USADA - Armstrong

[jseibert]

I am not misrepresenting what you said, merely agreeing with your strongest argument.

Go ahead and review your post to confirm.

Yours is the latest example of doping apologist argument #46: they all did it.

If so, then Danny did too.

If he didn't, then we should go after all dopers without exception.

Your second argument, Doping Apologist #64, is 'he is retired', leave him alone.

Okay, then what about:
1. Hope returns - and has done so again in triathlon

What do you do about dopers that make comebacks? How do you avoid the use of an obvious loophole? How do you feel about Riis admitting that he doped when he won?

Are you suggesting a rule change that provides immunity for any doped found positive or otherwise found guilty of doping after announcing their retirement?

If so, go ahead and submit your idea to WADA.

I expect that you may hear the laughter all the way from their offices in Montreal, though.

Dave.

If you are accusing someone of doping, you should have the balls to post your name. You and a majority of the others responding to this USADA - Armstrong post are obviously passionate about trying to exposing LA, you should all put your money together and fund the process. Floyd was able to raise more than a million for his defense, maybe you can get those that were duped to support your cause. Its time to move on, I would like to see USADA spending tax payer dollars to proactively stop doping in racing - test at more races, educate young and upcoming athletes and develop better testing.

MOD NOTE: forum anonymity is not to be questioned. No one is to be forced to identify themselves. Susan

 

[rhubroma]

If you are accusing someone of doping, you should have the balls to post your name. You and a majority of the others responding to this USADA - Armstrong post are obviously passionate about trying to exposing LA, you should all put your money together and fund the process. Floyd was able to raise more than a million for his defense, maybe you can get those that were duped to support your cause. Its time to move on, I would like to see USADA spending tax payer dollars to proactively stop doping in racing - test at more races, educate young and upcoming athletes and develop better testing.

4th post? Hired by the ubiquitous Lance brigade me thinks.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

If you are accusing someone of doping, you should have the balls to post your name. You and a majority of the others responding to this USADA - Armstrong post are obviously passionate about trying to exposing LA, you should all put your money together and fund the process. Floyd was able to raise more than a million for his defense, maybe you can get those that were duped to support your cause. Its time to move on, I would like to see USADA spending tax payer dollars to proactively stop doping in racing - test at more races, educate young and upcoming athletes and develop better testing.

If you are going to accuse someone of accusing someone of doping, then should you not reveal your name?

Maybe 'we' already fund the process, by holding licences with the federations and by paying tax. If your concern is that this might cost lots of money then you should plead with Lance to just admit his guilt.

I like how you put in eduacting young athletes - a big lesson here is being a liar cheat and fraud does not pay, no matter how big you are - your dollars well spent.

 

[Turner29]

If you are accusing someone of doping, you should have the balls to post your name. You and a majority of the others responding to this USADA - Armstrong post are obviously passionate about trying to exposing LA, you should all put your money together and fund the process. Floyd was able to raise more than a million for his defense, maybe you can get those that were duped to support your cause. Its time to move on, I would like to see USADA spending tax payer dollars to proactively stop doping in racing - test at more races, educate young and upcoming athletes and develop better testing.

Here we go again with the "tax payer dollars" disinformation, since depending upon the year, about 1/2 of USADA Funding does not come from the US government.

 

[Hugh Januss]

If you are accusing someone of doping, you should have the balls to post your name. You and a majority of the others responding to this USADA - Armstrong post are obviously passionate about trying to exposing LA, you should all put your money together and fund the process. Floyd was able to raise more than a million for his defense, maybe you can get those that were duped to support your cause. Its time to move on, I would like to see USADA spending tax payer dollars to proactively stop doping in racing - test at more races, educate young and upcoming athletes and develop better testing.

His name is Dave, it's right there at the bottom of his well written post.
And you are?

 

[Kennf1]

If you are accusing someone of doping, you should have the balls to post your name. You and a majority of the others responding to this USADA - Armstrong post are obviously passionate about trying to exposing LA, you should all put your money together and fund the process. Floyd was able to raise more than a million for his defense, maybe you can get those that were duped to support your cause. Its time to move on, I would like to see USADA spending tax payer dollars to proactively stop doping in racing - test at more races, educate young and upcoming athletes and develop better testing.

Is it also "time to move on" with respect to Bruyneel, Ferrari, Del Moral, and the others?

Schleck got popped this week, but of course, that's in the past. Time to move on.

 

[D-Queued]

If you are accusing someone of doping, you should have the balls to post your name. You and a majority of the others responding to this USADA - Armstrong post are obviously passionate about trying to exposing LA, you should all put your money together and fund the process. Floyd was able to raise more than a million for his defense, maybe you can get those that were duped to support your cause. Its time to move on, I would like to see USADA spending tax payer dollars to proactively stop doping in racing - test at more races, educate young and upcoming athletes and develop better testing.

Threatened by an anonymous poster on an Internet forum?

You scare me.

Btw - Fact: USADA has accused Lance of doping.

