USADA - Armstrong

[Race Radio]

Huh?

I don't think George was called or testified, and I think the reason the wording regarding all of the other US riders who were called testifying, is used is to try and insinuate one is GH....what else was I supposed to be pretending I meant?

I think George did, as did Levi, and Kevin, and a bunch of others,,,,but they are just bitter

 

[Race Radio]

Race Radio....

I am going to add a rider to something I said before regarding LA fighting....if the WTC allows him to continue racing, which is a distinct possibility then, and only then might he just walk away from the USADA case.

Some interesting further reading here :http://www.slowtwitch.com/News/Armstrong_s_Ironman_Ban_Not_Necessarily_a_Done_Deal_2853.html

"In a poll currently ongoing, 72 percent of Slowtwitchers feel WTC should set aside its current policy and allow Armstrong to race pending the outcome of his NADO hearings"

I know you are particular fond of the speedos Race, so I added it just for you

Of course, all doping sanctions should be a popularity contest. The best media strategy wins

 

[Anonymous]

Lance, Ricco AND Rumsas. The three doped egos.

Really, it's Rumsas' grandmother who should be doing the gran fondos.

But Lance will get help from former minion Jamie Burrow. So he's got a leg up.

What's the appearance fee for an Italian GF?

 

[Benotti69]

But Lance will get help from former minion Jamie Burrow. So he's got a leg up.

What's the appearance fee for an Italian GF?

Considering Armstrong ignored most of their races cant see it would be more than a few euros.

 

[mewmewmew13]

WTC may change policy for ironman lance
Armstrong's Ironman Ban Not Necessarily a Done Deal

What do you want to bet that Armstrong is threatening them...

 

[straydog]

Why would USADA not call George, knowing from the 60 minutes show that he testified before the GJ? Give me one reason why they would not call him?

Except GH denied he ever spoke to 60 minutes and has never revealed anything that was said to the GJ. And if anything he said was so damning, then why no charges?

 

[Polish]

WTC may change policy for ironman lance
Armstrong's Ironman Ban Not Necessarily a Done Deal

Thank you for the link krebs303.

I wonder if it is still possible that Lance can race France. The fans and competitors there must hoping for the best - Lance racing. Not sure when that race is. Or if Lance has already come back from France. I hope he is still there training.

Hopefully the WTC will make the right decision.
Lance race France! Lance race France!

 

[hrotha]

What do you want to bet that Armstrong is threatening them...

He probably isn't, but they can smell the money. Ad hoc legislation is always a bit silly, but in this particular case it's completely ridiculous.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Except GH denied he ever spoke to 60 minutes and has never revealed anything that was said to the GJ. And if anything he said was so damning, then why no charges?

He was quick to say he did not talk to60 minutes - but I don't remember him denying what they said.

As for your second question - that was well covered in other threads here when that case was dropped. However if Armstrong does go down that question may be asked by a lot of people....

 

[krebs303]

What do you want to bet that Armstrong is threatening them...

No mew it's the jangle of silver. Lance would be a cash cow. Probably the most watched IM ever. I'm sure

 

[Denizen]

Except GH denied he ever spoke to 60 minutes and has never revealed anything that was said to the GJ. And if anything he said was so damning, then why no charges?

Criminal charges would have been related to Fraud/Embezzlement; as far as I'm aware doping isn't a federal crime in the US. This will be the reason the investigation was dropped.

 

[ChrisE]

Exactly. Lance was racing all over the USA during 2009/2010. Gila, Nevada City, SanFrancisco to the City of the Angels. All over the USA. And whereabouts for OOC tests 24/7.

And no failed tests. The best the USADA can come up with is "blood values consistent with doping"? Give me a break. Give...Me...A...Break. Sounds more consistent with witch hunting if you ask me.

Yes Polish, but they didn't realize his 09 and 10 blood values were consistent with doping while he was racing.

Apparently a lobotomy happened in May 2010 lol. Which goes back to my first point in this thread....screw all the ineffective testing and just wait for LA to pis somebody off. Bingo! AAF!

 

[Merckx index]

Except GH denied he ever spoke to 60 minutes and has never revealed anything that was said to the GJ.

So now you want to imply that 60 minutes was lying when they claimed that George implicated LA in doping? 60 minutes did not say they spoke to George, they only said George testified about LA doping. George never denied that he testified, he only denied that he ever told anyone that he testified, or what he testified—much as one would expect him to do. Nothing George said then or since is in the slightest bit inconsistent with the 60 minutes revelations.

And if anything he said was so damning, then why no charges?

What do you think that fifteen page letter is about? If you mean why no federal charges, that was a criminal investigation, we have no reason to believe George's testimony would have been helpful with that.

