USADA - Armstrong

[RigelKent]

So you think right after Armstrong fought and beat cancer with quite a low shot at survival, he went straight back to the poison so he could win a bike race?

Study after study has shown that athletes would take years off their lives to win, and when asked in exactly that way.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

So you think right after Armstrong fought and beat cancer with quite a low shot at survival, he went straight back to the poison so he could win a bike race?

That appears to be the case USADA are making. Shocking isn't it?

 

[MarkvW]

So you think right after Armstrong fought and beat cancer with quite a low shot at survival, he went straight back to the poison so he could win a bike race?

It's the only explanation that fits the facts.

 

[Square-pedaller]

So you think right after Armstrong fought and beat cancer with quite a low shot at survival, he went straight back to the poison so he could win a bike race?

If it was 'straight' it wasn't 'back to' - he was given EPO as part of his cancer treatment.

 

[Square-pedaller]

Given the paper trail and how the payment to Ferrari surfaced, I think the time is passed for Armstrong to make hush money payments to anyone. Given that there is still the possibility of an indictment post-arbitration, such payments would be witness tampering and a felony. If he did, I would expect at least some of his attorneys to withdraw from representing him.

OK, I was only bouncing ideas around.

Just curious now: would paying someone to go for a closed rather than open hearing be a felony?

 

[Maxiton]

Exactly. Maybe some kind of transportation import/export customs related charges to bringing in doping products etc? IDK. There is definitely something else there with the feds. Oh wait...I did also say RICO a few days ago...decided to take a better look at it (had to pull out the books and look at the predicate offenses)....

I think the Feds are going to go RICO. I could be very wrong, but they may have a strong case after reviewing everything. I don't know what they currently have in their possession, but just what USADA is saying, they may have evidence to support RICO after arbitration. Now I see what the big fight is.

WOW, surely this can't be it. You only need two offenses under racketeering and a 10 year period....it makes sense now. Ok time to shut up. If I am wrong in the end, free Avatar for a month, if not...I pick the prize!

EDIT: That's why he can't go in and talk USADA and get a reduction, it sets him up for Fed indictment..he can't even really take arbitration, if he admits anything, if there is any conclusive evidence, he has to fight the arbitration, they go RICO on him...he's done, they file a immediate injunction on all assets....then he is forced to plea, no finances for high profile attorneys...this may be better than we thought. Or a wet dream...guess we will find out!

This is what I've been trying to tell you. Because RICO was mentioned before the Feds dropped their investigation.

Edit. The one thing I hadn't realized, though, is that the Feds could *immediately* sieze all assets.

 

[neineinei]

So you think right after Armstrong fought and beat cancer with quite a low shot at survival, he went straight back to the poison so he could win a bike race?

Niklas Axelsson was caught twice doping with EPO. The first time before his testicular cancer, and the second time after he'd been cured. Maybe Axelsson hadn't been sick enough to understand about poison and death and such?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niklas_Axelsson

 

[BotanyBay]

Representative from Wisconsin? We've got a SENATOR for frickin Arizona!

-Dr. Evil

 

[spetsa]

So you think right after Armstrong fought and beat cancer with quite a low shot at survival, he went straight back to the poison so he could win a bike race?

One more on ignore!

 

[Maxiton]

Exactly. Maybe some kind of transportation import/export customs related charges to bringing in doping products etc? IDK. There is definitely something else there with the feds. Oh wait...I did also say RICO a few days ago...decided to take a better look at it (had to pull out the books and look at the predicate offenses)....

I think the Feds are going to go RICO. I could be very wrong, but they may have a strong case after reviewing everything. I don't know what they currently have in their possession, but just what USADA is saying, they may have evidence to support RICO after arbitration. Now I see what the big fight is.

WOW, surely this can't be it. You only need two offenses under racketeering and a 10 year period....it makes sense now. Ok time to shut up. If I am wrong in the end, free Avatar for a month, if not...I pick the prize!

EDIT: That's why he can't go in and talk USADA and get a reduction, it sets him up for Fed indictment..he can't even really take arbitration, if he admits anything, if there is any conclusive evidence, he has to fight the arbitration, they go RICO on him...he's done, they file a immediate injunction on all assets....then he is forced to plea, no finances for high profile attorneys...this may be better than we thought. Or a wet dream...guess we will find out!

His lawyers, who get paid to figure all this out, should have figured it out within hours of the fed investigation being dropped and USADA popping up. Instead, they apparently told him the investigation had ended as if by magic and that he'd never face it again. It also appears they advised him to give a prominent public interview and offer USADA a couple of Tour titles to make this go away. In the same interview (Men's Journal) LA even offered up the helpful admission that he'd expected to "do some time."

I'd say he needs new and better attorneys, because it's pretty obvious the feds are playing hardball and for keeps. And while I haven't yet gone back to my last post to catch up with the thread, I know I said somewhere that our due process rights are inviolable, and that ChewbaccaD took issue with this on the grounds that arbitration is mutually agreed to. I should have been more explicit. What I meant to say is that our due process rights are inviolable where the state is concerned. So if LA can show a reasonable likelihood that USADA was comporting itself as a state actor, he is entitled to due process. (Although probably others are right here in saying that the bar for this is far higher than "reasonable likelihood.") If the feds swoop in with a RICO charge and take his assets, as soon as USADA strips the Tour titles, that to me will be a further indication of collusion between DOJ and USADA. Which probably just means he'll have grounds for appeal. If he can afford to appeal. The day after they take his assets, the lawyers will stop taking his calls.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

So you think right after Armstrong fought and beat cancer with quite a low shot at survival, he went straight back to the poison so he could win a bike race?

