USADA - Armstrong

[patricknd]

Mas...you are slipping....have a look at all of LA's blood tests from 09-10, not just California....USADA did plenty.

so is usada incompetent (couldn't catch him) or complicit (wouldn't catch him)?

boggles the mind

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Mas...you are slipping....have a look at all of LA's blood tests from 09-10, not just California....USADA did plenty.

17 tests in total from 2008 - 2010, wouldn't call that plenty.

 

[straydog]

so is usada incompetent (couldn't catch him) or complicit (wouldn't catch him)?

boggles the mind

well clearly the first option is true, judging by the humungous fishing trip they are going on with their sanctions. Any poker player will tell you, if you have Aces pre flop you don't raise all in, you try and cook the pot, sucker the money in. Anyone who does is most likely bluffing.

 

[mewmewmew13]

I feel so special.

As to MewMewmew's assertion that LA is reminding WTC, as a means of some kind of intimidation. Your logic is absurd. Maybe do a bit of reading on why Messick asked LA to race Ironman events. And then maybe have a look at the resulting media attention that has been brought to Ironman as a result of his participation and the ensuing sponsor dollars pouring into the coffers. Do you really think LA is ringing up the WTC saying " If you ban me, you are going to lose so much money?" Really? you think that? Like, really?

It is much more likely that WTC are desperately looking at their doping rules to try and find a way to not have to suspend him. I sincerely doubt he is having to do any begging.

Bingo.
Frantically even. Prolly feeling absolutely no pressure at all.

I am so sorry that you are always a couple beats behind on what folks are really saying.

The word 'begging' was never spoken btw.

 

[ChrisE]

so is usada incompetent (couldn't catch him) or complicit (wouldn't catch him)?

boggles the mind

Neither, my friend.

Ferrari's magic conspiracy dust was spread all over the testing terrain, making the USADA's task impossible you see.

I see vortex has pointed out USADA tested him 17 times from 08-10. All of those apparently didn't show manipulation, all magic conspiracy like. Or, did they show manipulation, and it just took the public pressure from FL to kick them in the jimmies, and dilute the magic Ferrari dust?

 

[Race Radio]

ha ha....+1. Couldn't have said it better myself

Maybe USADA could only afford interns to do the testing in 09-10

Most know that USADA was only in charge of testing for 6 months of Lance's 1st career

 

[Race Radio]

well clearly the first option is true, judging by the humungous fishing trip they are going on with their sanctions. Any poker player will tell you, if you have Aces pre flop you don't raise all in, you try and cook the pot, sucker the money in. Anyone who does is most likely bluffing.

Fishing trip? When you have 10 direct witnesses it is like shooting fish in a barrel. Or in your case trolling a message board....

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Neither, my friend.

Ferrari's magic conspiracy dust was spread all over the testing terrain, making the USADA's task impossible you see.

I see vortex has pointed out USADA tested him 17 times from 08-10. All of those apparently didn't show manipulation, all magic conspiracy like. Or, did they show manipulation, and it just took the public pressure from FL to kick them in the jimmies, and dilute the magic Ferrari dust?

Hi Chris,
Like Straydog you need to read the letter as again it is explained in it:

Lance Armstrongs doping is further evidenced by the data from the blood collections obtained by the UCI from Lance Armstrong in 2009 and 2010.

Amazing how the UCI couldn't see what USADA see.

 

[patricknd]

Neither, my friend.

Ferrari's magic conspiracy dust was spread all over the testing terrain, making the USADA's task impossible you see.

I see vortex has pointed out USADA tested him 17 times from 08-10. All of those apparently didn't show manipulation, all magic conspiracy like. Or, did they show manipulation, and it just took the public pressure from FL to kick them in the jimmies, and dilute the magic Ferrari dust?

maybe the protection payment was late.

i'm not sure if i should be talking to you, you are on the dirtyworks ignore list

 

[D-Queued]

17 tests in total from 2008 - 2010, wouldn't call that plenty.

Adding these to the 60 or so (or less?) prior to that, how do we get to 500?

Edit to add: Is Lance including the Carmichael (Comical... I like that) lactate finger *** tests into his increasingly inflated total?

Dave.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

But Lance will get help from former minion Jamie Burrow. So he's got a leg up.

What's the appearance fee for an Italian GF?

I bet Lance would settle for Simeoni's liver and a nice Chianti.

 

[Race Radio]

It appears some are confused about the Biopassport. It is a UCI program and it was their tests that showed that Armstrong has suspect blood values.

WADA has received complaints in recent months from several individuals and representatives of antidoping organizations who have raised concerns about the UCI's oversight.

This person said antidoping officials are particularly concerned about the status of five professional riders who were flagged for doping in December but have not yet been sanctioned by the UCI. The riders, whose names are known only to the UCI, were determined to be doping by an independent committee of nine scientists and experts that was appointed by the UCI to review data from blood and urine tests.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703309704575413732974367988.html

 

[lostintime]

Everything is speculation right now.

USADA evidence ... what is it? More than 10 people ? Until you really know what was testified to , you cannot say.

There's a lot of emotion on both sides.

Will cycling be better off ? We'll just have to play out. But as I see it, everyone is projecting their personal feelings into this, and that surely makes it fascinating.

