USADA - Armstrong

[nevada]

Did Contador fall out with Armsrtong as he would'nt get on the JB plan ?

 

[Benotti69]

Did Contador fall out with Armsrtong as he would'nt get on the JB plan ?

No he fell out as he wouldn't let Armstrong cheat his way to winning his 8th TdF.

 

[Leopejo]

How wonderful for you. Worrying about logic won't be keeping you awake at night.

Thank you for your kind wishes.

 

[lost_river]

2009? 2010?

Of course all the early years are completely suspect, and it would be hard to find a clean 2nd or 3rd podium placer to receive the jersey. What blew me away is that he is accused of bad samples as recently as 2009 and 2010. That takes extreme cojones.

 

[Swifty's Cakes]

So Ullrich will be a 4 time Tour de France winner, soon. Great

and Wiggins gets a podium, his year just gets better.

 

[ManInFull]

You have gotta be joking. People who come clean (even after having lied) and effectively implicating themselves are as trustworthy as pieces of shlt like Lance Armstrong. But I will leave you to your won devices in your litte LA-fanboi bubble.

We should not waste time responding to trolls. They seem to be unwilling to distinguish between a federal investigation and a USADA investigation and they want to imply that someone who previously lied and then admitted about doping can never be trusted. They are also the same ones who are complaining about "USADA spending taxpayer money to destroy an American hero". Uggghhhh....

 

[Animal]

Sorry, it was a play on words. It was a poke at the government and their wasteful spending. But I am surprised you are OK with the Govt. wasting your money on LA. I'm not happy about it. Nor am I happy with the Govt. wasting money on MLB.

Batshit.

And you can be sure any expenditure on USADA wouldn't event make a pixel on that graph.

So stop that old wank.

 

[Nearly]

So do we still all agree that White had nothing sinister in mind when he sent a cyclist to a doctor he worked with at USPS?

...... and that Steffen & Vaughters did not notice the name Del Moral shouting out from Lowe's medical certificate (and/or had no interest in what doctors he saw)?

 

[sniper]

Batshit.

And you can be sure any expenditure on USADA wouldn't event make a pixel on that graph.

So stop that old wank.

+ a friggin zillion!

 

[noddy69]

What always sways me in my opinion is Lances deflection in defence. He always brings up his previous tests, then his good work. As if this should be reason enough to drop an investigation.
Quite simply I believe that an innocent man should have nothing to fear.With nothing to fear you would IMO respond accordingly with something like this.

I will cooperate fully with the investigation as I am innocent of all charges. While I believe the investigation to be baseless I also believe it will exonerate me from any wrong doing and finally clear my name once and for all. Cheating through doping is not something that I ever did or condone and even though I know that I am innocent if it takes an investigation to get rid of these allegations then so be it.

Yeah right.

 

[soverylarry]

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[BillytheKid]

I think this prosecution, although plausible of a convection, but currently absent of it, does little to address the PED problem as a whole in sport. I'd rather see better and broader testing going forward. I believe the PED problem is wide-spread in sport and tolerated by governing bodies to a degree in an unjust manner.

This only my opinion.

An example of this would be the contrast between American Baseball's somewhat weak penalty system until the third positve and lack of testing compared to cycling. All of sport should adopt the same testing procedures going forward.

I do wonder about the politics of Amrstrong case.

Physique of athletes have radically change in the past 30 years. File footage of previous eras can visably attest to this. Scientific analysis of this footage would, in my opinion, back up my claim.

It strikes me as ironic, that certain athletes find themselves in the crosshairs while others who achieve unusual good results or longevity are not in the spotlight.

I am not going to argue this anymore, but I do not look forward to more reporting on this story from "unamed sources close to the investigation."

If the process goes forward without such frothing at the mouth and fingure pointing, then it will be fair and just.

Trial by public opinion is always a bad deal. Where some feel strongly about this, I am ambivelant, because I it is more important to apply meassures going forward rather than targeting selective individuals of suspicion of the past.