Think you can keep up?

Dave.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Think its time to put one catch all post for anyone late to the party.

USADA - does what it says on the tin.
United States Anti-Doping Agency - took over responsibility for drug testing and sports doping matters from the United States Olympic Committee in 2000 and is the independent, congressionally authorized, agency charged with responsibility for drug testing, anti-doping investigations and adjudicating
doping offenses for Olympic and Paralympic sports in the United States.

Furthermore - the nice Mr. Armstrong agreed to their rules and sought them out to validate his USADA testing results in his dispute with SCA.

 

[Anonymous]

Think its time to put one catch all post for anyone late to the party.

USADA - does what it says on the tin.
United States Anti-Doping Agency - took over responsibility for drug testing and sports doping matters from the United States Olympic Committee in 2000 and is the independent, congressionally authorized, agency charged with responsibility for drug testing, anti-doping investigations and adjudicating
doping offenses for Olympic and Paralympic sports in the United States.

Furthermore - the nice Mr. Armstrong agreed to their rules and sought them out to validate his USADA testing results in his dispute with SCA.

If ignorance is bliss then what do we make of willful ignorance?

 

[Radway]

Is USADA using its money responsibly to engage in a battle with the LA machine to protect current athletes from dopers? Perhaps there is a good reason out there, but I have not heard it.

The case against Mr. Armstrong could strip him of his seven Tour de France titles and bar him from competing in his current sport, triathlon.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444330904577537673199762652.html

USADA's actions can protect current sport and professional livelihoods.

Yes, USADA is using its money responsibly.

 

[BYOP88]

If you are accusing someone of doping, you should have the balls to post your name. You and a majority of the others responding to this USADA - Armstrong post are obviously passionate about trying to exposing LA, you should all put your money together and fund the process. Floyd was able to raise more than a million for his defense, maybe you can get those that were duped to support your cause. Its time to move on, I would like to see USADA spending tax payer dollars to proactively stop doping in racing - test at more races, educate young and upcoming athletes and develop better testing.

Lance Armstrong is a doper and cheated his way to 7 TdF wins and many other titles.

My name is Scott and if Lance wants the rest he can PM me for the details.

 

[jseibert]

As I suspected - no balls. BTW - you suggested another rider is a doper, not just LA. LA's defense team could use you, a master of double talk.

I'm outta here.

 

[alberto.legstrong]

As I suspected - no balls. BTW - you suggested another rider is a doper, not just LA. LA's defense team could use you, a master of double talk.

I'm outta here.

Well, one ball. Have a good one, oh look, young Mr radway has entered just as you are leaving! Welcome aboard Radway! So great to have you.

 

[TubularBills]

Tygert’s mantra is he is pursing Armstrong on behalf of those he is charged with protecting. Who is he protecting by pursing Armstrong? Ulrich, Basso and Mancebo (see 2005 Tour results)? Armstrong rode in an era when the use of performance enhancing drugs was systemic at the top echelons of our sport. Athletes had a choice, get on the program or you cannot compete. With increased awareness, testing and pressure to be clean, cycling is becoming one of the cleanest professional sports in the world. Cyclist should no longer have to make the choice – dope or you don’t get a contract. Tygert is doing nothing for CURRENT athletes he is charged to protect. He is wasting taxpayer money to make a name for himself, to stroke his own ego, at the expense of current athletes and the taxpayers. Instead of wasting money to pursue Armstrong, USADA should be devoting its budget to testing at more races, and leveling the playing field for current athletes and our children so they do not have to face the difficult decision dedicated athletes faced over the previous two decades. Armstrong, with or without drugs, was the greatest Tour de France rider of his time, did more for American cycling than anyone else has ever come close to doing, and has inspired and assisted millions with his foundation. Tygert, not Armstrong, should be the subject of our ire. A government employee, wasting taxpayer money for his own personal gain - ego.

No Pelota

 

[Hugh Januss]

If ignorance is bliss then what do we make of willful ignorance?

Working really hard to be happy?

 

[Hugh Januss]

As I suspected - no balls. BTW - you suggested another rider is a doper, not just LA. LA's defense team could use you, a master of double talk.

I'm outta here.

If I just had a nickle for every time some doping apologist said that in the clinic.....................

 

[alberto.legstrong]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444330904577537673199762652.html

USADA's actions can protect current sport and professional livelihoods.

Yes, USADA is using its money responsibly.

Any link to the actual filing available?


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found it here
http://a.espncdn.com/pdf/2012/0720/armstrong_motion_to_dismiss.pdf

 

[TubularBills]

Any link to the actual filing available?

http://a.espncdn.com/pdf/2012/0720/armstrong_motion_to_dismiss.pdf

 

[alberto.legstrong]

http://a.espncdn.com/pdf/2012/0720/armstrong_motion_to_dismiss.pdf

Thanks, I think we found it about the same time. I enjoyed this final 2 paragraphs of their Intro:

With no apparent regard for his prior commitments to be bound by the sport rules, and
indeed silent as to many of the applicable rules1, Armstrong asks this Court to enjoin the
USADA adjudication process and prevent the enforcement of the anti-doping rules to which he
agreed. He would have this Court ignore both the applicability of the Sports Act and settled case
law which confirm that (i) courts lack jurisdiction over controversies such as this, concerning
athletic eligibility, and (ii) Armstrong’s only recourse is binding arbitration.

