USADA-Armstrong Phase II

[TubularBills]

Can you explain please. My loudspeakers are kaputt (don´t work since a few days).

Thanks in advance...

[In walk the drones]

"Today we celebrate the first glorious anniversary of the Information Purification Directives.

[Apple's hammer-thrower enters, pursued by storm troopers.]

We have created for the first time in all history a garden of pure ideology, where each worker may bloom, secure from the pests of any contradictory true thoughts.

Our Unification of Thoughts is more powerful a weapon than any fleet or army on earth.

We are one people, with one will, one resolve, one cause.

Our enemies shall talk themselves to death and we will bury them with their own confusion.

[Hammer is thrown at the screen]

We shall prevail!

[Boom!]

 

[86TDFWinner]

Maybe the Lance Armstrong Foundation should officially forgive Lance for his cheating?

I thought they already have?

 

[Big Doopie]

what's happened to armstrong over the last year and now with the USADA decision is way worse than anything that has happened to those individuals. that you think he should receive even more punishment is very vindictive. he is a human being. what kind of person do you want to be?

do people want to see him dead? is that where this is going?

oh, Gearhead, it's been fun.

LTG

 

[Velodude]

It wasn't Nichols in the room, so he doesn't have to change his evidence. Even the Andreu's acknowledged that it was two oncologists they hadn't seen before.

David Walsh in a radio interview claims the medico deponent of the affidavit for the 2006 SCA hearing claiming to be in the hospital room at the time that Armstrong allegedly divulged his history of PED use was not recognized by the other SCA witnesses as being in the room.

Earlier in 2006 Livestrong (LAF) had a major mission change. They moved towards promoting cancer awareness at the expense of funding for cancer research.

But just before the SCA deposition hearing, 10 years after LA's successful hospital treatment, Livestrong suddenly made a $1.5m research grant to the hospital and, would not you know it, the hospital had no records to produce of the doctors in that room on that critical day to confirm or deny the conversations.

Dr. Nicholls was also a Livestrong board member and no reference was made in the Livestrong statutory reports of this conflict of interest of a donation being made to a hospital in which he was employed or the later $500,000 donation made to the research facility Dr. Nicholls joined about a year later.

Good governance? A dictator at the helm of a charitable institution running the establishment as his personal fiefdom.

 

[gree0232]

David Walsh in a radio interview claims the medico deponent of the affidavit for the 2006 SCA hearing claiming to be in the hospital room at the time that Armstrong allegedly divulged his history of PED use was not recognized by the other SCA witnesses as being in the room.

Earlier in 2006 Livestrong (LAF) had a major mission change. They moved towards promoting cancer awareness at the expense of funding for cancer research.

But just before the SCA deposition hearing, 10 years after LA's successful hospital treatment, Livestrong suddenly made a $1.5m research grant to the hospital and, would not you know it, the hospital had no records to produce of the doctors in that room on that critical day to confirm or deny the conversations.

Dr. Nicholls was also a Livestrong board member and no reference was made in the Livestrong statutory reports of this conflict of interest of a donation being made to a hospital in which he was employed or the later $500,000 donation made to the research facility Dr. Nicholls joined about a year later.

Good governance? A dictator at the helm of a charitable institution running the establishment as his personal fiefdom.

At what point does this speculative process just become silly?

Seriously, no charitable institution has ever given a donation to a hospital that saved its founder's life?

That is highly suspicious now? Or are such conspiratorial antics, that deem an entire hospital staff complicit in a cover up (all without a shread of evidence mind you) possibly just a little ... conspiratorial?

I mean, sometimes a far simplier explanation might just be that when we look for evidence upon which we base a hypothesis, and we don't find it, it might just be that the hypothesis is wrong? Or, I suppose the vaste conspiracy that fooled the entire hospital staff, bit not the Andreau's mind you, just might be wrong?

I certainly cannot speak for everyone, but, generally speaking, when I start seeing conspiracy rather than evidence ... its time to move on.

