USADA - Armstrong

[on3m@n@rmy]

Back to the topic at hand, Judge Sparks put the hammer down on LA like none other. Pretty impressive that he didn't want to play the game for one second, and saw right through it all. Let's see Armstrong and his clown lawyers spin this one.

Big props to Big Sam.

For sure.

I wonder how much it cost LA to have his lawyers spin up that law suit just to see it flushed down the toilet?

Also wonder if LA will ever get the picture.

 

[SpeedWay]

Back to the topic at hand, Judge Sparks put the hammer down on LA like none other. Pretty impressive that he didn't want to play the game for one second, and saw right through it all. Let's see Armstrong and his clown lawyers spin this one.

Big props to Big Sam.

Nah. Team LA opened the can of worms. Judge Sparks decision could have been made by any One L. It will be interesting to see how they bottle up the stench.

 

[Runitout]

Using legal process as a public propaganda exercise is an abuse of process. I doubt a Federal court would take kindly to being used as a weapon in a PR war. That pleading was an incredible misfire.

 

[cineteq]

I wonder how much it cost LA to have his lawyers spin up that law suit just to see it flushed down the toilet?

Maybe it's not his money. Foundations and charity money can cover those expenses.

 

[JRTinMA]

Maybe it's not his money. Foundations and charity money can cover those expenses.

No they can't.

 

[Race Radio]

Perhaps someone can clear these things up for me. USADA claim that blood samples taken from Armstrong in 2009 and 2010 were

"fully consistent with blood manipulation including EPO use and/or blood transfusions."

i) How did they get this information i.e. Whom would have done the tests. And, why were they not flagged at the time? (UCI coverup?)

ii) The UCI apparently have disposed of these samples even though they are meant to keep them for 7 or 8 years. Should they not be fined or taken to task for this by WADA?

iii) Who 'owns' the blood passports? Is this again the UCI and whom has access to them.

Thanks.

The BioPassport is a UCI program. The refused to share the testing results with WADA until January of this year.

Yes, despite samples being stored for 8 years the UCI dumped Lance's (According to Lance) I have seen no indication of other samples being distroyed

 

[Catwhoorg]

so funny. not a judge to mess around with

Different judge but Bradshaw versus Unity marine makes for fun reading.
http://www.clr.org/Bradshaw-Unity.html

Moral of the story do not p*** off a Texas judge

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

The BioPassport is a UCI program. The refused to share the testing results with WADA until January of this year.

Yes, despite samples being stored for 8 years the UCI dumped Lance's (According to Lance) I have seen no indication of other samples being distroyed

Thanks. Hopefully justice catches up with Armstrong but its just as important that the guys running the show are brought to task.

 

[sniper]

The BioPassport is a UCI program. The refused to share the testing results with WADA until January of this year.

Yes, despite samples being stored for 8 years the UCI dumped Lance's (According to Lance) I have seen no indication of other samples being distroyed

so if all LA's samples were destroyed the question remains how did usada get to the data?

 

[cineteq]

No they can't.

Does Money Laundering ring a bell ching ching?

 

[JRTinMA]

Does Money Laundering ring a bell ching ching?

Are you suggesting LAF is involved in laundering money?

 

[zigmeister]

Using legal process as a public propaganda exercise is an abuse of process. I doubt a Federal court would take kindly to being used as a weapon in a PR war. That pleading was an incredible misfire.

Don't you get the irony of what you just wrote?

The Feds themselves tried for several years to leak information, wage a media war against LA, only to have to drop the case.

So, when it is the Feds themselves doing the public propaganda exercise on the public dime, that is all good, but when it is someone else using it...bad?

 

[ManInFull]

Different judge but Bradshaw versus Unity marine makes for fun reading.
http://www.clr.org/Bradshaw-Unity.html

Moral of the story do not p*** off a Texas judge

Well, it will be interesting to see what happens once they refile. Will they refile to the same judge or might another judge take it?

I will not ignore the politics of this. I believe that the judge was appointed by George W. Bush, which likely means that the judge is viewed as a conservative judge. Maybe Lance was hoping to get a conservative judge who has a low opinion of government agencies (psuedo-government agencies) like USADA...

 

[Race Radio]

so if all LA's samples were destroyed the question remains how did usada get to the data?

