USADA - Armstrong

[Kennf1]

The first Postal rider? Frankie. He and Betsy were the only people willing to tell the truth. They became big targets because of it.

And Steve Swart, albeit Motorola, not Postal.

 

[131313]

The first Postal rider? Frankie. He and Betsy were the only people willing to tell the truth. They became big targets because of it.

you should probably add Stephen Swart to that list.

 

[D-Queued]

And Steve Swart, albeit Motorola, not Postal.

Don't forget Motorola's Davis Phinney... But, of course, when it comes to the pro peloton we also have Kimmage and even Willy Voet to thank for exposing the depth of the doping scourge.

Early on it wasn't even USCF but USPro. I think they merged in 1995

Every year since 2004 Armstrong has signed the WADA code.

This topic has been discussed quite a bit since the good Judge's decision. This prior testimony of Bill Stapleton during the SCA Arbitration is particularly relevant and insightful:


"Arbitration
Transcript of Proceedings
January 16, 2006

...

Q (Tillotson representing SCA Promotions, Inc., Respondents). Okay. Now, are you aware of the sanctions that can be imposed for an athlete who is found guilty of doping?

A (Bill Stapleton, witness for Lance Amrstrong and Tailwind Sports, Inc. Claimants). Generally, yes.

Q. And you’re aware that one of the sanctions under the World Antidoping Code is disqualification of all results back to the date of the infraction?

A. Yes.

…

Q. Article X, which is entitled proof says, doping and any other offense under the regulations may be proved by any means, including presumption. Do you see that?

A. I do.

Q. Okay. And you understand what that means is that you don’t need to prove doping, you don’t necessarily – or must have a positive test result, correct?

A. If that’s what presumption means.

Q. Well, you are aware of cases involving athletes who have been sanctioned for doping, even though there was not a positive test results, correct?

A. Yes."

Thus, it is almost too bad the Judge didn't allow this to go forward so that the USADA could shatter the complaint with this self-testimony.

Dave.

 

[BroDeal]

Whatever happened to that BYU FBI guy who used to hang around here in 2009? Wouldn't it be hilarious if he had his eyes opened by working on the Armstrong investigation.

 

[skippy]

Like another in the #4200's , i think i will wait for someone to ring me After this has blown over !
Noticed that even those posting for the first time seem more adept at carrying forward quotes ! Perhaps with the fictious IP's floating around , there are those " banned" unable to resist the urge to join this storm in a teacup ?
Whatever happened to " Le Tour " and Brad W.? Seems like they have become a sideshow whilst mushrooms rage !

 

[D-Queued]

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Whatever happened to " Le Tour " and Brad W.? Seems like they have become a sideshow whilst mushrooms rage !

Alternately, some of us are so disappointed that we our interest is now waning from our carefully planned Tour watching vacation time. We have thus come back here in a two birds, one stone hopefulness for cleaning up the mess.

Dave.

 

[Maxiton]

Alternately, some of us are so disappointed that we our interest is now waning from our carefully planned Tour watching vacation time. We have thus come back here in a two birds, one stone hopefulness for cleaning up the mess.

Dave.

That pretty much describes my feeling. I was just hanging out in the Clinic until the Tour started. Killin' time. Then it started and was appalling and I came back here to talk about it and try to forget about it at the same time.

 

[sniper]

ouch.
Seems almost as if lance got screwed by his lawyers.

"This Court is not inclined to indulge Armstrong's desire for publicity, self-aggrandizement or vilification of Defendants, by sifting through eighty mostly unnecessary pages in search of the few kernels of factual material relevant to his claims."

billable hours indeed

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrongs-federal-lawsuit-against-usada-dismissed

 

[joe_papp]

That's hilarious. Loved it. But the credit goes to a guy on twitter called dimspace.

Dimspace, no longer registered here but an original Clinic-rat (in the sense of one who hangs out in the Clinic; not said derogatorily), who founded the http://velorooms.com/.

 

[blackcat]

dimspace as got some serious cognitive dissonance going on.

Funneling that crisis of fandom, into Armstrong's woes

 

[Benotti69]

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4118228.html

the 500 tests are being slowly pulled apart...

is repeated use of this phrase has many of his supporters, and the man himself, believing the ongoing questioning of his stellar career is simply a witch-hunt. The only problem for Lance and his legion of fans is that when he makes that statement he is lying.

