USADA - Armstrong

[goober]

Armstrong just linked this article:

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/spor...rosecutor-jury-and-judge-lance-armstrong-case

USADA is a government program masquerading as a non-profit organization. This non-profit status allows it to investigate and prosecute athletes without affording them the constitutional and due process protections required of other federal agencies. This status also allows it to prosecute athletes with a lower burden of proof than the “beyond a reasonable doubt” standard that would have been required in the previous investigation by the USDOJ. Finally, it allows a situation where the same man, Mr. Travis T. Tygart is allowed to serve as Prosecutor, Jury and Judge in the investigation of Lance Armstrong.

Do I think Mr. Tygart has some kind of personal vendetta against Lance? My personal opinion is yes, but I also think actions sometime speak louder than words. The 2012 London Olympic Games are a little more than a month away. Mr. Tygart and his staff are responsible for testing all US athletes headed to the games. However, he has chosen to use the majority of his offices resources investigating whether a retired cyclist doped 16 years ago.

The investigation and sanctioning process at the USADA is unconscionable. The partiality of the prosecutor, the lack of due process for the accused, and the lack of an independent fact finder are completely at odds with our American system of justice and fairness.

In the words of Heinlein, “To give a man power without accountability is to establish a tyrant.”

Any idea who Tim Dockery is?

 

[mewmewmew13]

Still nothing filed in Federal court. Looks like tomorrow's meeting will go on uncontested.

Wonderboy, all talk no action.

What is the last possible minute they can submit?

 

[andy1234]

In the modern context, since 1993, how many WC or PR winners have also won a GT GC? You're welcome to include Armstrong on that list if you'd like - although the official status of that is subject to change.

Lets get a more historical view on this and go back to 1980.

Hinault
LeMond
Zoetmelk
Saronni
Bugno
Roche
Olano
Armstrong
Evans

So a little less than 1 in 3 world pro road champs were also GT winners in the last 31 years.

 

[Weapons of @ss Destruction]

Lets get a more historical view on this and go back to 1980.

Um no, let's not go back to 1980. The reasons for that are pretty clear in the context of this discussion.

 

[131313]

Any idea who Tim Dockery is?

I think he's the dude who scribbled out that "facts4lance" website in crayon.

 

[Epicycle]

Any idea who Tim Dockery is?

The last person who pointedly used "Travis T." Tygart (travesty...get it?) was Floyd's buddy Will Geoghegan, the guy who tried to use Lemond's secret history of being sexually abused against Greg to keep him from testifying against Floyd. Anyway, Tim Dockery obviously gets the process wrong. Tygart doesn't decide whether Lance is guilty of doping or not, that's done with an arbitration hearing.

 

[thehog]

Wow, read the comments section. Either this is a website for people with the guilibility of a 12 year old, or it is filled with paid schills, or... are we really that stupid ?

Some of you with more time/patience than I have should go there and refute.

It’s a classic. I wonder how much Armstrong paid for this article? It’s a big publication.

I haven’t had a chance to read it but the “Milwaukee Pit Bull Jumps Off Balcony, Attacks Dog Walker and Dog” article looks good also.

 

[goober]

It’s a classic. I wonder how much Armstrong paid for this article? It’s a big publication.

I haven’t had a chance to read it but the “Milwaukee Pit Bull Jumps Off Balcony, Attacks Dog Walker and Dog” article looks good also.

Hope he did not pay more than $100.

News is Lance has responded to USADA - I do not have reliable contact on this yet - just comment I heard.

 

[Hugh Januss]

The last person who pointedly used "Travis T." Tygart (travesty...get it?) was Floyd's buddy Will Geoghegan, the guy who tried to use Lemond's secret history of being sexually abused against Greg to keep him from testifying against Floyd. Anyway, Tim Dockery obviously gets the process wrong. Tygart doesn't decide whether Lance is guilty of doping or not, that's done with an arbitration hearing.

It is also not a court of Law it is an organization upholding the rules that every athlete agrees to abide by when they sign up for a competion license.

 

[thehog]

Hope he did not pay more than $100.

News is Lance has responded to USADA - I do not have reliable contact on this yet - just comment I heard.

I want facts4lance back online now!

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

"He was a one-day rider. I thought he could never, ever, win the Tour de France. Even he wouldn't have thought he could have won the Tour. He couldn't climb and he couldn't time trial, two things you have to do to win the Tour."
- Phil Anderson

 

[andy1234]

Um no, let's not go back to 1980. The reasons for that are pretty clear in the context of this discussion.

You select the criteria that makes the point you are trying to make and I will choose mine
The reasons for making the comparison from 1993 onwards only,are not clear.

Non EPO gen tour winners were also extremely succesful in the pro worlds.
The EPO years have skewed that statistic, but not for Armstrong.

 

[The Gnome]

The Dockery "article" is ridiculous...and if Armstrong is paying for this sorta stuff he is in a pretty sorry state...he twits "tim dockery nailed it!" lol...if this is nailing it, I wonder what he would consider a fail...

"The current director’s are apparently impressed with Tygart and his “Tygarthian” prosecution style of accusing first and looking for evidence later. Unless Mr. Tygart received a pay cut last year, he’s been paid a total of over $1.2 million in compensation and $100,000 in bonuses over the past four years. The spokesperson at the USADA did respond to my e-mail, but she declined to comment whether Tygart’s bonuses were tied to finding a certain number of athletes or a particularly high profile athlete guilty of doping"...

gee, so they didn't even respond huh to that last "question"? go figure...so all this just might be Tygart's way of going for a bonus? Yeah Lance, your guy really "nailed it"...

 

[TexPat]

It is also not a court of Law it is an organization upholding the rules that every athlete agrees to abide by when they sign up for a competion license.