But the die has been cast again, and the legal system will go forward against the singular instead of the system behind the problem.

Nipping at a bit of skin cancer will never cure the disease.

 

[Benotti69]

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So you'll keep wearing the yella wristband then

 

[GotDropped]

But I have to question this. The federal investigation should not have any effect on the USADA determining if someone doped or not. If they had evidence of doping, it should have been made public. Heck, Floyd basically knew 3 days after the tour. Contador within 30 days. And now LA finds out 2 years later??

USADA's job is to enforce doping and providing for clean sport. I don't see how they did their job if they knew about it before the federal investigation ended.

OK, it is a good point, but in regards to floyd and Contador, it was a cut-and-dry case. They had positive tests of a banned substance. The onus is now on the athlete to prove how the substance got into their system and that is was no fault of their own. In regards to the blood values (now I am definetely NOT an expert on this) but wasn't it the UCI in charge of reviewing these values? When did the USADA get their hands on them? Did the UCI hand them over willingly, or did that process take a long time? Or, did the USADA have access to the values from day one? That is something the USADA will have to justify, or if someone knows the answer maybe they can enlighten us?

 

[classicomano]

Wow what a bombshell, props to Race Radio, the hog etc. for predicting all this. I was starting to think you guys were losing your mind, hallucinating in your LA obsession, but it seems you were right all along.

 

[pedaling squares]

Holy shit, you mean Lance Armstrong used PED's?

 

[yourwelcome]

Batshit.

And you can be sure any expenditure on USADA wouldn't event make a pixel on that graph.

So stop that old wank.

Great graph.

Additionally you could argue USADA falls under health spending.

 

[thehog]

The masterstroke really obtaining the WTC ban from Triathlon’s. Didn’t see that coming. That’s gotta hurt.

He is in France now, no? Preparing for the Nice Ironman and now he can’t complete.

 

[GotDropped]

really, where is RR? I'm starting to worry

Either it is some party he is having/had... or... I hope he is OK. I lost faith in the truth comming out months ago, but this guy seemed to know it was going to happen.

 

[BillytheKid]

So you'll keep wearing the yella wristband then

Nah, but I have survived skin cancer so the conclusion I used has some weight to it.

I also helped someone get psychological help from Livestrong who also survived cancer. My experience with them was good and there aid was real.

But if I wear it or not, what does it matter to the greater scheme of things?

Human nature rolls on. I still think little is accoplished here.

 

[skippy]

As i stated in " Skippyblogging " , if i were Lance i would send ALL his accusers a copy of " IF "!

Having won a 70.3 and podiumed several times there is nothing more to prove !

Lance walk away , head held high ! Certainly you are head and shoulders above the accusers and regardless of what you do , there will always be those " mushrooms " that reek of jealousy !

 

[Anonymous]

Holy shit, you mean Lance Armstrong used PED's?

Goddammit.

Coffee out the nose...

 

[yourwelcome]

I am not making excuses for anyone. Far from it!! I am just musing what the ramifications will be and they will be humongous, me thinks. That's all.

For example, I can't imagine that Contador is sleeping tightly tonight. This could have serious ramifications for him and he is not the only one by any means.

This can be so huge it is actually hard to get your head around it all.

Regards
GJ

Forgot about AC in all the excitement - yes that could prove bittersweet for some of the forum. Lol.

OTOH it could explain AC's falling out with JB and team, if you're putting a gloss on it.

 

[pedaling squares]

Goddammit.

Coffee out the nose...

Sorry. At least you only wasted coffee, not beer.

 

[techknowgn]

Help me out here, guys. Where are all the tweets from current pros saying LA is the lowest of the low etc etc?

They're smart to stay out of it until he's convicted. last thing you want to do is generate unneccesary good will to yourself. Plus most of them only rode with him a couple/few years at most, as theres been a lot of turnover in the peloton since his last tour win