Armstrong has tested positive to drugs during his career - twice.

The first was during the 1999 Tour de France when a backdated therapeutic use exemption certificate (TUE) was furnished following an official positive result for corticosteroids.

He also returned an unofficial positive for EPO in 1999 when some of his samples were used in the course of developing an accurate test for the substance. An industrious journalist from the French newspaper, L'Equipe successfully got hold of a match between the code numbers on the samples and the relevant riders' names.

But, Armstrong conveniently forgets to ever mention these happenings........

It is a slippy slope from here on in. Best thing he can do is cut a deal and go live a quiet life. But that wont happen.

 

[Microchip]

Back to the topic at hand, Judge Sparks put the hammer down on LA like none other. Pretty impressive that he didn't want to play the game for one second, and saw right through it all. Let's see Armstrong and his clown lawyers spin this one.

Big props to Big Sam.

I'm hoping the refile goes to him and not another judge. Some of them overturn the previous one's ruling.

 

[Microchip]

Back to the topic at hand, Judge Sparks put the hammer down on LA like none other. Pretty impressive that he didn't want to play the game for one second, and saw right through it all. Let's see Armstrong and his clown lawyers spin this one.

Big props to Big Sam.

Cycling's new best friend!

 

[python]

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4118228.html

the 500 tests are being slowly pulled apart...

you need to keep up, ben

his request for injuction added another 100 tests to that number since the previous concoction of his lawyers

 

[Cimacoppi49]

It's Judge Sparks' case for the refile.

 

[TheEnoculator]

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4118228.html

the 500 tests are being slowly pulled apart...



It is a slippy slope from here on in. Best thing he can do is cut a deal and go live a quiet life. But that wont happen.

I love one comment from that article that saying "I have never tested positive", is like saying "I have never been ticketed for speeding. Therefore I have never sped in my life." Perfect analogy.

 

[Benotti69]

you need to keep up, ben

his request for injuction added another 100 tests to that number since the previous concoction of his lawyers

goinks, be a 1000 before November at this rate!


ps nice avatar

 

[Microchip]

It's Judge Sparks' case for the refile.

Thanks for the info, that's such a relief!

 

[rickshaw]

No Home Town Advantage

I remember reading, in years past, that EVERYBODY in Austin had a LA story, not in a good way. Looks like Judge Sparks has knowledge of the "situation"

OUCH is right.

 

[Anonymous]

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4118228.html

the 500 tests are being slowly pulled apart...



It is a slippy slope from here on in. Best thing he can do is cut a deal and go live a quiet life. But that wont happen.

Death by 1000 cuts.

Not only is nobody afraid of LA anymore... the press is going after him.

About time.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Perhaps someone can clear these things up for me. USADA claim that blood samples taken from Armstrong in 2009 and 2010 were

"fully consistent with blood manipulation including EPO use and/or blood transfusions."

i) How did they get this information i.e. Whom would have done the tests. And, why were they not flagged at the time? (UCI coverup?)

ii) The UCI apparently have disposed of these samples even though they are meant to keep them for 7 or 8 years. Should they not be fined or taken to task for this by WADA?

iii) Who 'owns' the blood passports? Is this again the UCI and whom has access to them.

Thanks.

 

[Catwhoorg]

What should he change? His $uckers wrote 150+ pages. What else can they add, other than kill GH, FL, TH, etc...

Drop it down to 10 or so such that the judge can actually be bothered to read it.

 

[Anonymous]

Drop it down to 10 or so such that the judge can actually be bothered to read it.

10 pages of crap won't fly either.

Although its certain to be a fun read.

 

[Benotti69]

Perhaps someone can clear these things up for me. USADA claim that blood samples taken from Armstrong in 2009 and 2010 were

"fully consistent with blood manipulation including EPO use and/or blood transfusions."

i) How did they get this information i.e. Whom would have done the tests. And, why were they not flagged at the time? (UCI coverup?)

ii) The UCI apparently have disposed of these samples even though they are meant to keep them for 7 or 8 years. Should they not be fined or taken to task for this by WADA?

iii) Who 'owns' the blood passports? Is this again the UCI and whom has access to them.

Thanks.

Good question. Ashenden was an adviser to the UCI blood passport. Maybe he has recollection of the data. Maybe he has copies of the data.

 

[Bicycle tramp]

Drop it down to 10 or so such that the judge can actually be bothered to read it.

TLDR

10 char