They got the results, not the samples

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

Maybe it's not his money. Foundations and charity money can cover those expenses.

You may be right, but if true that should p!ss off a lot of ppl.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

For sure.

I wonder how much it cost LA to have his lawyers spin up that law suit just to see it flushed down the toilet?

Also wonder if LA will ever get the picture.

I'm going to guess between $15K and $25K

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

They got the results, not the samples

So there can't be a second test, or how do you say this in English, conformation test?

Seeing LA's crit go from 38 to 43 in a week is proof enough of manipulation though. Burn the mtf. In the name of all who believe in his cancer cry story.

I think LA watched 'the Dan Jansen story' too many times.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Don't you get the irony of what you just wrote?

The Feds themselves tried for several years to leak information, wage a media war against LA, only to have to drop the case.

So, when it is the Feds themselves doing the public propaganda exercise on the public dime, that is all good, but when it is someone else using it...bad?

Assuming, arguendo, that the feds did as you say, the difference is that they did not go into Federal court and make a public filing that contained pages upon pages of bald assertions and outright PR spin. What Armstrong's counsel did is sanctionable. Sparks, IMO, has given them their one and only warning.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Well, it will be interesting to see what happens once they refile. Will they refile to the same judge or might another judge take it?

I will not ignore the politics of this. I believe that the judge was appointed by George W. Bush, which likely means that the judge is viewed as a conservative judge. Maybe Lance was hoping to get a conservative judge who has a low opinion of government agencies (psuedo-government agencies) like USADA...

Sparks should still be assigned to the case. Granting leave to refile should keep the case on his docket where the judge has indicated he will dismiss after 20 days if there is no refiling.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Don't you get the irony of what you just wrote?

The Feds themselves tried for several years to leak information, wage a media war against LA, only to have to drop the case.

So, when it is the Feds themselves doing the public propaganda exercise on the public dime, that is all good, but when it is someone else using it...bad?

Cool st....er, I mean, you are really grasping at straws there dude.

 

[D-Queued]

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4118228.html

the 500 tests are being slowly pulled apart...

is repeated use of this phrase has many of his supporters, and the man himself, believing the ongoing questioning of his stellar career is simply a witch-hunt. The only problem for Lance and his legion of fans is that when he makes that statement he is lying.

Armstrong has tested positive to drugs during his career - twice.

The first was during the 1999 Tour de France when a backdated therapeutic use exemption certificate (TUE) was furnished following an official positive result for corticosteroids.

He also returned an unofficial positive for EPO in 1999 when some of his samples were used in the course of developing an accurate test for the substance. An industrious journalist from the French newspaper, L'Equipe successfully got hold of a match between the code numbers on the samples and the relevant riders' names.

But, Armstrong conveniently forgets to ever mention these happenings........

It is a slippy slope from here on in. Best thing he can do is cut a deal and go live a quiet life. But that wont happen.

It is a good start by mainstream news, but they appear to have left some room for a follow-up:

1. Three Olympic team samples with T/E ratios above the limit (Wade Exum/Don Catlin)

2. Actovegin, doping paraphenelia

3. TdS suppressed positive

4. Purposely missed OOC test in Austin (Mike Anderson)

5. Flagged Biopassport (HCT 38 -> 43)

6. Using the services of a banned physician (Ferrari)

...

Dave.

 

[Microchip]

Lance's lawyers have nothing. Nothing. At. All.

 

[red_flanders]

I believe that the judge was appointed by George W. Bush, which likely means that the judge is viewed as a conservative judge. Maybe Lance was hoping to get a conservative judge who has a low opinion of government agencies (psuedo-government agencies) like USADA...

Sounds like they need a judge who has a low opinion of the law instead.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Maybe it's not his money. Foundations and charity money can cover those expenses.

Paying lawyers to draft and file a set of pleadings will have cost the kind of money Armstrong may or may not bother to stop and pick up if he dropped on the floor. The legal battle as a whole will likely cost enormous money, but aside from major hearings, it will be through a gradual accumulation of costs not individual incidents.

 

[Microchip]

I can see the headlines:

Sparks Will Fly

Lance Sparks Off Sparks

Sparks Spread Like Wildfire

Where There's Sparks, There's Fire

...lolololol....