USADA - Armstrong

[Dr. Maserati]

plenty enough to be able to ascertain values consistent with manipulation surely? ?Just, obviously, really really slowly.

And considering Armstrong did most of his racing outside the US, I'd say it counts as plenty.

And how many did he have in total?

We will try this again, shall we? From the letters that you claim to have read;

Lance Armstrongs doping is further evidenced by the data from the blood collections obtained by the UCI from Lance Armstrong in 2009 and 2010.

 

[ChrisE]

We will try this again, shall we? From the letters that you claim to have read;

Yeah, and as I noted upthread you replied to straydog's assertion that USADA did plenty with you saying 17 was not plenty.

You are so arrogant you can't even admit when you are wrong. Now, go spin off into some other universe. I bet you can totally relate to the abbot/costello "who's on first" routine.

 

[Anonymous]

And in other news...

SCA Promotions will monitor USADA case against Armstrong/US Postal Service

“We didn’t have any reason to believe this was coming, although we had heard some rumours,” he told VeloNation today. “There’s not much we can do right now, but we will watch this with interest. We will review this situation and if it looks actionable, we’ll certainly take action.”

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12122/SCA-Promotions-will-monitor-USADA-case-against-ArmstrongUS-Postal-Service.aspx

 

[Anonymous]

Yeah, and as I noted upthread you replied to straydog's assertion that USADA did plenty with you saying 17 was not plenty.

You are so arrogant you can't even admit when you are wrong. Now, go spin off into some other universe. I bet you can totally relate to the abbot/costello "who's on first" routine.

Oh the irony.

 

[krebs303]

I've taken a quick look at that site and it doesn't look the same.

sorry I meant same info not same web site
But it is very comprehensive

 

[mewmewmew13]

Yeah, and as I noted upthread you replied to straydog's assertion that USADA did plenty with you saying 17 was not plenty.

You are so arrogant you can't even admit when you are wrong. Now, go spin off into some other universe. I bet you can totally relate to the abbot/costello "who's on first" routine.

Yes, someone here has a superiority complex.

It's so interesting to see the personalities here isn't it?
Uncle Lance would be so proud.

I think his world is a bit out of his control right now.

 

[cycladianpirate]

Do you really believe he won't weasel his way out of this one???

We all know that 2+2=4, proving it turned Alfred Whitehead mad....

 

[mastersracer]

Looks like payback has begun. None of the former active Armstrong teammates were selected for the US Olympic team: George Hincapie, Levi Leipheimer, Tom Danielson, Dave Zabriskie, Christian Vande Velde, Jason McCartney and Matthew Busche.

Horner was, but it's clear he didn't testify against Armstrong. Most interestingly, Zabriskie was passed over for the ITT spot, which went to Phinney.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012...mpact-u-s-olympic-road-team-selections_224183

 

[Polish]

And in other news...

SCA Promotions will monitor USADA case against Armstrong/US Postal Service




http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12122/SCA-Promotions-will-monitor-USADA-case-against-ArmstrongUS-Postal-Service.aspx

If the Tour win is taken away, SCA should get their money back.
Jan or whoever should get whatever bonus money they contracted for.
That is the letter of the law, but certainly not in the spirit of awesomeness. Oh well. Life is unfair sometimes. Roll with the punches.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Yeah, and as I noted upthread you replied to straydog's assertion that USADA did plenty with you saying 17 was not plenty.

You are so arrogant you can't even admit when you are wrong. Now, go spin off into some other universe. I bet you can totally relate to the abbot/costello "who's on first" routine.

Hi Chris,
Thats 17 tests over 3 years. In fact Lance wasnt even the most tested Armstrong for most of those years, Kirstin had more in 08 & 09.

 

[70kmph]

"The race against the truth.”

Phil Liggett, 2003

 

[DirtyWorks]

Looks like payback has begun. None of the former active Armstrong teammates were selected for the US Olympic team: George Hincapie, Levi Leipheimer, Tom Danielson, Dave Zabriskie, Christian Vande Velde, Jason McCartney and Matthew Busche.

Horner was, but it's clear he didn't testify against Armstrong. Most interestingly, Zabriskie was passed over for the ITT spot, which went to Phinney.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012...mpact-u-s-olympic-road-team-selections_224183

That article suggests the team will be announced tomorrow, not that those riders weren't chosen. Typical of VN, the beginning is a mess suggesting interns are writing with some lazy proof reading done before letting it go live. What a mess.

Maybe you have advanced knowledge of who is on the list?

 

[straydog]

Everything is speculation right now.

USADA evidence ... what is it? More than 10 people ? Until you really know what was testified to , you cannot say.

There's a lot of emotion on both sides.

Will cycling be better off ? We'll just have to play out. But as I see it, everyone is projecting their personal feelings into this, and that surely makes it fascinating.

Right/wrong. It depends who you ask.
I prefer ... positive and negative. Positive being integrative and a coming together. Negative being divisive and splitting apart. What we see here is all degrees of these forces at play. I see only one thing for certain .... we each believe what we do as truth, and are "right" in that truth. Yet we are "wrong" to others because it is not their "truth" .... and few are willing to see that both are both right AND wrong at the same time, as most want to "win". At what cost ? Look at how some people are treating each other here to win in their "rightness" . Just because it's been that way.. doesn't mean it has to BE that way again. Ever our choice.

nice post....good work....although I suspect it will fall on mostly deaf ears. Especially if you make Dirty's special ignore list

 

[Polish]

We will try this again, shall we? From the letters that you claim to have read;

Is it normal for the UCI to give blood data out to the National Federations?
And did the UCI supply the USADA with blood data from the Garmin Team too. Hate to think certain riders and teams get preferential treatment. That would be witchunty. Would not look could. Would not BE good.

