USADA - Armstrong

[BroDeal]

Anyone know who placed second in the Steamboat Trail Marathon two weeks ago? There could be a big 'W' in it for him.

What about fifth place in that legendary kids swim race?

 

[Turner29]

Just reminds me of SCA.
It would be great if they sue Armstrong, b/c he is no TdF winner anymore. Now the witness must become public.
All up to SCA now (once the titles are stripped)...
If i´d be SCA, i´d side with USADA.

I would expect SCA Promotions to file something soon and LA will settle out of court.

 

[krinaman]

Just reminds me of SCA.
It would be great if they sue Armstrong, b/c he is no TdF winner anymore. Now the witness must become public.
All up to SCA now (once the titles are stripped)...
If i´d be SCA, i´d side with USADA.

As I recall SCA lost the first time because the contract didn't have stipulations about doping. I'm not sure how they could sue now.

Googled a link, here you go:

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...-case-against-ArmstrongUS-Postal-Service.aspx

"Armstrong took legal action and eventually won because the original SCA Promotions contract didn’t include stipulations about doping. The company ended up paying the sum in question as well as an additional $2.5 million in interest and legal fees."

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...ArmstrongUS-Postal-Service.aspx#ixzz24QxajLp1

 

[jackwolf]

As I recall SCA lost the first time because the contract didn't have stipulations about doping. I'm not sure how they could sue now.

Googled a link, here you go:

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...-case-against-ArmstrongUS-Postal-Service.aspx

"Armstrong took legal action and eventually won because the original SCA Promotions contract didn’t include stipulations about doping. The company ended up paying the sum in question as well as an additional $2.5 million in interest and legal fees."

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...ArmstrongUS-Postal-Service.aspx#ixzz24QxajLp1

Maybe, but if it turns out that he didn't really win the TdF...

 

[Parrot23]

Just reminds me of SCA.
It would be great if they sue Armstrong, b/c he is no TdF winner anymore. Now the witness must become public.
All up to SCA now (once the titles are stripped)...
If i´d be SCA, i´d side with USADA.

+1 Hadn't thought of that. LOL, that's one way the evidence could come to light.

This would be great if that took centre stage, rather than Pharmstrong's procedural gamemanship: a de facto, substantive fraud trial involving Armstrong instead.

Ironic Armstrong threw up his hands as a "victim" the very same day Landis is making arrangements to repay the $450K he defrauded his backers of.

These guys. What a bunch of lowlifes. Lie, lie, lie. Game, game, game the system any way possible.

 

[Kennf1]

As I recall SCA lost the first time because the contract didn't have stipulations about doping. I'm not sure how they could sue now.

Googled a link, here you go:

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...-case-against-ArmstrongUS-Postal-Service.aspx

"Armstrong took legal action and eventually won because the original SCA Promotions contract didn’t include stipulations about doping. The company ended up paying the sum in question as well as an additional $2.5 million in interest and legal fees."

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...ArmstrongUS-Postal-Service.aspx#ixzz24QxajLp1

They would sue because he is no longer the winner of the races for which he received the bonus.

 

[Velo Dude]

Just tossing it out there: did anyone consider the possibility that LA made a deal with the Devil?

Yes, I had considered it.

 

[Parrot23]

I would expect SCA Promotions to file something soon and LA will settle out of court.

Gee, will this guy ever have to face the evidence in public.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

As I recall SCA lost the first time because the contract didn't have stipulations about doping. I'm not sure how they could sue now.

Googled a link, here you go:

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...-case-against-ArmstrongUS-Postal-Service.aspx

"Armstrong took legal action and eventually won because the original SCA Promotions contract didn’t include stipulations about doping. The company ended up paying the sum in question as well as an additional $2.5 million in interest and legal fees."

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...ArmstrongUS-Postal-Service.aspx#ixzz24QxajLp1

While it was not about doping - for Armstrong to claim against SCA he had to be the winner of those Tour's, guess what just happened today.

 

[jackwolf]

I can also imagine the hypothetical interesting situation in which Nike sues for having been "defrauded" and Armstrong's defence is something along the lines of "Come on, guys, you knew it all along, it was clear as day."

 

[Parrot23]

Yes, I had considered it.

Doping is a Faustian pact, particularly with a good works (LA Foundation) "cover" story following and misdirecting the attention of others regarding the pact. That's evident.

 

[MarkvW]

It will be interesting to see whether Armstrong sues USADA when USADA imposes sanctions. Herman implies it, but Lance's statement states otherwise. Those guys sure are not in sync.

 

[Turner29]

+1 Hadn't thought of that. LOL, that's one way the evidence could come to light.

This would be great if that took centre stage, rather than Pharmstrong's procedural gamemanship: a de facto, substantive fraud trial involving Armstrong instead.

Ironic Armstrong threw up his hands as a "victim" the very same day Landis is making arrangements to repay the $450K he defrauded his backers of.

These guys. What a bunch of lowlifes. Lie, lie, lie. Game, game, game the system any way possible.

Given the millions at stake, SCA will sue but as I said, I cannot see LA allowing any testimony in a public forum, so he will settle.

 

[fishtacos]

even armstrong's critics feeling empty tonight.