..which Wee Willy Stapleton reportedly help draft.

 

[thehog]

The Dockery "article" is ridiculous...and if Armstrong is paying for this sorta stuff he is in a pretty sorry state...he twits "tim dockery nailed it!" lol...if this is nailing it, I wonder what he would consider a fail...

"The current director’s are apparently impressed with Tygart and his “Tygarthian” prosecution style of accusing first and looking for evidence later. Unless Mr. Tygart received a pay cut last year, he’s been paid a total of over $1.2 million in compensation and $100,000 in bonuses over the past four years. The spokesperson at the USADA did respond to my e-mail, but she declined to comment whether Tygart’s bonuses were tied to finding a certain number of athletes or a particularly high profile athlete guilty of doping"...

gee, so they didn't even respond huh to that last "question"? go figure...so all this just might be Tygart's way of going for a bonus? Yeah Lance, your guy really "nailed it"...

Dockery might want to look into the SCA arbitration and learn about "nailing it"

 

[Race Radio]

So some Tri geek signs up to some unknown website, posts a bunch of lies, and within hours there are dozens of comments from loyal fans?

They need to dial it back, it is getting too obvious

 

[goober]

So some Tri geek signs up to some unknown website, posts a bunch of lies, and within hours there are dozens of comments from loyal fans?

They need to dial it back, it is getting too obvious

Is Tim a tri-geek? I just find it interesting that Dockery signed up and posted that less than and hour and a half before Lance tweeted - hmmm.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Is Tim a tri-geek? I just find it interesting that Dockery signed up and posted that less than and hour and a half before Lance tweeted - hmmm.

Maybe Lance is combing the interwebs 24/7 looking for anything favorable (?) that he can pass on.

 

[The Gnome]

well, Lance did twit "please read" to the legion...the guy is getting sadder by the day...do peds rot your brain I wonder? I almost expect him to come out with something along the lines of "They can take away my tour wins, I am a big boy and I know the truth...but those wins were for all the cancer survivors and those who fought the truly tough fight and lost and I can't let them do that to them."

 

[Kennf1]

Is Tim a tri-geek? I just find it interesting that Dockery signed up and posted that less than and hour and a half before Lance tweeted - hmmm.

Well, if you Google "Armstrong USADA" the Dockery article is the first thing that comes up.

So either the interns are doing Google searches every half hour and notifying Lance, or ...

 

[ElChingon]

I want facts4lance back online now!

Someone should parody it, heck the site itself was comedy gold.

 

[Race Radio]

Is Tim a tri-geek? I just find it interesting that Dockery signed up and posted that less than and hour and a half before Lance tweeted - hmmm.

Things are getting pretty desperate if his best strategy is getting groupies to spew out lies.

 

[Jeremiah]

Let's...goooo....slooowwwlllyy...

First off, he was already heavily doped with cortisone, and steroids.

You understand what Bassons had to say about being treated with Kenacort injections for his knee problem?

Bassons realized that not only did it take the pain out of his knee, he was riding stronger than before the injury. He didn't compete until the drug's performance enhancing effects had diminished about two weeks later. This is part of what earned him the derisive "Mr. Clean," tag.

Secondly, Armstrong was young, but Fignon, Hinault, Coppi, Bartali, Ullrich, LeMond, Anquetil, Merckx, were also young, and either winning, or fully capable of winning GT's in their early to mid twenties.

Absolutely no one, not even Armstrong himself believed he could win a GT until the Hog supposedly told him so in late 1998. Armstrong was 27 at the time and the thought of winning the Tour never even entered his mind!

Please stop the silliness.

The drugs affects had diminished? How did you come up with that? You mean, it cleared his system a day or two before about 3hrs after he stopped using it? Or his HPTA after extended use was supressed and now he was at what would be a normal level?

Mr. Clean? I don't think you understand the pharmacological affects of corticosteroids, their life span in the body, and how your body reacts to them over an extended period of time.

So your entire paragraph really makes no sense regarding the use of "Kenocort".

Was it topical? Injected? Oral? Not that it really matters, the drug would be out of your system, as almost all corticosteroids in a day/two at most, that are commonly used amongst dopers.

We'll start with the spelling.

http://www.virtualmedicalcentre.com/drugs.asp?drugid=2119&title=kenacort-a



Tip for you. When you use "Google" and type in "Kenocort," the correct spelling of "Kenacort" comes up.

Second, take a quaalude, relax, and read what I wrote. He had an injection of Kenacort. I'm sorry, that's singular, one injection.

I'm telling you about what Bassons self reported after his Kenacort injection.

http://books.google.com/books?id=zJ...MUH&sqi=2&ved=0CF4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

Read page 142 if you'd like.

 

[pedaling squares]

Greg Nicholson's reply on Armstrong's twitter account was perfect.

Greg Nicholson ‏@gdnicholson
@lancearmstrong I'd say Ashenden nailed it: http://nyvelocity.com/content/interviews/2009/michael-ashenden …

Greg Nicholson ‏@gdnicholson
@Velocentric A google search finds Tim Dockery is from Austin, Tx and works for Network Funding LP. ‪#connectthedots‬

 

[Love the Scenery]

Well, if you Google "Armstrong USADA" the Dockery article is the first thing that comes up.

So either the interns are doing Google searches every half hour and notifying Lance, or ...

WOW. An opinion piece (not even a news article) is the top hit on Google for "Armstrong USADA." I see 6,400 Facebook likes on the article. Further, Matt Seaton's opinion piece in the Guardian is prominently featured in 6th place, the one that basically says he has Armstrong fatigue and would everyone please give it up. However, Seaton's article does not state how many FB likes it has, though it does have only 22 FB shares. Two favorable opinion pieces in the top six hits.