 

[Microchip]

This article published in May, quoted Armstrong as saying he was done with fighting and won't fight any possible action by USADA.

I would imagine he's leaving everything up to the lawyers now.

 

[straydog]

We will try this again, shall we? From the letters that you claim to have read;

Dude, I merely suggested 17 tests was plenty. Please point out to me where I suggested their "evidence" was not based on UCI tests.

It matters little who did the tests....as well you know....the point is the information has been freely available to them since 09, and yet they have only now, three years later, a year after he retired, just after the federal case has collapsed, spotted the anamolies....wow...go figure.

How come they let him ride in 2010? Were USADA covering up too? Maybe they are now trying to cover their own butts? Conspiracy I say

 

[ChrisE]

Dude, I merely suggested 17 tests was plenty. Please point out to me where I suggested their "evidence" was not based on UCI tests.

It matters little who did the tests....as well you know....the point is the information has been freely available to them since 09, and yet they have only now, three years later, a year after he retired, just after the federal case has collapsed, spotted the anamolies....wow...go figure.

How come they let him ride in 2010? Were USADA covering up too? Maybe they are now trying to cover their own butts? Conspiracy I say

LOL that's just it. They are pointing out their apparent incompetence over a 15+ year timeframe lol. And again, I point to the description of USADA in wiki:

The organization is charged with managing the anti-doping program for U.S. Olympic, Paralympic, Pan-American and ParaPan American sport. Its work includes in-competition and out-of-competition testing, the results management and adjudication process...

LOL.

USADA: We were rubes for 15 years. Thank god LA was mean to FL lol.

 

[Microchip]

From ABCNews on YouTube. There are 'Secret tapes', they say.

 

[straydog]

Bingo.
Frantically even. Prolly feeling absolutely no pressure at all.

I am so sorry that you are always a couple beats behind on what folks are really saying.

The word 'begging' was never spoken btw.

apologies for the late reply, I was seeing if you were going to report your own post too.

Honestly, I mean no offence but I do struggle with your posts from time to time. I never said you used the word begging. I merely said that I doubted LA would be begging. You used the word "threatening", which I said was absurd, given that WTC have so much more to gain from LA competing than if he is not.

Do you really think right now at this moment that LA either needs to "threaten" WTC, or indeed that he would? Really? Really really really? Is that what you really think or is it what you want to think, because it fits in with some lazy Armstrong as the embodiment of all evil fantasy?

If that is what you really do think, then honestly I think you are motivated not by discovering the "truth", but by something a little bit depressing and blinkering, and that quite simply, is hate.

 

[red_flanders]

LOL that's just it. They are pointing out their apparent incompetence over a 15+ year timeframe lol. And again, I point to the description of USADA in wiki:

LOL.

USADA: We were rubes for 15 years. Thank god LA was mean to FL lol.

Snicker, snicker, LOL.

What is the appropriate length of time you can not catch a doper before you just give up? You seem to indicate they should not pursue him because they didn't catch him before.

That sounds really, really stupid, so maybe I'm misinterpreting your comments. Also sounds uninformed as they weren't doing the testing for the bulk of that time.

 

[gerundium]

From ABCNews on YouTube. There are 'Secret tapes', they say.

ya know, i don't even really care a whole lot either way what happens. In my mind it's crystal clear, i just don't like Lance holding the most TDF wins by dominating in possibly the darkest era of cycling.

What i do love is the amount of *popcorn* moments this entire affair delivers, it's unbelievable. The discussions here as well have given me many laughs over the past days.

 

[GotDropped]

Ex Team Telekom with a systematic doping program till 2006! So i think best leave it blank although i dont know of any allegations against Jullich

See reasons below.

Abraham Olano, no gold for Olano as he was a Mapei guines pig in 1996

Mapei guinea pig... what about Manolo Sainz 60.000 € in a suitcase guinea pig. hehehe

But, there is no investigation into Olano, as dirty as he may have been, he is legally clean ;-). So, as Eki and Lance, (investigated now), Ullrich, admitted doper, Olano gold medalist!

 

[straydog]

From ABCNews on YouTube. There are 'Secret tapes', they say.

ha ha ha ha....they're going to try and drag out the old Lemond/ Steph tape as evidence....honestly, beer just came out my nose I laughed so much.

Ok, if this is a sign of things to come....I'd say he's sleeping soundly in Cap Ferrat tonight.

 

[MacRoadie]

From ABCNews on YouTube. There are 'Secret tapes', they say.

Cue the LeMond haters...

 

[D-Queued]

Hi Chris,
I am sorry to hear that you are not that smart - I will write this slowly, the UCI do the Bio Passport not USADA.


USADA did indeed do testing on Armstrong, in fact one time when they made a surprise vist Lance pretended to not be there, wonder why.

And, given that there are lots of witnesses to that event alone, and given that that is a suspendable non-analytical positive, we should already be able to agree that the score is 1-0 for USADA before they even hit the starting buzzer.

If the Tour win is taken away, SCA should get their money back.
Jan or whoever should get whatever bonus money they contracted for.
That is the letter of the law, but certainly not in the spirit of awesomeness. Oh well. Life is unfair sometimes. Roll with the punches.

Polish, every so often! I think this marks the third time that I am in complete agreement with you.

From ABCNews on YouTube. There are 'Secret tapes', they say.

We used to have parallels to GW, but now we have to worry about the Woodward/Bernstein-esque 17 erased minutes as well? Was Lance even born then?

Dave.