BTW - this is exactly what is destroying our sport. Innuendo and creative writing leading to a climate of suspicion and accusation - just ask Brad Wiggins, or any other cyclist who has had their name tarnished with accusations.

After all, I find it amazing that we can find and follow all of Armstrong's money, but once the money arrives in a vast conspiracy ... we don't seem to be able to find any of the money that allegedly paid off people to erase records (some very philanthropic corruption to take a dontation for an institution when you are breaking the law don't you think?)

Amazing amounts of detail that supposedly allow us to know exactly what Armstrong was taking, and we can detect a minute trace of Clen in AC, but 500 tests on Armstrong ... and, well, of course the positive tests were erased ... across three agencies, by a donation to one of them only, etc. etc. etc.

Its time for the evidence Travis - because if all you have is conspiracy to back up the conspiracy charges? Well, good luck in an actual court rather than in an arbuitration process you control.

 

[TubularBills]

$3,690 and counting.

 

[Criteriums!]

At what point does this speculative process just become silly?

Seriously, no charitable institution has ever given a donation to a hospital that saved its founder's life?

That is highly suspicious now? Or are such conspiratorial antics, that deem an entire hospital staff complicit in a cover up (all without a shread of evidence mind you) possibly just a little ... conspiratorial?

I mean, sometimes a far simplier explanation might just be that when we look for evidence upon which we base a hypothesis, and we don't find it, it might just be that the hypothesis is wrong? Or, I suppose the vaste conspiracy that fooled the entire hospital staff, bit not the Andreau's mind you, just might be wrong?

I certainly cannot speak for everyone, but, generally speaking, when I start seeing conspiracy rather than evidence ... its time to move on.

BTW - this is exactly what is destroying our sport. Innuendo and creative writing leading to a climate of suspicion and accusation - just ask Brad Wiggins, or any other cyclist who has had their name tarnished with accusations.

After all, I find it amazing that we can find and follow all of Armstrong's money, but once the money arrives in a vast conspiracy ... we don't seem to be able to find any of the money that allegedly paid off people to erase records (some very philanthropic corruption to take a dontation for an institution when you are breaking the law don't you think?)

Amazing amounts of detail that supposedly allow us to know exactly what Armstrong was taking, and we can detect a minute trace of Clen in AC, but 500 tests on Armstrong ... and, well, of course the positive tests were erased ... across three agencies, by a donation to one of them only, etc. etc. etc.

Its time for the evidence Travis - because if all you have is conspiracy to back up the conspiracy charges? Well, good luck in an actual court rather than in an arbuitration process you control.

Friend of Lance,

The evidence is coming.

The sport of cycling is suffering because the leaders of the sport have been lying to the public.

The problem with what has happened with Wiggins is that there is no incentive to change the methods that Lance perfected as long as he gets away with it. That has now changed.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Gree007 or whatever.......at what point will you finally get tired of making an *** of yourself. Because it obviously is not the point where all evidence and logic fly in the face of any point(?) you try to make. Just how much are you willing to embarrass yourself in the hopeless defense of this man crush of yours?
And I say this with all due respect.

 

[D-Queued]

More lies:

Armstrong's lawyer, Robert Luskin, said the decision to bow out of the fight against USADA was not an admission of guilt to any doping charges. He said between appeals and arbitration, the battle likely would have lasted beyond 2016 and could have cost millions of dollars.

''I think Lance ultimately decided he'd rather be eaten alive by zombies than locked in a room with lawyers for the next five years of his life with no promise at the end of it that there would be any peace,'' Luskin said.


http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cycl...rong-titles-20120825-24tmr.html#ixzz24cHkH500

I'm sorry for Robert Luskin that you don't believe in miracles.



Dave.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Or are such conspiratorial antics, that deem an entire hospital staff complicit in a cover up (all without a shread of evidence mind you) possibly just a little ... conspiratorial?

Next time you are in the hospital, tell the staff some people were in to see you except they didn't identify themselves and they filled in your chart. It will start a storm.

What purpose does all your denial serve in your life? Wonderboy is a fraud.

