USADA - Armstrong

[BillytheKid]

I think he might have told them a porky that all this wouldn’t eventuate. That it was over. Pants on fire indeed.

Your singular focus fascinates me. With so many fish in the sea...

 

[MarkvW]

In al seriousness, I am still missing the link between The Hogmeister being served and the USADA affair.
Is there or is there not a criminal angle to this mess?

There is clearly the Floyd Fraud Fund investigation, but there might be something more. I think there is something more because I can't think of any reason why Bruyneel would be a part of the Fraud Fund case--at least to the extent where he has to be intercepted and served at an airport.

Bruyneel's airport adventure could be a part of the USADA drama, but I'd bet against it.

Whether or not there is actually a criminal angle to this mess, Lance and his lawyers at all times have to worry that there might be a criminal angle to this mess. And a criminal lawyer would surely give Lance this one piece of advice right now: STFU. Interesting to see what happens.

 

[thehog]

Morning guys, did I miss anything?

I thought this was a cycling forum, why are we talking about some age group Tri -Geek?

There's only 12 people here.

 

[mewmewmew13]

wow just logged in this morning! It's going to take a while to catch up
I'm off for a ride but so much to see......
cheers

btw haven't seen so many online for a long time

 

[oldcrank]

Why does the USADA love cancer so much?

 

[techknowgn]

OK, I'm sure all those absolutely negligible differences are the reason, no double standards or anything.

The negative publicity bit you mention is what I'm getting at, but I wouldn't call it "avoiding negative publicity", I'd call it "being a spineless hypocrite", or "being David Millar".

Millions of people see Lance as a courageous cancer fighter and not at all as a former cyclist who doped in both cycling and tri. Why would you put yourself out there against that in a sport where you have almost no positive goodwill as it was. Even JV hasnt come out that strongly, because they cant offput potential sponsors.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Holy shit, you mean Lance Armstrong used PED's?

No - of course not.

Firstly Lance has not had the opportunity to defend himself in front of a jury of his peers, which would be a waste of tax payers dollars.

Greg LeMond found 10 people to say our Lance took EPO. These are all bitter ex employees who have axis of evil to grind.
Also theses allegations are old news with some going back as far as 2010.
Even if Lance did take drugs it was because those on the podium doped and Lance felt that he had to do the same, so it's there fault. As Lance has done a lot of good (for Nike, Oakley, Michelob) then any drug use would and should be allowed.
Going after this one man will kill cycling - yes, it will be banned everywhere, there will be chaos in China and this will start a World War.


Also if you follow the sport then it is actually your fault because you demanded that he do it (you did admit it)

So, did Lance take PEDs, perhaps - are you guilty? Yes
Shame on you. You killed cycling.

 

[ManInFull]

Why does the USADA love cancer so much?

Great joke. It's right up there with wasting taxpayer money on the investigation. Armstrong, even as a confirmed doper, can still inspire cancer patients to take control of their treatment and to truly fight the disease. Yes, that number is likely to shrink.

 

[BillytheKid]

“fully consistent with blood manipulation including EPO use and/or blood transfusions.”

I'd love to know what "fully consistent" means in terms of real evidence or if that just the opinion of an expert. The question here is if that's the ruling minus a trial by jury, and merely the opinion of an expert or a sub-group of experts, it is purely subjective and will probalbly be challenged in court by the Lance and his group of experts....dueling expertus.

Man I can't wait!

And all on the eve the Tour. Boy, you might think that someone does not like the sport or people popping big bucks for bikes and all.
I might as well go back to sitting on the sofa watching the big three while choking down hotdogs, slurping beer and some good nachos.... just what some other interests would like.

 

[hrotha]

Millions of people see Lance as a courageous cancer fighter and not at all as a former cyclist who doped in both cycling and tri. Why would you put yourself out there against that in a sport where you have almost no positive goodwill as it was. Even JV hasnt come out that strongly, because they cant offput potential sponsors.

Yes, yes, I understand talking against Riccò is a lot easier than talking against Armstrong. That's the whole point.

If they don't have the balls to be consistent, they should have kept their mouths shut about the likes of Riccò.

JV for example didn't bash Riccò. He kind of defended him from the personal abuse that was being thrown at him.

 

[mikkemus23]

“To all the cynics, I'm sorry for you, ... I'm sorry you can't believe in miracles. This is a great sporting event and hard work wins it.”

“If you consider my situation: a guy who comes back from arguably, you know, a death sentence, why would I then enter into a sport and dope myself up and risk my life again? That's crazy. I would never do that. No. No way.”

“I am happy with the way my career went and I am happy with the way it ended.”

“Without the illness I would never have been forced to re-evaluate my life and my career. I know if I had not had cancer, I would not have won the Tour de France.”

“If you dominate a world sport you will always have questions and doubts. Perhaps at the end of the day we were too successful. When you win the Tour once, twice, seven times, it is just too hard to believe.”

