USADA - Armstrong

[Master50]

I have only 1 point. The 1999 tests cannot be used to prove any anti doping offences. Anti doping rules make that evidence worth nothing and if it is part of their case it could serve to destroy it for violating their own rules. Rules for retrospective testing were adopted after 1999 plus there are statutes of limitation on some tests. The recent claims might however serve to prove an offence but I doubt they can take all his wins away. If the limitation was 7 years he is still the winner from 99 to 2004 which he would only lose 2 tours?

 

[ItsWitz]

Armsrtong & Vuelta

... i guess there goes his Vuelta ride !!!

(i gotta admit, i was looking forward to that).

 

[mastersracer]

I have only 1 point. The 1999 tests cannot be used to prove any anti doping offences. Anti doping rules make that evidence worth nothing and if it is part of their case it could serve to destroy it for violating their own rules. Rules for retrospective testing were adopted after 1999 plus there are statutes of limitation on some tests. The recent claims might however serve to prove an offence but I doubt they can take all his wins away. If the limitation was 7 years he is still the winner from 99 to 2004 which he would only lose 2 tours?

the statute can be waived if the doping was concealed by fraudulent means...

 

[Boeing]

and what about all the good little girls and boys with cancer?

 

[Mr.DNA]

... i guess there goes his Vuelta ride !!!

(i gotta admit, i was looking forward to that).

That was an April Fool joke.

 

[thehog]

WTC issued a statement at 4:56 p.m. ET suspending Armstrong from competition.

“WTC has been notified that USADA has initiated its Anti-Doping Review Board Process against Lance Armstrong to determine if there is sufficient evidence of doping during his cycling career to bring forward charges of a non-analytical nature. Our rules, as stated in the WTC Professional Athlete Agreement and Waiver, dictate an athlete is ineligible to compete during an open investigation. Armstrong is therefore suspended from competing in WTC-owned and licensed races pending further review.”

 

[mewmewmew13]

reports that other team members charged but no names yet.

m-r where did you get this report? I'm not trying to be snarky just wondering if you heard this or saw through another source?

 

[webvan]

... i guess there goes his Vuelta ride !!!

(i gotta admit, i was looking forward to that).

Sorry I don't get it? Vuelta 1998 when things started to look fishy?

 

[ansimi]

Are there charges against any other Americans? Maybe they all negotiated immunity?

 

[BroDeal]

WTC issued a statement at 4:56 p.m. ET suspending Armstrong from competition.

“WTC has been notified that USADA has initiated its Anti-Doping Review Board Process against Lance Armstrong to determine if there is sufficient evidence of doping during his cycling career to bring forward charges of a non-analytical nature. Our rules, as stated in the WTC Professional Athlete Agreement and Waiver, dictate an athlete is ineligible to compete during an open investigation. Armstrong is therefore suspended from competing in WTC-owned and licensed races pending further review.”

Over on Slowtwitch they are saying that on the WTC's website there used to be an Armstrong tab to get info about Armstrong. Today it disappeared. LOL.

 

[Cloxxki]

Perhaps the reason for Hincapie's retirement announcement.

First thing I thought.

 

[errbud]

Some of the comments on VN are classic. Looks like the samaritans might be busy with fanboys tonight !

 

[Kender]

About time but a conspiracy from 1998-2011? How on earth could it have taken that long to uncover a 13 year conspiracy?! Oh wait, "protection", but Heinie and Fat Pat knew nothing about it of course...

Man this makes me sick for Ulle, but at least he IS going to get these 2000, 2001 and 2003 titles by the looks of it.

if they do to lance what they did to bjarne Riis, he'll stay in the books with a note that he doped. at best if they act fast he can only lose his 2005 win due to the 8 year limitations. they didnt strip Zabel of his wins after he confessed either as far as i know (it was also after the 8 year limit ran out)

 

[Epicycle]

That USADA ignores this fundamental distinction and charges me instead of the admitted dopers says far more about USADA, its lack of fairness and this vendetta than it does about my guilt or innocence.


- ummm those admitted dopers were charged! He does realize this doesn't he?

Yep, that's straight out of Floyd's failed playbook. Can't wait for the ominous commercial, with "trailer park" instead of "strict, hard working Mennonite family":

http://yourlisten.com/channel/content/132402/Floyd_Fairness_Fund_Radio_Ad

 

[thehog]

Over on Slowtwitch they are saying that on the WTC's website there used to be an Armstrong tab to get info about Armstrong. Today it disappeared. LOL.

The VeloNews comments are funny. All about waste of tax payer money!!

Here's a nice one:

"Here is tygarts personal emal xxxxxxx...send a email stating you demand this stops and that you do not authorize your tax dollars be spent on this ignorant attack."

or this:

"Seriously? Get a clue USADA. You want to prevent doping, do your job. Quit the witch hunt on a man who has inspired and helped so many. F-you USADA."

 

[sniper]

m-r where did you get this report? I'm not trying to be snarky just wondering if you heard this or saw through another source?

in the washington post article it says:

"Armstrong and five former cycling team associates — three doctors including Italian physician Michele Ferrari, one trainer and team manager Johan Bruyneel— engaged in a massive doping conspiracy"

If I'm not mistaking, that seems to imply one other cyclist besides LA (at least, if the "trainer and team manager" is one and the same person).

