USADA - Armstrong

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Didn't he already have a lifetime ban? Now two, I think he doesn't mind as he'll still work as he has with the first lifetime ban, don't foresee him changing his ways after all he'll probably just carry a gallon of Orange Juice in his RV and show it as his proof he's only testing his OJ theory.

Wasn´t the 1st only for italy?

 

[shojii]

Wasn´t the 1st only for italy?

Yeah, it was a CONI ban - not a USADA/WADA ban.

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

Wasn´t the 1st only for italy?

YO! Yes, just Italy.

 

[PotentialPro]

I am sorry, he is a USA Cycling licensee first and foremost, then with a UCI designation.

Proof:
http://www.usacycling.org/results/index.php?compid=1917&all=1

He competed in USA Cycling permitted events during the time he is complaining of.

 

[BroDeal]

Believe me, if USADA's case is successful, he will be vilified like no athlete in history. Writers will be eager to pile on him...

Right now the only thing holding back the media is fear of libel suits because there has not been an official finding. Every news article is careful to include a paragraph stating that Armstrong denies that he has ever doped, that he has never tested positve, that he passed two million tests, or a compilation of Armstrong's usual talking points. With an actual sanction, even if it comes about by Armstrong not fighting the charges, the flood gates will swing wide open.

One of the interesting parts of the Men's Journal piece was the author essentially admitting that Armstrong confessed off the record to using dope. The newspeople know Armstrong is a doper. It is an open secret, like JFK's affairs. They have been able to firmly state it. That day is coming. Hypocrisy of celebrities always makes a good story. Armstrong will be the John Edwards of cycling.

 

[thehog]

Amazing **** in this ABC news piece:



http://abcnews.go.com/US/lance-arms...-banned-doping/story?id=16750719#.T_zMEBecAwc

They're copy-pasting Clinic posts! Finally!

Let's start making stuff up and see of they copy that!?

 

[BigBoat]

I just read the story about Ferrari accepting his lifetime ban and this was interesting.....

....the bit in bold made me salivate at the mere thought of Ferrari himself turning whistleblower. I suppose he never would, but it would be really awesome if somehow somewhere deep in his heart he knew that he has corrupted the sport of cycling and wishes to cleanse himself of his sins and confess all.

Too much money hanging in front of Ferrari. He still works with some riders. Also, if he admitted guilt he may face fines of some sort. Who wouldn't want a Ferrari?

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Right now the only thing holding back the media is fear of libel suits because there has not been an official finding. Every news article is careful to include a paragraph stating that Armstrong denies that he has ever doped, that he has never tested positve, that he passed two million tests, or a compilation of Armstrong's usual talking points. With an actual sanction, even if it comes about by Armstrong not fighting the charges, the flood gates will swing wide open.

One of the interesting parts of the Men's Journal piece was the author essentially admitting that Armstrong confessed off the record to using dope. The newspeople know Armstrong is a doper. It is an open secret, like JFK's affairs. They have been able to firmly state it. That day is coming. Hypocrisy of celebrities always makes a good story. Armstrong will be the John Edwards of cycling.

Armstrong is not going to sue the media for libel. They would destroy him in discovery. The reason media outlets include the whole "Lance contests the charges" crap is out of ignorance of the strength of their position.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Last week I wrote the same thing but so far nobody has caught on as to why Lance is so scared to make any kind of sworn declaration. Given your knowledge of the law I am sure you can figure it out

Hint: Think Criminal

It isn't over

Ah, the 'p' word....?

 

[PedalPusher]

Prediction: Never gets past jurisdiction. Diversity doesn't exist. Arbitration is the agreed upon venue for disputes per contract as professional rider through various NGBs.

 

[BroDeal]

Armstrong is not going to sue the media for libel. They would destroy him in discovery. The reason media outlets include the whole "Lance contests the charges" crap is out of ignorance of the strength of their position.

I know he won't sue. You know he won't sue. But editors and their legal counsel practice defensive journalism. They won't take a chance of being sued for what is in the scheme of things a minor article. If a feeding frenzy begins then the media will be more aggressive. WIth a ban it will be no holds barred.

 

[Cal_Joe]

Let's start making stuff up and see of [sic] they copy that!?

Please hoggy, do not hand me posts on a silver platter about certain posters making stuff up. Takes all the fun out of it.

Cyclismas already has set the bar very high for getting mainstream media to swallow made up stuff.

And please, no Yellow Rose/swallow jokes.

 

[Ninety5rpm]

It is an open secret, like JFK's affairs.

Well, that's aging yourself!

 

[Maxiton]

I read Armstrong's new complaint and actually thought it had merit. It might have had more merit had it been submitted the first time, but still it makes some strong arguments.