Absolutely. We now have testimonial evidence, possibly real evidence too, that he did exactly that.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

OK, I was only bouncing ideas around.

Just curious now: would paying someone to go for a closed rather than open hearing be a felony?

Possibly. Depending on the circumstances, it could be obstruction of justice--a felony.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

This is what I've been trying to tell you. Because RICO was mentioned before the Feds dropped their investigation.

Edit. The one thing I hadn't realized, though, is that the Feds could *immediately* sieze all assets.

If Obama wins in November, that will make it politically much easier for the DoJ to commence criminal proceedings against Saint Lance.

 

[henryg]

If the feds swoop in with a RICO charge and take his assets, as soon as USADA strips the Tour titles, that to me will be a further indication of collusion between DOJ and USADA. Which probably just means he'll have grounds for appeal. If he can afford to appeal. The day after they take his assets, the lawyers will stop taking his calls.

Senior Fed officials probably had no appetite to spend millions to prosecute a difficult complicated case involving a popular figure in an election year. Barry Bonds, who unlike Lance was reviled by the general public, in the end did not make the Feds look good after prosecution. There does not need to be any collusion for the Feds to re-open the case. Although it's highly unlikely they will even if sanctions make Armstrong an easier mark to prosecute. Unless circumstances hand Armstrong's head to them on a silver platter with the general public demanding blood this is likely a dead issue for the Feds.

 

[Epicycle]

If Obama wins in November, that will make it politically much easier for the DoJ to commence criminal proceedings against Saint Lance.

Or not if Lance has been helped with connections to the current DOJ brass. I think Race Radio mentioned Lanny Davis at one point.

 

[Benotti69]

So you think right after Armstrong fought and beat cancer with quite a low shot at survival, he went straight back to the poison so he could win a bike race?

That was proven in 1999 when he tested positive for sterods

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Or not if Lance has been helped with connections to the current DOJ brass. I think Race Radio mentioned Lanny Davis at one point.

As more and more compelling evidence against him becomes public, it become easier and easier to prosecute him, particularly if Obama is reelected.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I know I said somewhere that our due process rights are inviolable,

Slow down. Much like going to university, you agree to abide by their rules. This is about where WADA/USADA is. As long as USADA's process doesn't break any laws, USADA is good to go.

BUT, since this is lawyers and the law, they are fishing for the exception that gets Wonderboy off.

I'm not sure DOJ is going to do anything post-USADA. That's a big ask. There's the UCI/USAC that can still spoil the whole thing.

There's still the matter of a legitimate way for the information to pass out of USADA so it can be used again and that's assuming opposition could afford the legal battle.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Absolutely. We now have testimonial evidence, possibly real evidence too, that he did exactly that.

We have + tests for steroids and EPO from '99, so I'd say he did.
And apparently the recovery rate for testicular cancer is among the highest of all forms of cancer, so was his "miracle recovery" real or just part of the myth?

 

[D-Queued]

http://www.mccain.senate.gov/public...ecord_id=81e65d04-d3a5-57a6-a985-0c2ebfaa3cb0

Wondeboy gets some congressman.....USADA comes back with Sen John McCain

Checkmate

Representative from Wisconsin? We've got a SENATOR for frickin Arizona!

-Dr. Evil

That equity stake in Trek doesn't seem to buy very much.

Maybe enough for a footnote in the book: Is That a Politician in Your Pocket?, possibly somewhere in Chapter 5: Fraud?

On that note, I am starting to like these FraudBytes guys:

... I remember reading once that Lance owned part of Trek. I don't know if he still owns part of the company but it wouldn't surprise me if he is still a large shareholder. I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few phone calls between Fabiani and Trek to Mr. Sensenbrenner and maybe even some political contributions heading his way...

Then, again, perhaps I should tone down the rhetoric a bit. After all, the Cap Times figures
“Jim Sensenbrenner’s probably not a crook”

“…he represents a district that has been so thoroughly gerrymandered (via Sensenbrenner’s own machinations as a powerful influence broker) that he rarely faces serious competition at election time…

(Insert: Sounds like a USPS TdF strategy)

…The congressman has been on the wrong side of science, the law and common sense more times than anyone can count…”

Good thing that Lance has him on his side.

Dave.

 

[thehog]

Absolutely. We now have testimonial evidence, possibly real evidence too, that he did exactly that.

Actually he came back to Europe didn't succeed and went back to Austin.

There is a documentary on him when he went back to the US. He actually spoke in a very humbled way.

It wasn't until the Hog got to him that he went back to Europe and within 6 months ala Froomey he had podium-ed at the Vuelta.

The rest they say is history...

 

[Square-pedaller]

... he went back to Europe and within 6 months ala Froomey he had podium-ed at the Vuelta.

They had the first four on the podium at the Vuelta in the last century

 

[Weapons of @ss Destruction]

So you think right after Armstrong fought and beat cancer with quite a low shot at survival, he went straight back to the poison so he could win a bike race?

Yep, I think he went full *** carpe diem as a direct result of his experience with cancer.

 

[rhubroma]

When it gets this politicized it is always that dirty by the one who is politicizing it.

 

[Weapons of @ss Destruction]

If the feds swoop in with a RICO charge and take his assets, as soon as USADA strips the Tour titles, that to me will be a further indication of collusion between DOJ and USADA. Which probably just means he'll have grounds for appeal.

You don't think it's possible the feds are intelligent enough to figure out the most favorable sequence of events for their own cause without needing to consult with USADA?