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FoxxyBrown1111 said:
So game over for Pharmstrong??? Wish i could understand all that american law stuff. My english doesn´t go that far.

Nope. He can retry later.
 
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So game over for Pharmstrong??? Wish i could understand all that american law stuff. My english doesn´t go that far.

I second that question...under what circumstances would/could he refile, and what would need to be different about his filing the second time around to get a different outcome from the judge?

I hope they post a more detailed release soon so that people in here can tell me what it means. :D
 
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The only question at this point now, is will the USADA grant another filing exception to extend beyond the 14th. Since he has been granted one, will they grant another? Ideally there should not be another exception, he should have to answer, and in the meantime, he can try to go to Federal Court and try his argument again to get a TRO.
 
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Here's a general question about the case:

Are the 1999 (and 2000-2005) samples still available? If so, can USADA obtain them and do relevant retroactive testing on them with modern tests? Why or why not?
 

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I second that question...under what circumstances would/could he refile, and what would need to be different about his filing the second time around to get a different outcome from the judge?

I hope they post a more detailed release soon so that people in here can tell me what it means. :D

Perhaps he will include some results from when he was under 10? :D
 
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The only question at this point now, is will the USADA grant another filing exception to extend beyond the 14th. Since he has been granted one, will they grant another? Ideally there should not be another exception, he should have to answer, and in the meantime, he can try to go to Federal Court and try his argument again to get a TRO.

Yes, after reading that pleading I'm sure they're first thought is to extend further courtesies to Armstrong...
 
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aphronesis said:
Sure thing ace. How are you defining public in the above post? Bistro in Santa Rosa? That should lock it down.

Sure sounds great, please supply a video of Levi saying Lance never doped on 100 different occasions. Why are you replying to questions for Fiz. Have a nice day :)
 
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He has until Fri to either ask USADA for arbitration or accept their charges, which would prob lead to lifetime ban and stripping of titles
 
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"U.S. Judge criticized Armstrong's attorneys for filing 80pg complaint more intended to whip up public opinion than focus on legal argument"
 
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Dr. Maserati said:
Perhaps he will include some results from when he was under 10? :D

No jokes here doc. Teflon Pharmstrong always found a way. We have to suffer and have to shiver with fear until it´s finally over. Then, only then we can diss him once and for all and forever... I long for this day since 1999.
 
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MacRoadie said:
Yes, after reading that pleading I'm sure they're first thought is to extend further courtesies to Armstrong...

I agree, and with being in 4th place in that swim meet, that is all I need to hear! Courtesy granted!
 
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Judge: "This court is not inclined to indulge Armstrong's desire for publicity, self-aggrandizement, or vilification of Defendants
 
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Yikes. Whichever side of the issue you're on, I don't think anyone predicted a Rule 8 dismissal.

Here's the text of the 3 page Order signed by the Judge this afternoon. (sorry for any formatting errors, but this is cut-and-pasted from a PDF document):


IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE WESTERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS
AUSTIN DIVISION
LANCE ARMSTRONG,
Plaintiff,
-vs-
TRAVIS TYGART, in his official capacity as
Chief Executive Officer of the United States Anti-
Doping Agency, and UNITED STATES ANTIDOPING
AGENCY,
Defendants.


ORDER
Filed 2012JUL.9 PH 2:45
tjos
Case No. A-12-CA-606-SS


BE IT REMEMBERED on this day the Court reviewed the file in the above-styled cause, and specifically Plaintiff Lance Armstrong's Complaint [#1], his Motion for Temporary Restraining Order [#2], and his memorandum [#3] and exhibits [#4] in support thereof. Having reviewed the documents, the relevant law, and the file as a whole, the Court now enters the following opinion and orders DISMISSING Armstrong's complaint and motion WITHOUT PREJUDICE.

Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 8(a) requires that a plaintiff's complaint contain "short and plain" statements of both the basis of the court's jurisdiction, and the plaintiff's legal claim for relief. Likewise, Rule 8(d)(1) states, "Each allegation must be simple, concise, and direct." The Supreme Court has recently held that "a complaint must contain sufficient factual matter, accepted as true, to 'state a claim to relief that is plausible on its face." Ashcroft v. Iqbal, 556 U.S. 662, 678 (2009) (quoting Bell Atlantic Corp. v. Twombly, 550 U.S. 544, 570 (2007)). Rule 8 prescribes a middle ground of specificity, not requiring " detailed factual allegations," but demanding "more than an unadorned, the-defendant-unlawfully-harmed-me accusation." Id. (quoting Twombly, 550 U.S. at 555). Thus, "a pleading that offers 'labels and conclusions' or 'a formulaic recitation of the elements of a cause of action will not do," Id. (quoting Twombly, 550 U.S. at 555), nor will a complaint rife with argument and "other things that a pleader, aware of and faithful to the command of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, knows to be completely extraneous," Gordon v. Green, 602 F.2d 743, 745 (5th Cir. 1979). Ultimately, what Rule 8 demands is a short and plain statement of detailedfacts, not a mechanical recital of boilerplate allegations, nor as is more relevant here a lengthy and bitter polemic against the named defendants.

Armstrong's complaint is far from short, spanning eighty pages and containing 261 numbered paragraphs, many of which have multiple subparts. Worse, the bulk of these paragraphs contain "allegations" that are wholly irrelevant to Armstrong's claimsand which, the Court must presume, were included solely to increase media coverage of this case, and to incite public opinion against Defendants. See, e.g., Compl. [#1] ¶ 10 ("USADA's kangaroo court proceeding would violate due process even if USADA had jurisdiction to pursue its charges against Mr. Armstrong.").Fn 1 Indeed, vast swaths of the complaint could be removed entirely, and most of the remaining paragraphs substantially reduced, without the loss of any legally relevant information.