A better question might be, if George did not implicate LA in doping as 60 minutes claimed he did, why has neither George nor LA sued the program? LA did make a lot of unhappy noises after that program was aired, but they stood by their story, and that was the end of it.

 

[Anonymous]

He probably isn't, but they can smell the money. Ad hoc legislation is always a bit silly, but in this particular case it's completely ridiculous.

Oh I don't know.... If WTC throws out their stated policy the LA may not respond to USADA. If that happens he's basically declaring no contest. Which is the same as guilty.

LA gets exposed and stripped without any other BS from his high priced legal goon squad. Plus, Bruyneel and the others will either fight it out or go away.

LA walking away might be pure gold.

I could be wrong though.

 

[ChrisE]

yes I read that too...."multiple" being more than one....so possibly just two....the super heroes Floyd and Tyler.

Honestly, if USADA weren't clutching at straws and hoping he'd cave, they would have released the exact number and even possibly names, instead of trying to sound ominous with the word "multiple". What they are hoping is that Lance is as gullible as some on here seem to be.

I think you are forgetting about GH.

BTW, welcome back. I was getting tired.

 

[straydog]

Yes Polish, but they didn't realize his 09 and 10 blood values were consistent with doping while he was racing.

Apparently a lobotomy happened in May 2010 lol. Which goes back to my first point in this thread....screw all the ineffective testing and just wait for LA to pis somebody off. Bingo! AAF!

ha ha....+1. Couldn't have said it better myself

Maybe USADA could only afford interns to do the testing in 09-10

 

[straydog]

I think you are forgetting about GH.

BTW, welcome back. I was getting tired.

Cheers....thought you might be. And see my earlier posts regarding GH.

 

[ChrisE]

perjury?...since when is any of this taking place in a court of law?

not being a lawyer makes you put me on ignore....your logic is sound my friend....clearly you are one.

And if ignoring dissenting voices to your fantasies is what makes it easier for you to have them....then please be my guest

DW even has a cute little ignore list in his sig for people that have different opinions than him. You've made it, my friend.

 

[mewmewmew13]

No mew it's the jangle of silver. Lance would be a cash cow. Probably the most watched IM ever. I'm sure

That's exactly what I mean Krebby. He is heavily 'reminding' them about the bags of cash that will come from him competing and what would happen if that went away.

Also, does anyone really think that he would just step back and have absolutely no control or input in a decision that was being mulled over??

 

[Hawkwood]

Just looked up doping and Armstrong on French Google and found this webpage http://www.cyclisme-dopage.com/portraits/armstrong.htm
lots of info in one place

 

[Anonymous]

Just looked up doping and Armstrong on French Google and found this webpage http://www.cyclisme-dopage.com/portraits/armstrong.htm
lots of info in one place

Thanks. I forgot that De Moral was the doctor that backdated the Cortico TUE back in 1999.

 

[krebs303]

Just looked up doping and Armstrong on French Google and found this webpage http://www.cyclisme-dopage.com/portraits/armstrong.htm
lots of info in one place

Here in English
http://www.dopeology.org/people/Lance_Armstrong/

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Yes Polish, but they didn't realize his 09 and 10 blood values were consistent with doping while he was racing.

Apparently a lobotomy happened in May 2010 lol. Which goes back to my first point in this thread....screw all the ineffective testing and just wait for LA to pis somebody off. Bingo! AAF!

Thanks for chiming in - as you got me to have a look back at the Tour of California in 09 & 10. USADA didn't do the testing in those years, it was done by the UCI a situation that Tygart called the "fox guarding the henhouse"

 

[straydog]

DW even has a cute little ignore list in his sig for people that have different opinions than him. You've made it, my friend.

I feel so special.

As to MewMewmew's assertion that LA is reminding WTC, as a means of some kind of intimidation. Your logic is absurd. Maybe do a bit of reading on why Messick asked LA to race Ironman events. And then maybe have a look at the resulting media attention that has been brought to Ironman as a result of his participation and the ensuing sponsor dollars pouring into the coffers. Do you really think LA is ringing up the WTC saying " If you ban me, you are going to lose so much money?" Really? you think that? Like, really?

It is much more likely that WTC are desperately looking at their doping rules to try and find a way to not have to suspend him. I sincerely doubt he is having to do any begging.

 

[straydog]

Thanks for chiming in - as you got me to have a look back at the Tour of California in 09 & 10. USADA didn't do the testing in those years, it was done by the UCI a situation that Tygart called the "fox guarding the henhouse"

Mas...you are slipping....have a look at all of LA's blood tests from 09-10, not just California....USADA did plenty.