Right/wrong. It depends who you ask.
I prefer ... positive and negative. Positive being integrative and a coming together. Negative being divisive and splitting apart. What we see here is all degrees of these forces at play. I see only one thing for certain .... we each believe what we do as truth, and are "right" in that truth. Yet we are "wrong" to others because it is not their "truth" .... and few are willing to see that both are both right AND wrong at the same time, as most want to "win". At what cost ? Look at how some people are treating each other here to win in their "rightness" . Just because it's been that way.. doesn't mean it has to BE that way again. Ever our choice.

 

[ChrisE]

Hi Chris,
Like Straydog you need to read the letter as again it is explained in it:

Amazing how the UCI couldn't see what USADA see.

Ooops vortex. In response to straydog saying "USADA did plenty" of testing, you replied with this:

17 tests in total from 2008 - 2010, wouldn't call that plenty

I live back in the woods you see, the woman and the kids and the dog and me. So, I'm not too smart. But it seems now you say only UCI did testing and only the USADA could see the evil values. Are you caught up in one of your whirlpools?

Anyway, wiki says this about USADA:

The organization is charged with managing the anti-doping program for U.S. Olympic, Paralympic, Pan-American and ParaPan American sport. Its work includes in-competition and out-of-competition testing, the results management and adjudication process....

So, WTF were they doing for all those dark years when LA was depriving rightful winners like Beloki, JU, Basso etc from their clean glory?

Were they too busy wiping the magic Ferrari doping concealment conspiracy dust off of their labcoats? Or, did they jump in the Delorean and see this testing will not be required when LA ****es off FL?

 

[MarkvW]

Thanks. I forgot that De Moral was the doctor that backdated the Cortico TUE back in 1999.

That is interesting. That fact pattern is very close to Hellebuyck.

Let's say that the corticosteroid allegation is upheld. What does that, by itself, do to the TdF results in later years?

 

[Hawkwood]

Here in English
http://www.dopeology.org/people/Lance_Armstrong/

I've taken a quick look at that site and it doesn't look the same.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Ooops vortex. In response to straydog saying "USADA did plenty" of testing, you replied with this:



I live back in the woods you see, the woman and the kids and the dog and me. So, I'm not too smart. But it seems now you say only UCI did testing and only the USADA could see the evil values. Are you caught up in one of your whirlpools?

Anyway, wiki says this about USADA:

Hi Chris,
I am sorry to hear that you are not that smart - I will write this slowly, the UCI do the Bio Passport not USADA.

So, WTF were they doing for all those dark years when LA was depriving rightful winners like Beloki, JU, Basso etc from their clean glory?

Were they too busy wiping the magic Ferrari doping concealment conspiracy dust off of their labcoats? Or, did they jump in the Delorean and see this testing will not be required when LA ****es off FL?

USADA did indeed do testing on Armstrong, in fact one time when they made a surprise vist Lance pretended to not be there, wonder why.

 

[Anonymous]

I bet Lance would settle for Simeoni's liver and a nice Chianti.

Man, I just love SOL references.

 

[red_flanders]

Man, I just love SOL references.

The USADA really put the lotion in the basket...

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Front page CNN. Opinion: "Don't forgive Lance Armstrong"

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/15/opinion/pearlman-lance-armstrong/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

I think people will realize that this guy made a mint from selling false hope to cancer victims, which places him in a whole different circle of dopers.

 

[straydog]

17 tests in total from 2008 - 2010, wouldn't call that plenty.

plenty enough to be able to ascertain values consistent with manipulation surely? ?Just, obviously, really really slowly.

And considering Armstrong did most of his racing outside the US, I'd say it counts as plenty.

And how many did he have in total?

 

[Benotti69]

Front page CNN. Opinion: "Don't forgive Lance Armstrong"

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/15/opinion/pearlman-lance-armstrong/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

I think people will realize that this guy made a mint from selling false hope to cancer victims, which places him in a whole different circle of dopers.

Ouch. That wont go down well at LieStrong HQ.

 

[DirtyWorks]

i'm not sure if i should be talking to you, you are on the dirtyworks ignore list

Think of it like a Public Service Announcement! Stop replying to those idi0ts. They crush any legitimate discussion. Which, I guess is the point.

You'll notice MarkVW is not on there. Every once in a while he has come up with a legitimate counterpoint.

Comments are interesting from the CNN Opinion thing. So many people SO confident in dope testing. Amazing.

If Wonderboy needs to go on the offensive, what media would agree to it? My picks are Fox and Glenn Beck. CNN might but it would have to be very rehearsed as many of those interviews already are. It would only be fun if he went off script. Some of you have no idea how rehearsed those segments are. There's always Bicycling and Velo News, but that's scraping the bottom of the barrel for him.

 

[Kennf1]

plenty enough to be able to ascertain values consistent with manipulation surely? ?Just, obviously, really really slowly.

Don't know. It would depend on when those samples (assuming they took blood) were taken. If you don't have values around the "critical" times (e.g. during the Tour, one month before the Tour) you likely won't see the spikes or dips in values that raise red flags of transfusions.

But again, UCI was in charge of the biopassport, not USADA.

 

[pedaling squares]

Think of it like a Public Service Announcement! Stop replying to those idi0ts. They crush any legitimate discussion. Which, I guess is the point.

You'll notice MarkVW is not on there. Every once in a while he has come up with a legitimate counterpoint.

It's a little strange that you suggest we not reply to those members, but you advertise their names in your signature block. That is like waving a flag, it gives them more attention than does a discussion. Besides, in my opinion half of those guys add some value to this place.