USADA - Armstrong

[alberto.legstrong]

And yet another brilliant post, the ole you ain't got no balls cause you accused a doper without publicizing your name on a public forum. Way to cry and leave when people don't agree with you in a discussion. You made it personal.

BTW, investigations are more effective at catching dopers than testing is. I'm more than happy to have my tax dollars going in that direction.

He took his marble and went home.

 

[gatete]

I rarely discuss Armstrong with friends, but recently met a few people who know I follow the sport - I think they were expecting me to defend LA, but yes I got all the usual questions.

Here is roughly how it went:
So, do you think Armstrong doped?
Yes.
What, but he had cancer.
So, many people who have had cancer continue to smoke.
But he had all those tests, never failed one.
Neither did Marion Jones - the current case is charging a conspiracy, basically having Doctors and others to avoid positive tests.
But why did the others not talk sooner, sounds like they are conspiring against him.
Those who remained silent were scared of retribution from Lance, he is quite litigatious. But they were more scared of the Feds
But he has done so much for cancer.
Ok, what is the name of his charity.
Am, Livestrong.
Nope, its the Lance Armstrong Foundation - Livestrong is a brand name, and one he profits from.
Well, it doesn't matter, they all doped.
No, they didn't. Sure, many who finished high up with him at the Tour did, but many others left the sport disillusioned.
It was a long time ago.
2010 is not a long time ago - and it shows that bullying and bribing others shouldn't be rewarded.
Bullying? Bribing? What do you mean?

(now you have them...)

Please continue... I think you're leaving the best part out, you know the simeoni and such... this is the part that really got me, I knew there were something I didn't like about LA, but when I heard the bullying is what got me to almost despise him.

 

[Turner29]

The Wall Street Journal is well-read. Please go here and help combat Lance's minions from continuing to spread disinformation:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444330904577537673199762652.html#articleTabs=comments

 

[gatete]

If you are accusing someone of doping, you should have the balls to post your name. You and a majority of the others responding to this USADA - Armstrong post are obviously passionate about trying to exposing LA, you should all put your money together and fund the process. Floyd was able to raise more than a million for his defense, maybe you can get those that were duped to support your cause. Its time to move on, I would like to see USADA spending tax payer dollars to proactively stop doping in racing - test at more races, educate young and upcoming athletes and develop better testing.

to the bolded:

see kids this is what happens when you cheat, no matter how long it takes, you always get caught and it will ruin your life and the life of others among you.

 

[Square-pedaller]

I was considering starting a thread about when we came to light regarding A) his doping and B) the fraud that is the LAF. My "A" moment was Simeoni as well, and my "B" moment was sometime reading the clinic thread on "The blurred lines of livestrong," in the winter of 2010/11. I think the most common answers would be A=Hamilton, B=Bill Gifford's article in Outside.

You know, I was thinking about that earlier this evening when I was doing some gardening, and I can't remember!

I've been through a whole load of small steps, each rime thinking that I now knew how bad things were (I'm thinking broadly in cycling, not just LA), and each time being caught out by the next level. I guess seeing each of LA's former lieutenants leave US Postal (or whatever) and perform less while and get busted gradually opened my eyes. Then, when Tyler got busted at the Olympics (Tyler's a nice guy, he can't possibly be doping) I started reading up on the test etc and realised he was.

It's a great topic. You definitely should start a thread.

 

[Deagol]

The Wall Street Journal is well-read. Please go here and help combat Lance's minions from continuing to spread disinformation:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444330904577537673199762652.html#articleTabs=comments

I don't buy it. Those pro-armstrong comments don't read like they were written by your average, mature rational adult. It's just posts of the same old BS we have heard from the trolls banned from here. It's like some brat screaming while they stick their fingers in their ears...

 

[Square-pedaller]

Any link to the actual filing available?

[edit]
found it here
http://a.espncdn.com/pdf/2012/0720/armstrong_motion_to_dismiss.pdf

Interesting read. I've tried reading US legal documents before in the past and never made any headway, but that's like watching someone build an inca stronghold: beautifully morticed, even without mortar ...

 

[eleven]

I guess seeing each of LA's former lieutenants leave US Postal (or whatever) and perform less while and get busted gradually opened my eyes.

What do you mean by that? That the guys who left Postal performed worse after they left?

I find that hard to support. Hamilton won a stage and a classic after he left. I seem to recall Heras won a GT. Landis won the TdF and led the Vuelta. Hincapie continued as a competitive but not great classics guy. Contador went on to win more GT's.

 

[Square-pedaller]

What do you mean by that? That the guys who left Postal performed worse after they left?

I find that hard to support. Hamilton won a stage and a classic after he left. I seem to recall Heras won a GT. Landis won the TdF and led the Vuelta. Hincapie continued as a competitive but not great classics guy. Contador went on to win more GT's.