I mean, as I read it he is stating essentially that USADA doesn't have jurisdiction for various reasons, and, further (this assertion notwithstanding), that he is being asked to submit his entire professional life, past, present, and future, as well as his livelihood, to an administrative procedure that was not designed for this purpose, but rather was designed for adjudicating positive doping tests. Armstrong is saying there is no positive doping test and in any case this procedure doesn't allow for the due process he plainly has a right to given the nature and scope of such a charge against him, as well as the profoundly adverse consequences for him and his family in the event he doesn't prevail.

Basically, he's saying as I read it that the deck is stacked against him and the procedure unlikely to render a fair hearing, or a fair outcome.

I think there is plenty in here that would permit the judge to grant relief, if he is at all inclined to. On the other hand, the judge could make a case for not granting relief, too.

I think (or guess, rather) that the judge will let matters proceed, with the proviso that LA can bring the matter to court later should it not go in his favor. (Which of course it won't.)

Then will come the qui tam case, followed by criminal prosecution, both on the state level (perjury) and the federal level (everything else).

I'll bet they'd love to have a new cycling school in Venezuela.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Ah, the 'p' word....?

Lance has already testified under oath that he never doped, so if he lied, he would have already perjured himself.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Mr. Tibbs, yes I've been drawing them. Glad they're enjoyed.

Wow microchip, very nice work! I'm impressed and thank you for sharing them here....a lot of talent in this forum.

 

[Cal_Joe]

Prediction: Never gets past jurisdiction. Diversity doesn't exist. Arbitration is the agreed upon venue for disputes per contract as professional rider through various NGBs.

I'm going with your prediction. I am simply stunned at the lack of quality of the filings by the LA legal team.

They have had months to brainstorm/formulate strategy, and what can be seen is either unbelievable incompetence and/or a client who may be insisting on certain things.

But since I am not privy to the strategy conversations, I do not know which. As has been postulated by others, the legal avenue was considered fruitless at an earlier stage, and this is all PR. And nothing but PR.

 

[MarkvW]

Lance has already testified under oath that he never doped, so if he lied, he would have already perjured himself.

But what if Lance told the whole truth in front of the grand jury and that was the event that caused the termination of the investigation of the Posties/Discos, etc.? That would explain a lot.

Lance would have gotten the same treatment as Tyler, Floyd, George, etc. . ..

Is that not possible?

 

[Microchip]

Wow microchip, very nice work! I'm impressed and thank you for sharing them here....a lot of talent in this forum.

Thank you. I draw the faces and use existing clipart to do the rest. Saves alot of time.

Is the "p" word "prison" or "perjury"?

 

[Maxiton]

Thank you. I draw the faces and use existing clipart to do the rest. Saves alot of time.

Is the "p" word "prison" or "perjury"?

Where are these strips? Can anyone see them?

 

[mewmewmew13]

Thank you. I draw the faces and use existing clipart to do the rest. Saves alot of time.

Is the "p" word "prison" or "perjury"?

I was thinking perjury. He has already lied under oath...can't afford to do another oath thingie....
At least that is the way I read it.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Where are these strips? Can anyone see them?

In the thread Maxi...
Can u not see the images?

 

[Maxiton]

In the thread Maxi...
Can u not see the images?

Nope. Guess I'd better ease up for a bit on the browser security.

Edit: And thanks, btw.

 

[mewmewmew13]

nope. Guess i'd better ease up for a bit on the browser security.

lol.......

 

[Ninety5rpm]

I read Armstrong's new complaint and actually thought it had merit. It might have had more merit had it been submitted the first time, but still it makes some strong arguments.

I mean, as I read it he is stating essentially that USADA doesn't have jurisdiction for various reasons, and, further (this assertion notwithstanding), that he is being asked to submit his entire professional life, past, present, and future, as well as his livelihood, to an administrative procedure that was not designed for this purpose, but rather was designed for adjudicating positive doping tests. Armstrong is saying there is no positive doping test and in any case this procedure doesn't allow for the due process he plainly has a right to given the nature and scope of such a charge against him, as well as the profoundly adverse consequences for him and his family in the event he doesn't prevail.

Basically, he's saying as I read it that the deck is stacked against him and the procedure unlikely to render a fair hearing, or a fair outcome.

I think there is plenty in here that would permit the judge to grant relief, if he is at all inclined to. On the other hand, the judge could make a case for not granting relief, too.

"doesn't have jurisdiction for various reasons" All b.s. reasons, as far as I can tell.

"he is being asked to submit his entire professional life, past, present, and future, as well as his livelihood" No one asked for that.

an administrative procedure that was not designed for this purpose
It was designed perhaps primarily for adjudicating cases based on positive test results, but it's a standard arbitration procedure designed to hear and review all kinds of evidence and testimony, with explicit allowance for cases not based on positive test results.