The rules applicable to Armstrong are the same rules applicable to every other U.S.
cyclist in the USADA registered testing pool (the “USADA RTP”) and are identical in material
respects to the rules applicable to the nearly 3,000 U.S. athletes from more than 40 Olympic
movement sports2 in the USADA RTP. He attacks the legal process establishing USADA’s
jurisdiction over the members of U.S. sport national governing bodies (“NGBs”), a process
repeatedly upheld by courts and supported by the USOC, NGBs and athletes for more than a
decade. USADA respectfully requests that the Court reject Armstrong’s effort to create a new
set of rules applicable only to him.3

 

[Anonymous]

As I suspected - no balls. BTW - you suggested another rider is a doper, not just LA. LA's defense team could use you, a master of double talk.

I'm outta here.

As I suspected - no balls. BTW - you suggested another rider is a doper, not just LA. LA's defense team could use you, a master of double talk.

I'm sure this must have made sense to you.

Rather than get offended why not just let the process play out?

 

[MarkvW]

If ignorance is bliss then what do we make of willful ignorance?

Ignorance is most definitely bliss...right up until the piano hits you in the noggin. Then you're not ignorant anymore! Different pianos for different heads!

JSeibert is expressing his/her love for Lance. I'm cool with that. JSeibert just needs a bigger piano than some of us did.

My piano was Simeoni.

 

[alberto.legstrong]

I'm sure this must have made sense to you.

Rather than get offended why not just let the process play out?

They seem to get more and more agitated the closer the evidence comes to being aired publicly. It certainly is one sign of a guilty person, although not conclusive. But the apologists must be so intuitively conflicted knowing that they would WANT evidence to come out if they were falsely accused so why does this guy fight so very hard to prevent exaclty that?

It is just hilarious to try and watch them come here and especially in much friendlier forums like slowtwitch to observe otherwise decent and intelligent people try and justify the absurd contradiction to themselves.

It's just part of being human, but I still struggle to understand why the bond with such a blatant POS? If someone accused one of our relatives of doing something heinous, I would bet the vast majority would willingly delude themselves in the face of the facts. But such closeness at least makes it understandable. This guy wouldn't put them out if they were on fire, but they live and die for him..... weird.

 

[DomesticDomestique]

Ignorance is most definitely bliss...right up until the piano hits you in the noggin. Then you're not ignorant anymore! Different pianos for different heads!

JSeibert is expressing his/her love for Lance. I'm cool with that. JSeibert just needs a bigger piano than some of us did.

My piano was Simeoni.

I was considering starting a thread about when we came to light regarding A) his doping and B) the fraud that is the LAF. My "A" moment was Simeoni as well, and my "B" moment was sometime reading the clinic thread on "The blurred lines of livestrong," in the winter of 2010/11. I think the most common answers would be A=Hamilton, B=Bill Gifford's article in Outside.

 

[Fatclimber]

As I suspected - no balls. BTW - you suggested another rider is a doper, not just LA. LA's defense team could use you, a master of double talk.

I'm outta here.

And yet another brilliant post, the ole you ain't got no balls cause you accused a doper without publicizing your name on a public forum. Way to cry and leave when people don't agree with you in a discussion. You made it personal.

BTW, investigations are more effective at catching dopers than testing is. I'm more than happy to have my tax dollars going in that direction.

 

[oldschoolnik]

They seem to get more and more agitated the closer the evidence comes to being aired publicly. It certainly is one sign of a guilty person, although not conclusive. But the apologists must be so intuitively conflicted knowing that they would WANT evidence to come out if they were falsely accused so why does this guy fight so very hard to prevent exaclty that?

It is just hilarious to try and watch them come here and especially in much friendlier forums like slowtwitch to observe otherwise decent and intelligent people try and justify the absurd contradiction to themselves.

It's just part of being human, but I still struggle to understand why the bond with such a blatant POS? If someone accused one of our relatives of doing something heinous, I would bet the vast majority would willingly delude themselves in the face of the facts. But such closeness at least makes it understandable. This guy wouldn't put them out if they were on fire, but they live and die for him..... weird.

I think they haven't read about all the bullying and other terrible behavior like many here have over the years. Also--they usually are not very well read about cycling beyond TDF in July. A few weeks ago I was speaking with some otherwise intelligent friends about Lance's behavior and they were really dug in in defending him and then somehow Bjarne Riis came up and they admitted they didn't even know he confessed and returned his TDF winner's jersey. How can you have an intelligent conversation with someone about doping in cycling when someone doesn't even know the most basic facts about recent cases? You can't! They were also blank when I referenced Puerto...

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