gone forward with far less. Until then, your bluster is simply a facade of post after post claiming "nothing I see..." and "publicly known facts....", IE some worthless prattle that is not even a discussion.

You take the "I have superior (unstated) knowledge" argument to the shrillest extreme so far. But that's cool. You admit that it is purely and utterly ignorant to think that Lance will not be charged with multiple non-RICO felonies. If you are wrong, then you've sure characterized yourself.

Your SOL argument is false, and you really should admit it. While there is all manner of fraudulent concealment tolling available in civil RICO cases, there is no such doctrine available in criminal RICO cases. There's a big difference between the two.

RICO does require the commission of a predicate act within the SOL period. See U.S. v. Yannotti, 541 F3d 112 (2008). Lance wouldn't have to do the predicate act, or even agree to do the predicate act, but the criminal conspiracy would have to be ongoing in the SOL period and Lance would have to personally agree to participate in the affairs of the criminal enterprise during the SOL period (Lance would have the burden of proving withdrawal).

Time will tell.
 
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MarkvW said:
You take the "I have superior (unstated) knowledge" argument to the shrillest extreme so far. But that's cool. You admit that it is purely and utterly ignorant to think that Lance will not be charged with multiple non-RICO felonies. If you are wrong, then you've sure characterized yourself.

You've been just as ignorant in declaring that because you have not personally seen a letter, that Armstrong is in no way a target of the investigation. Even though they've concentrated on interviewing his inner circle and called many of them before a grand jury.

Sorry, he's been really busy hiring a multitude of legal defense professionals, and hasn't had time to sit down and fill you in on all of the details.
 
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MarkvW said:
You take the "I have superior (unstated) knowledge" argument to the shrillest extreme so far. But that's cool. You admit that it is purely and utterly ignorant to think that Lance will not be charged with multiple non-RICO felonies. If you are wrong, then you've sure characterized yourself.

Your SOL argument is false, and you really should admit it. While there is all manner of fraudulent concealment tolling available in civil RICO cases, there is no such doctrine available in criminal RICO cases. There's a big difference between the two.

RICO does require the commission of a predicate act within the SOL period. See U.S. v. Yannotti, 541 F3d 112 (2008). Lance wouldn't have to do the predicate act, or even agree to do the predicate act, but the criminal conspiracy would have to be ongoing in the SOL period and Lance would have to personally agree to participate in the affairs of the criminal enterprise during the SOL period (Lance would have the burden of proving withdrawal).

Time will tell.

I would hope that my own opinion characterizes myself, since they are mine and solely mine!

I find it amusing that you skip right past the guts of the predicate acts and hone on the SOL item. The SOL argument is perfectly adequate, as from what I have read a Federal Judge has wide latitude to decide the issue, though it is likely not going to even come to that.

Consider that Lance has remained an owner of Discovery (2005-2007)/Radioshack (2010). To think that he and his gang simply "went straight" is as silly as your view above. Their enterprise continued to operate, even though Lance stopped racing. This is the part I feel most are forgetting, and this is the part that renders the tolling issue moot.

You really should admit that.
 
MarkvW said:
You take the "I have superior (unstated) knowledge" argument to the shrillest extreme so far. But that's cool. You admit that it is purely and utterly ignorant to think that Lance will not be charged with multiple non-RICO felonies. If you are wrong, then you've sure characterized yourself.

Your SOL argument is false, and you really should admit it. While there is all manner of fraudulent concealment tolling available in civil RICO cases, there is no such doctrine available in criminal RICO cases. There's a big difference between the two.

RICO does require the commission of a predicate act within the SOL period. See U.S. v. Yannotti, 541 F3d 112 (2008). Lance wouldn't have to do the predicate act, or even agree to do the predicate act, but the criminal conspiracy would have to be ongoing in the SOL period and Lance would have to personally agree to participate in the affairs of the criminal enterprise during the SOL period (Lance would have the burden of proving withdrawal).

Time will tell.

Explain how Radio Shack fits into the picture. The same conspiracy that defrauded the Postal Service also defrauded Radio Shack. The key might be to flip Leipheimer. It looks like he has been on the Bruyneel rocket sauce from 2007 to at least 2009.
 

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BroDeal said:
Explain how Radio Shack fits into the picture. The same conspiracy that defrauded the Postal Service also defrauded Radio Shack. The key might be to flip Leipheimer. It looks like he has been on the Bruyneel rocket sauce from 2007 to at least 2009.

The Feds have already done that by putting Popovych before a GJ.

He was there with Discovery and is back with Radioshack - and of course we know who owns the licence for the RadioShack team...
Bill Stapleton, CSE will own, manage Team RadioShack
 
Dr. Maserati said:
The Feds have already done that by putting Popovych before a GJ.

He was there with Discovery and is back with Radioshack - and of course we know who owns the licence for the RadioShack team...
Bill Stapleton, CSE will own, manage Team RadioShack

There could be problems getting Popo back in the U.S. for trial. No such problems for Leipheimer. Plus Leipheimer can talk about what Bruyneel was doing in the early 00's.
 

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BroDeal said:
Explain how Radio Shack fits into the picture. The same conspiracy that defrauded the Postal Service also defrauded Radio Shack. The key might be to flip Leipheimer. It looks like he has been on the Bruyneel rocket sauce from 2007 to at least 2009.

Can you substantiate that statement, please.
 

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