 

[Eusebio Kino]

If Armstrong were to lose Tour de France titles, it would,

A) Sully the sport to the casual fans of cycling.
B) An investigation should be done on the subsequent riders who finished behind Armstrong, in the 1999-2005 victories.
B) is the only fair course of action by USADA, as it is important that no dopers should take the Tour titles which are bound to be stripped by Armstrong.
Any other course than a full investigation of Armstrongs' competitors would be a travesty of justice.
Also any results of any riders found to be doping during the Armstrong years should be stripped as well as lifetime bans and return of prizes with interest.
USADA should follow that course. This includes any informants who rode alongside Armstrong.
The cheaters should be destroyed, along with Armstrong if he is found guilty.

 

[Mr.DNA]

Some of the comments on VN are classic. Looks like the samaritans might be busy with fanboys tonight !

That parade of morons reminds me why I closed my Facebook account. They are drawn to VN like flies to p00p.

 

[Cloxxki]

@Cloxxki
@nyvelocity @yu_kie @livestrongceo Hiding behind 28 million sufferers wasn't enough. The shield now also comprises 100mln USA taxpayers.

 

[sniper]

If Armstrong were to lose Tour de France titles, it would,

A) Sully the sport to the casual fans of cycling.
B) An investigation should be done on the subsequent riders who finished behind Armstrong, in the 1999-2005 victories.
B) is the only fair course of action by USADA, as it is important that no dopers should take the Tour titles which are bound to be stripped by Armstrong.
Any other course than a full investigation of Armstrongs' competitors would be a travesty of justice.
Also any results of any riders found to be doping during the Armstrong years should be stripped as well as lifetime bans and return of prizes with interest.
USADA should follow that course. This includes any informants who rode alongside Armstrong.
The cheaters should be destroyed, along with Armstrong if he is found guilty.

My guess is that, if LA loses his titles, the UCI will refrain from reallocating the victories to other riders. There will be no winner, I'm guessing.

So on USADA's part I don't see any need to purchase anybody else besides LA.

 

[mr. tibbs]

If Armstrong were to lose Tour de France titles, it would,

A) Sully the sport to the casual fans of cycling.
B) An investigation should be done on the subsequent riders who finished behind Armstrong, in the 1999-2005 victories.
B) is the only fair course of action by USADA, as it is important that no dopers should take the Tour titles which are bound to be stripped by Armstrong.
Any other course than a full investigation of Armstrongs' competitors would be a travesty of justice.
Also any results of any riders found to be doping during the Armstrong years should be stripped as well as lifetime bans and return of prizes with interest.
USADA should follow that course. This includes any informants who rode alongside Armstrong.
The cheaters should be destroyed, along with Armstrong if he is found guilty.

You're right! Doping is the key to making cycling fun for casual fans.

Also, the reason this is happening is because the feds gave USADA all their evidence and testimony. If that kind of evidence was handed to any national agency (not that USADA only has US riders to worry about), they'd do the same.

EDIT: Some guy on VN is claiming that a cancer survivor would never use EPO because it causes... cancer.

 

[Animal]

About bloody time. Let's hope they've done their homework properly!

 

[Dr. Maserati]

in the washington post article it says:

"Armstrong and five former cycling team associates — three doctors including Italian physician Michele Ferrari, one trainer and team manager Johan Bruyneel— engaged in a massive doping conspiracy"

If I'm not mistaking, that seems to imply one other cyclist besides LA (at least, if the "trainer and team manager" is one and the same person).

The three Doctors, Ferrari, Pedro Celeya, Luis Garcia del Moral - trainer is Pepi Marti and then Bruyneel. That's your five.

 

[Ninety5rpm]

in the washington post article it says:

"Armstrong and five former cycling team associates — three doctors including Italian physician Michele Ferrari, one trainer and team manager Johan Bruyneel— engaged in a massive doping conspiracy"

If I'm not mistaking, that seems to imply one other cyclist besides LA (at least, if the "trainer and team manager" is one and the same person).

No. The five associates are:

Ferrari
2 other doctors (unnamed)
an unnamed trainer
Bruyneel

 

[Merckx index]

love the reaction

As always, a story like this provokes some gems of comments:

My guess is that there is pressure coming in internationally to "get" this guy. The Froggies never could, WADA never could, Floyd Landis is a joke. Greg Lemond is a joke. Why did they never go after Gary Hall Jr. when he was toking it up all day long? Probably also some sour grapes that the pro sports leagues in the U.S. basically ignore USADA and run their own programs.

The French even tampered with urine samples of his and were caught.

If somehow proof can be provided that he was doping, then the sport looks even worse for not being able to detect it hundreds of times.

You live in Denver so that automatically makes your statement both pointless and invalid, as I'm sure you believe Peyton Manning is going to take the Broncos to the Super Bowl. Your proof that he's a doper is what exactly? Because Armstrong has passed more drug test that you can count to. This is nothing but the USADA trying to garner some press for itself period.

Leave the guy alone. He is not racing any longer, except for triathlons and I am sure they have tested him for those and found NOT to have doped.

What's wrong with blood doping anyway? All you're doing is recycling your own blood, no drugs or anything. Why should that be illegal?