 

[DirtyWorks]

This is the last thing I want to see. Federal Case = Jury. Just one Fanboy on the jury means mistrial.

You are assuming one Federal case. Hopefully, we get more. Not so much Armstrong either. There's Weisel and the rest of CSE and Tailwind in there too.

Ideally, we get civil cases too.

 

[BroDeal]

More lies:

Armstrong's lawyer, Robert Luskin, said the decision to bow out of the fight against USADA was not an admission of guilt to any doping charges. He said between appeals and arbitration, the battle likely would have lasted beyond 2016 and could have cost millions of dollars.

Now we could fight it with conventional weapons, but that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part!

And Lance is just the one to do it. Let's quit.

Let's do it. That bit part in Dodgeball was crap anyway. You can't hold a one man responsible for the behavior of a sick twisted sport. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole cycling system? And if the whole cycling system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our sporting institutions in general? I put it to you. Isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to Lance, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!

''I think Lance ultimately decided he'd rather be eaten alive by zombies than locked in a room with lawyers for the next five years of his life with no promise at the end of it that there would be any peace,'' Luskin said.

Mmmmm. Brains. Send more paramedics.

 

[frenchfry]

Pink ribbons did that long before the world had ever heard of Gunderson. As Kimmage said, Lance doesn't have a patent on cancer. Livestrong failing wouldn't even make a dent in the treatment of cancer, because it doesn't have anything to do with cancer other than self-promotion.

See this post for a link to a very informative documentary "Pink Ribbons Inc." on the commercialisation of cancer.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=991768&postcount=1180

 

[dadane]

Friend of Lance,

The evidence is coming.

The sport of cycling is suffering because the leaders of the sport have been lying to the public.

The problem with what has happened with Wiggins is that there is no incentive to change the methods that Lance perfected as long as he gets away with it. That has now changed.

Wiggins is not the new Armstrong. He has no control of anything (apart from to say Yes or No for himself... ...). Whether Sky are the new USPS is another matter, and the strings on that one are being pulled from way up in the SKY above Wiggins' head.

 

[QuickStepper]

:
Armstrong's lawyer, Robert Luskin, said . . . between appeals and arbitration, the battle likely would have lasted beyond 2016 and could have cost millions of dollars.

Speaking as a fellow member of the bar, and as my wife loves to say, "I love a story with a happy ending."

 

[Weapons of @ss Destruction]

Sort of like how the Caitlin testing program was suddenly deemed to be too expensive, but only after Armstrong realized it wasn't going to be to his advantage and had already milked the available PR benefits from announcing it previously. Not that his seven figure appearance fee paid to him by TdU in 2009 (I'm coming back to race on zero salary, it's all about cancer awareness, duh...) would have been logically applied to offset the Caitlin program which as I understand it would have only been in the six figure range.

More lies:

Armstrong's lawyer, Robert Luskin, said the decision to bow out of the fight against USADA was not an admission of guilt to any doping charges. He said between appeals and arbitration, the battle likely would have lasted beyond 2016 and could have cost millions of dollars.

''I think Lance ultimately decided he'd rather be eaten alive by zombies than locked in a room with lawyers for the next five years of his life with no promise at the end of it that there would be any peace,'' Luskin said.


http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cycl...rong-titles-20120825-24tmr.html#ixzz24cHkH500

 

[rhubroma]

Brilliant column by Rob Draper that will be in the Mail on Sunday tomorrow in the UK. Praises Travis Tygart hugely.

Love the headline.

Arise, Travis Tygart, in Armstrong you finally nailed the biggest cheat in sport

Brilliant indeed and perspicacious.

 

[JA.Tri]

common goals and working together

A Journey Called LIFE

A mouse looked through the crack in the wall
to see the farmer and his wife open a package.
"What food might this contain?", the mouse wondered.
He was devastated to discover it was a mousetrap.


Retreating to the farmyard,
the mouse proclaimed this warning :
"There is a mousetrap in the house!
There is a mousetrap in the house!"