Yeah. that's more or less what I meant. When they were riding for US postal as domestics they looked invincible, and still managed to pick up the odd stage win along the way. Hincapie won the Queen stage in the Tour, but 'never quite made it' away from US postal. Most of the others were busted quite quickly after leaving USP. Sure, Landis won the TdF, and lasted til some time the following week, the Thursday?

 

[alberto.legstrong]

Yeah. that's more or less what I meant. When they were riding for US postal as domestics they looked invincible, and still managed to pick up the odd stage win along the way. Hincapie won the Queen stage in the Tour, but 'never quite made it' away from US postal. Most of the others were busted quite quickly after leaving USP. Sure, Landis won the TdF, and lasted til some time the following week, the Thursday?

Popo .

 

[Square-pedaller]

Popo .

Yeah, Popo's another.

 

[DominicDecoco]

Someone should really sum this thread up somehow and make a new one.

 

[Radway]

http://a.espncdn.com/pdf/2012/0720/armstrong_motion_to_dismiss.pdf

"USADA respectfully requests that the Court reject Armstrong’s effort to create a new set of rules applicable only to him.3"

"3 The Amended Complaint contains many inaccuracies and incomplete statements. Exhibit 1 is a chart highlighting those inaccuracies."

Here is a link to Exhibit 1:
http://a.espncdn.com/pdf/2012/0720/armstrong_exhibit_1.pdf

 

[sniper]

"USADA respectfully requests that the Court reject Armstrong’s effort to create a new set of rules applicable only to him.3"

"3 The Amended Complaint contains many inaccuracies and incomplete statements. Exhibit 1 is a chart highlighting those inaccuracies."

Here is a link to Exhibit 1:
http://a.espncdn.com/pdf/2012/0720/armstrong_exhibit_1.pdf

Wow, no less than 30 incorrect allegations pointed out in that chart.

 

[Square-pedaller]

Wow, no less than 30 incorrect allegations pointed out in that chart.
(Separate-thread-worthy?)

It's in the legal subthread

 

[Irish2009]

What I most like about USADA's attitude is thier response to the claim(myth) of Armstrong tested negative in the 500 to 600 tests he's done.

I think that they have him over a barrel on this one. How could Armstrong prove it unless he has all the samples retrospectively retested. He cant say they are not the authority for the process and then use thier results as a defence??? Let me know your thoughts please?

 

[MarkvW]

Interesting read. I've tried reading US legal documents before in the past and never made any headway, but that's like watching someone build an inca stronghold: beautifully morticed, even without mortar ...

USADA's brief is a pleasure to read. It gets right to the point.
I'd bet my own money that they'll prevail (figuratively speaking).

 

[MarkvW]

What I most like about USADA's attitude is thier response to the claim(myth) of Armstrong tested negative in the 500 to 600 tests he's done.

I think that they have him over a barrel on this one. How could Armstrong prove it unless he has all the samples retrospectively retested. He cant say they are not the authority for the process and then use thier results as a defence??? Let me know your thoughts please?

How often Lance has been tested is utterly irrelevant to the jurisdiction issue, but Lance asked for it, and they gave it to him in spades.

 

[red_flanders]

Wow, no less than 30 incorrect allegations pointed out in that chart.

Never quite seen anything like it. Could Armstrong's legal team be any more wrong?

 

[Mr.DNA]

What I most like about USADA's attitude is thier response to the claim(myth) of Armstrong tested negative in the 500 to 600 tests he's done.

It feels pretty darned good to see that lie questioned outside the Clinic.

 

[Microchip]

"Sideline" Mark, not "baseline". Since Roger Federer and tennis are now an integral part of this thread, we must strive to be accurate in nitty gritty details.

Note to self: Keep this post handy for next drawing.

 

[Ninety5rpm]

"USADA respectfully requests that the Court reject Armstrong’s effort to create a new set of rules applicable only to him.3"

"3 The Amended Complaint contains many inaccuracies and incomplete statements. Exhibit 1 is a chart highlighting those inaccuracies."

Here is a link to Exhibit 1:
http://a.espncdn.com/pdf/2012/0720/armstrong_exhibit_1.pdf

Wow. Wow. Wow.

 

[MarkvW]

Never quite seen anything like it. Could Armstrong's legal team be any more wrong?

On the 13th, Lance will have to decide whether or not he is going to participate in the arbitration. The federal judge is not going to give him an easy way out.

Just one step closer to Oprah ...

 

[MD FACG FACP]

Wow they went right for the 500 test BULL.....very nice.

 

[Cloxxki]

Wow³ indeed.
Seems Lance needs lawyers that don't make fools of themselves. USADA are having a field day here. No doper will ever hae anything to say after this, they'll just reference this one, as all the lame tricks were tried. Lance's lawyers rate have just come down dramatically. Not for Lance of course, he's got a binding commitment with them. Which makes me smile.

Also, it's amazing how gladly Armstrong wants a spanking from the UCI, and the UCI alone. He trusts them, he'll take their verdict. UCI looks really bad here just being mentioned.