Gosh, you're so right. I was feeling empty - no, more than empty: Hollow, I dare say. Like something inside me was just... just missing.


Then I cracked that first celebratory ice-cold beer, and that terrible emptiness just filled right up.

Thank you, Sierra Nevada Brewery, and thank you, USADA.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

But the bonus was paid for him being a so-and-so often TdF winner. If he isn´t anymore, SCA should get their money back of course. But as "Turner" said, Pharmstrong will settle out of court. He will have a lot of this settlings in the future since i guess all sponsors had a non-doping clause...

As I recall SCA lost the first time because the contract didn't have stipulations about doping. I'm not sure how they could sue now.

Googled a link, here you go:

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...-case-against-ArmstrongUS-Postal-Service.aspx

"Armstrong took legal action and eventually won because the original SCA Promotions contract didn’t include stipulations about doping. The company ended up paying the sum in question as well as an additional $2.5 million in interest and legal fees."

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...ArmstrongUS-Postal-Service.aspx#ixzz24QxajLp1

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

It will be interesting to see whether Armstrong sues USADA when USADA imposes sanctions. Herman implies it, but Lance's statement states otherwise. Those guys sure are not in sync.

Won't happen. USADA hasn't done anything wrong.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Gee, will this guy ever have to face the evidence in public.

It seems not. I think all we can hope for is that he gets stripped his TdF titles.
Then no fanboy can say he is a TdF winner. Am ok with that. Better than nothing.
I really don´t care if they hail a also-ran cyclist then.
OTOH, we all have the evidence. Actually we don´t need GH´s testomony. It would say the same things as we heard from FL and TH. Plus, TH might go to further detail in his book. And i guess Kimmage/Walsh need some dollars too. They´ll write a book or two too.

 

[TubularBills]

As I recall SCA lost the first time because the contract didn't have stipulations about doping. I'm not sure how they could sue now.

Googled a link, here you go:

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...-case-against-ArmstrongUS-Postal-Service.aspx

"Armstrong took legal action and eventually won because the original SCA Promotions contract didn’t include stipulations about doping. The company ended up paying the sum in question as well as an additional $2.5 million in interest and legal fees."

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...ArmstrongUS-Postal-Service.aspx#ixzz24QxajLp1

SCA has 12 Million reasons to go for the jugular - accept a reduced settlement? Inconceivable. They'll want every dollar.

With attorney's costs, LA can't afford to it.

& this is just lawsuit # 1.

Walsh... Sunday Times... Andreu's, defamation of character & lost earnings...

Sir Bankrupt.

 

[formerlyfastfreddyp]

Let Tim know how you feel...

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[Turner29]

There might be one way for the USADA to publicly state some evidence against Armstrong without potentially running afoul of various procedures it is bound to -- that with the Biological Passport violations.

They might be able to provide specific numbers there to support a violation, much the same way if, for example, he failed a T/E testing:

By showing a T/E ratio in excess of XYZ, the defendant violated Section ABC.1 of....

 

[OldManThyme]

Given the millions at stake, SCA will sue but as I said, I cannot see LA allowing any testimony in a public forum, so he will settle.

And SCA has to accept the settlement offer and step down?

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Oh the HORROR! The Nevada City Crit now has no winner!

 

[QuickStepper]

Just reminds me of SCA.
It would be great if they sue Armstrong, b/c he is no TdF winner anymore. Now the witness must become public.
All up to SCA now (once the titles are stripped)...
If i´d be SCA, i´d side with USADA.

This has been kicked around all over this forum and I think SCA has no claim against Armstrong at this point, and they will do nothing, and they will not file any litigation against Armstrong trying to get back their money.

First of all, the SCA proceeding was an arbitrated matter. Second, it did not go to a judgment, and thus there is nothing for any jidicial body to set aside. Armstrong, despite what the media may have misreported did not "win" the case, nor did he get an "award". The case settled.
This means that Armstrong/Tailwinds and SCA signed a settlement agreement, in which neither side admitted liability to the other, and I am 99.9% positive that in settling their arbitration claim, the parties' executed a mutual, general release of any and all claims that either party had against the other, forever and for all time.

No court anywhere is going to go behind a negotiated settlement agreement to try to figure out if one side or the other made misrepresentations, nor will a court try to figure out whether a party's "belief" about why it was settling constituted a reasonable belief based on fact, or whether the party acted unreasonably. Court's don't do this because it defeats the very purpose of settling disputes and would mean that no settlement would ever be final or free from collateral attack. So I think anyone who mentions the SCA case is barking up the wrong tree when it comes to trying to set aside a negotiated settlement of a contract dispute that was submitted to arbitration and resolved almost 7 years ago.

 

[Turner29]

SCA has 12 Million reasons to go for the jugular - accept a reduced settlement? Inconceivable. They'll want every dollar.

There is never a guarantee of winning and Armstrong's settlement offer might be very substantial.

 

[MarkvW]

Doping is a Faustian pact, particularly with a good works (LA Foundation) "cover" story following and misdirecting the attention of others regarding the pact. That's evident.

How old are the Festina-era dopers now? Pretty soon we'll see the other side of the bargain for some of them.