The chicken clucked and scratched,
raised her head and said, "Mr. Mouse,
I can tell this is a grave concern to you,
but it is of no consequence to me.
I cannot be bothered by it."

The mouse turned to the pig and told him,
"There is a mousetrap in the house!
There is a mousetrap in the house!"
The pig sympathized, but said,
"I am so very sorry, Mr. Mouse,
but there is nothing I can do about it
but pray..
Be assured you are in my prayers."


The mouse turned to the cow and said,
"There is a mousetrap in the house!
There is a mousetrap in the house!
The cow said, "Wow, Mr. Mouse. I'm sorry for you,
but it's no skin off my nose."


So, the mouse returned to the house,
head down and dejected,
to face the farmer's mousetrap

. . . Alone.. .. .

That very night
a sound was heard throughout the house
-- the sound of a mousetrap catching its prey.

The farmer's wife rushed to see what was caught.
In the darkness, she did not see it.
It was a venomous snake
whose tail was caught in the trap.

The snake bit the farmer's wife.
The farmer rushed her to the hospital.
When she returned home she still had a fever.
Everyone knows you treat a fever
with fresh chicken soup.

So the farmer took his hatchet to the farmyard
for the soup's main ingredient:
But his wife's sickness continued.
Friends and neighbours
came to sit with her
around the clock.

To feed them,
the farmer butchered the pig.
But, alas,
the farmer's wife did not get well...
She died.


So many people came for her funeral
that the farmer had the cow slaughtered
to provide enough meat for all of them
for the funeral luncheon.




And the mouse looked upon it all
from his crack in the wall
with great sadness.
So, the next time you hear
someone is facing a problem
and you think it doesn't concern you,

remember ---


When one of us is threatened, we are all at risk.
We are all involved in this journey called life.
We must keep an eye out for one another
and make an extra effort
to encourage one another.

 

[veganrob]

Nice little story JA.

And so true. Thanks

 

[rhubroma]

Many icons are liars, or, if you like, hold reality in mind with a complicated and often ambiguous relationship.

 

[ManInFull]

At what point does this speculative process just become silly?

Its time for the evidence Travis - because if all you have is conspiracy to back up the conspiracy charges? Well, good luck in an actual court rather than in an arbuitration process you control.

I agree that trying to connect the dots of a money trail is difficult and often leads to questionable accusations. But, compelling testimony from an eye witness is something that reasonable people will likely accept. I'm much more interested in hearing from people who trained and raced with him.

 

[Benotti69]

I agree that trying to connect the dots of a money trail is difficult and often leads to questionable accusations. But, compelling testimony from an eye witness is something that reasonable people will likely accept. I'm much more interested in hearing from people who trained and raced with him.

The Italians have a pretty good trace of the moeny between Armstrong to Ferarri. $$millions.

The UCI bribe is well documented $125,000.

Ferarri wont tell us anything. Carmichael is an idiot and not worth listening too. Del Moral, Marti and Bruyneel are clams.

The riders have already talked about him in plenty of areas, JV, Frankie Andreu, Stephen Swart, Landis and Hamilton to name 5.

Others will talk in the future. No doubt George Hincapie will do a book.

Patience. It is all coming.

 

[gjdavis60]

she has not. she admitted to lying to the federal inquiry about taking what she thought was vitamins. she has never admitted to intentionally taking PEDs.

Marion Jones? A common criminal engaged in check fraud. That's how they hooked her. If she hadn't come clean about the drugs, she'd probably still be in prison.

 

[thehog]

After suing and smearing so many witnesses over the last 15 years, and creating so much confusion around some very basic facts, Armstrong’s own narrative is finally toppling into myth. Now that it has collapsed, the most interesting question is how much of his money and how many of his well-heeled friends were underneath it when it fell.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/m...france-titles-article-1.1144779#ixzz24eVmyMym

 

[Flux Capacity]

Did I hear right today? I think I heard a news report saying someone was tipping off Armstrong about drug tests. Is that right?