Yeah, we`ll see how it ends, Lance!

 

[Neworld]

The sport WILL be better than it is now, for sure. It ebbs and flows!

Mr. Polish,

Is it SSDD today?

Must say you're pretty quiet.

SCA, UCI, reopening of many old civil and corporate cases...nothing to talk about? Humm

I wonder if Lance will end up apologizing to Simieoni, Lemond, Kimmage, Emma O, M. Anderson, the pack fill, Landis, Hamilton...

 

[21switchbacks]

No negative publicity to be generated to be be all over a guy who is a complete trainwreck. Plus Ricco kept trying to race and was essentially always around, where lance took his ball and went home.

I see what you did there.

 

[Cloxxki]

Millions of people see Lance as a courageous cancer fighter

They are unable to remove his cycling and now triathlon history, and see what's left.

A guy who charges 6 figures to show his face and talk for an hour or so. Flies a company jet to do so. Commits all kinds of wrongs outside the sport, but hides behind the people he's supposed to be fighting for.
Behaves like a rabid bulldog on twitter. Sends his 7-figure lawyers to everyone who dares speak badly of him, or even state statements others made at his address, and were prepared to take an oath on.

Take away the sport factor, and not much, becomes very little. That's why he went on to tri, because without sports results he is less than a nobody. Not even charitable really. All he might have left going for himself is that he's not bad looking for a guy his height, and usually brings a hot girl along for the show. All surface, no content.

 

[Jagers]

I have no intent to hi-jack this thread, but I recall someone going into great detail with a list of (alleged) Armstrong doping 'positives'. I've tried to do a search but came up with nothing. Can someone direct me to that thread/post? TIA!

 

[Fourier]

A good read (that has nothing to do with LA directly) is "Three Cups of Deceit" by Jon Krakauer.
Maybe someone like Mr. Krakauer should take on the Livestrong story and see what comes out.
Edit: 60 minutes also did a story on this but I think that the 60 minutes piece on LA totally overlooked the aspect of the Foundation and Livestrong etc.

 

[DirtyWorks]

in a way, these charges are far more devastating because they not only re-iterated the fraud and conspiracy charges pursued by novi, but they directly accuse the key fraudster of doping as it always should have been.

the tour of switzerland cover up is likely going to be the biggest follow up story
that will have the uci heads roll down.

To the bolded, to pull off a scam the scale of Wonderboy requires many behind the scenes people. Very sophisticated stuff! Wonderboy is the public face of the fraud. To give you an example, Wonderboy could never come up with the liveswrong.com/.org scam. That story may never get addressed though as it is out of USADA's area.

It would be nice if the UCI's suppressing negatives was actually addressed. The UCI obviously tried to suppress a positive with Contador again and that story never took off.

Make no mistake, this is all good developments. But the problem is so much bigger that it's important not to be satisfied with this one, old matter.

 

[Escarabajo]

I have no intent to hi-jack this thread, but I recall someone going into great detail with a list of (alleged) Armstrong doping 'positives'. I've tried to do a search but came up with nothing. Can someone direct me to that thread/post? TIA!

Team up with Armstrong team and try to explain that to USADA. This is a forum, we don't care.

 

[seatpost]

Bobke's take

Not sure if this has been posted here yet, but here is todays NBC spot on the matter.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/47803607/ns/sports-cycling/

 

[Jagers]

Team up with Armstrong team and try to explain that to USADA. This is a forum, we don't care.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I have no sympathy for Lance... I simply would like to reference the list I mentioned to a friend.

 

[WinterRider]

Wow. I haven't logged in here in months. I must say, the back and forth here is pretty f'ing disappointing. Shouldn't be too surprised, I suppose, based on the downward spiral that this forum has been over the past year or so.

Congratulations to the gate keepers, and especially to those who just can't resist responding to every, single, daily, *** display of idiocy.

Anyway, I'll just leave you with a little observation of my own. You're welcome.

(Actually, Thank You, RR)

Thanks, I've been avoiding the clinic lately, but now I wish I hadn't. Sounds like some have known what was coming, unlike the rest of us who have just been hoping for something to happen.

I for one am enjoying the show immensely.

 

[MarkvW]

Not sure if this has been posted here yet, but here is todays NBC spot on the matter.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/47803607/ns/sports-cycling/

Bob Roll is SUCH a neutral and disinterested 'analyst.'

 

[spetsa]

If LA chooses to contest this in front of the USADA, and witnesses are called to testify, does anyone know if the transcripts are made public?

On another note, I bet Dylan is busy boy this morning, making sure all google searches direct you to LA's response.

 

[D-Queued]

USADA = Little Yellow Eraser

Dave.

 

[Benotti69]

another one of the omerta upholders scribbling in the guardian

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/bike-blog/2012/jun/14/lance-armstrong-usada-doping-charges

reason cycling gets away with doping is guys like this thinking it is part of the past. look at his idiot responses to comments.