Nor are Armstrong's claims "plain": although his causes of action are, thankfully, clearly enumerated, the excessive preceding rhetoric makes it difficult to relate them to any particular factual support. This Court is not inclined to indulge Armstrong's desire for publicity, self-aggrandizement, or vilification of Defendants, by sifting through eighty mostly unnecessary pages in search of the few kernels of factual material relevant to his claims.

Accordingly, Armstrong's complaint, and his accompanying motion, are DISMISSED WITHOUT PREJUDICE, for failure to comply with the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. The Court grants leave to amend, provided Armstrong can limit his pleadings to: (1) the basis for this Court's jurisdiction; (2) the legal claims he is asserting; (3) against which Defendants each claim is being made; (4) the factual allegations supporting each claim; (5) a brief statement of why such facts give rise to the claim; (6) a statement of the relief sought; and (7) why his claims entitle him to such relief.Fn 2. Armstrong is advised, in the strongest possible terms, and on pain of Rule 11 sanctions, to omit any improper argument, rhetoric, or irrelevant material from his future pleadings.

Accordingly,

IT IS ORDERED that Plaintiff Lance Armstrong's Complaint [#11, and his Motion for Temporary Restraining Order [#2], are DISMISSED WITHOUT PREJUDICE to refiling;

IT IS FINALLY ORDERED that Armstrong shall file any amended complaint within TWENTY (20) DAYS of entry of this order, or this case shall be closed and dismissed for failure to prosecute, and for failure to comply with this Court's orders.

SIGNED this 9th day of July 2012.
SAM SPARKS LI
UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE

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fn 1. Contrary to Armstrong's apparent belief, pleadings filed in the United States District Courts are not press releases, internet blogs, or pieces of investigative journalism. All parties, and their lawyers, are expected to comply with the rules of this Court, and face potential sanctions if they do not.

fn 2. The Court expresses no opinion whether Armstrong actually has a legally cognizable claim against Defendants; it concludes only that his current pleadings are insufficient under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.
 
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FoxxyBrown1111 said:
What should he change? His $uckers wrote 150+ pages. What else can they add, other than kill GH, FL, TH, etc...

No decision on the merits was made. Some procedural mess up, probably.

Ooh, baby! You don't always serve your client by giving your client what he wants!!

The judge is obviously not a fanboy.
 
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Digger said:
"U.S. Judge criticized Armstrong's attorneys for filing 80pg complaint more intended to whip up public opinion than focus on legal argument"

That gives me a warm fuzzy.
However, I really need to stop following all this. The up and down, roller coaster ride is a drain.
Will someone just give me a bell when it's all over?
 
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Hopefully not a presidential appointed federal judge would be in the back pocket of a sociopath. Don't hear of too many cases of corrupt federal judges, but it does happen from time to time.

Dickie Scruggs tried to buy a coupla Federal Judges a few years ago and he could/can buy and sell Lance 100 times an hour.

It didn't end well for Dickie.
 
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Judge: "Contrary to Armstrong's apparent belief, pleadings...are not press releases, internet blogs, or pieces of investigative journalism.
 
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QuickStepper said:
Yikes. Whichever side of the issue you're on, I don't think anyone predicted a Rule 8 dismissal.

Here's the text of the 3 page Order signed by the Judge this afternoon. (sorry for any formatting errors, but this is cut-and-pasted from a PDF document):

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...BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I love it!
 
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i am listening intently...

so far, the federal judge's dismissal with a 20 day re-submittable option sounds to me as armstrong did not comply with some filing formalities whilst the judge, by giving another 20 days, is covering his **** against some federal fair hearing rules. it sounds like an automatic response without any leeway for armstrong.

in the mean time, comes the 14th and USADA will be stupid to extend it. USADA lawyers have thought this through already. if the game is played right, there should be no extension. i am sure armstrong will request usada hearing, and on the 27th of july the federal judge will dismiss it again because the process has been started and the judge wont have the power to stop it...
 

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Interesting that the judge says he can file again WITHIN 20 days, meaning he could file again without all the PR rhetoric immediately. This looks like it could go back to the judge tomorrow.
 
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"u.s. Judge criticized armstrong's attorneys for filing 80pg complaint more intended to whip up public opinion than focus on legal argument"


bingo!!!!!!!!
 
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MarkvW said:
The Trevor Graham case isn't the greatest precedent (did you note who Graham's lawyer was;)). It's only a district court case. Assuming that USA Cycling is in the same situation as Graham's Fed., it looks like good reasoning, though.

If I was a judge, I'd wait to see a concrete injury in fact before I'd even think about letting Lance into federal court. Lance's lawsuit is way too premature. I'd dump him on standing.

I wondered about the standing issue, but thought that the request for declaratory relief might get them some leeway. Then again, as I remember civ pro now (it has been a year and a half), it is a pretty hard hurdle to get over in something like this. Fed courts want fewer cases on their docket, not more, and arbirtation provides them with the best solution for that. I was wrong. I couldn't be happier that I was wrong. Seems the judge went straight by precedent. I thought a friendly one might allow some play.

In fact, getting a ruling that quickly is nothing but a ***** slap. And a hard one at that. That sound everyone just heard was thousands of dollars being flushed down the laywer toilet. Hey, Lance wants to fight, they'll keep taking his money and telling him that they don't have much of a chance, but they'll keep doing what he wants...

Juan Pelota just got kicked in the nut.
 
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