USADA - Armstrong

[Maxiton]

So they're going to indict Floyd? Anybody know what for?

 

[ggusta]

I've been wondering about the effect that certain PEDs (particularly those in cycling) have on one's mood and whether PEDs can be addictive as mood-enhancers? Of course, the fact that (a) you feel physically fitter and (b) you are winning races will both have
obvious positive effects on once mood. But PEDs don't have that immediate physical impact that recreational drugs have, so a true mental addiction to PEDs must be of a different nature.

In any case, it doesn't seem far-fetched to assume Lance is and has been addicted to PEDs.

Any hormone (eg, testosterone) could affect one's mood and make them less stable. No idea what EPO is (beyond that it enhances blood oxygen transportation or what have you) or what it's side effects are other than some people's blood turned to sludge in the 90's. And also no idea what else he may have taken. Ferrari and others' published work may yield some clues.

I don't know if he's subject to any ooc tests now that he has been suspended, so I could imagine usage of something like testosterone might increase simply because he is a male in his late 30's if he has no reason to fear any testing at the moment.

 

[ggusta]

We are approaching post number 10.000 in the next few days.
Can i kindly ask the mods or Mr. Benson what the member who posts the 10.000th comment is awarded with?

10k posts in about 70 days, we're averaging about 131 per day every single day. And well over a million views. Wow.

 

[TubularBills]

So they're going to indict Floyd? Anybody know what for?

It may have something to do with the whistle-blower suit?

"Under the program, tipsters whose information proves crucial to a case could get 10% to 30% of penalties over $1 million."

from the commercial side:

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-sec-whistleblower-20120822,0,593382.story

i.e. if LA forgoes arbitration Floyd is rich, but perhaps there is a clause that eliminates convicted felons... therefore what RR is alluding to is the Feds got a twofer - front page 8/23 = Floyd + Lance.

 

[BroDeal]

Overwhelming evidence of Armstrong's crimes is found but the case is dropped to go after Landis, another whistle-blower. It is tyranny by gross incompetence.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Touché!


Uh, no. How about a signed copy of "We Might As Well Cheat".

Hehe
good one Alpe

 

[Maxiton]

It may have something to do with the whistle-blower suit?

"Under the program, tipsters whose information proves crucial to a case could get 10% to 30% of penalties over $1 million."

from the commercial side:

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-sec-whistleblower-20120822,0,593382.story

i.e. if LA forgoes arbitration Floyd is rich, but perhaps there is a clause that eliminates convicted felons... therefore what RR is alluding to is the Feds got a twofer - front page 8/23 = Floyd + Lance.

Well, last I heard Floyd was under investigation by a fed grand jury in LA. From reading the cryptic posts above, it sounds like the gj maybe came back with an indictment.

 

[TubularBills]

Well, last I heard Floyd was under investigation by a fed grand jury in LA. From reading the cryptic posts above, it sounds like the gj maybe came back with an indictment.

So Birrotte drops the Armstrong case but perpetuates the Landis case?

Sounds like a probable & fully within LA's span of control, a high contender for a translation of RR's cryptic remark.

I think you nailed it.

Also, kinda puts an exclamation mark on his power to intimidate witnesses... If he thinks that would dissuade witnesses I don't think he understands the arbitration process and or documented witness testimonies.

But after all, he never graduated from high school & drugs numb the brain.

 

[Soloist]

If you were at least a teenager (involved in racing) during the days of 7/11, or just the 80's in general, you'd remember a few things about this subject:

1) There was no mindset of PED's. There was the illegal stuff and the not legal stuff. Only the Olympics guys got tested for anything anyway, so grass-roots riders

2) The illegal stuff was either:

A) Steroids (which few commonly believed to be of much use to a cyclist) and

B) Stimulants. Lots of people took "more caffeine than allowed", but it probably didn't do them much good (other than to cause stomach cramps). Then there was SPEED. And that was for track-holes like Whitehead and his gang of track-thugs who used to beat-up juniors in the parking lot.

People (anyone) took whatever the hell some guy down the street said would make them faster. If you think this group is gullible in regards to whatever RaceRadio MAY have meant in his post today, you shoulda been around in the mid eighties. I remember going to GNC and buying Calcium Pangamate (B-15) to help "oxygenate my blood". I remember all kinds of people taking all kinds of things, all the time.

Only post-84 blood-packing scandal did the entire mindset change, and still, people generally didn't believe that cyclists were taking 'roids in the USA until Kenny Carpenter (match sprinter) bailed on his drug test in San Diego that one year when the national track team was training at the SD velodrome.

Cindy Olivarri was on the 84 Olympic team and was doing steroids. They helped her for a while, but steroids were so crude back then that after a few months of taking them, your performance dropped precipitously. She tested positive and the team gave her an out by letting her claim she had mono.

 

[thehog]

So Birrotte drops the Armstrong case but perpetuates the Landis case?

Sounds like a probable & fully within LA's span of control, a high contender for a translation of RR's cryptic remark.

I think you nailed it.

Lance has a deadline to meet tomorrow. He must meet it or else Travis "wins"

Yes Travis "wins"

Lance has a deadline. What's he going to do?

 

[Maxiton]

So Birrotte drops the Armstrong case but perpetuates the Landis case?

Sounds like a probable & fully within LA's span of control, a high contender for a translation of RR's cryptic remark.

I think you nailed it.

Also, kinda puts an exclamation mark on his power to intimidate witnesses... If he thinks that would dissuade witnesses I don't think he understands the arbitration process and or documented witness testimonies.

But after all, he never graduated from high school & drugs numb the brain.

I still think it isn't Floyd they're really after. Floyd is bait for LA. I hope I'm right because if Floyd ends up going to jail while LA walks free: that would just be too much.

 

[mewmewmew13]

lance has a deadline to meet tomorrow. He must meet it or else travis "wins"

yes travis "wins"

lance has a deadline. What's he going to do?

tick tock tick tock .....

 

[TubularBills]

Lance has a deadline to meet tomorrow. He must meet it or else Travis "wins"

Yes Travis "wins"

Lance has a deadline. What's he going to do?

Full panic.

 

[TubularBills]

I still think it isn't Floyd they're really after. Floyd is bait for LA. I hope I'm right because if Floyd ends up going to jail while LA walks free: that would just be too much.

For me too.

 

[thehog]

tick tock tick tock .....

Exactly!

Will Lance let Travis win? or will he fight like hell?

What will Lance do? Rollover? & just take it from Travis?

Tomorrow we'll know.

Is Lance man or mice? Is he weak and won't fight?

 

[BroDeal]

I still think it isn't Floyd they're really after. Floyd is bait for LA. I hope I'm right because if Floyd ends up going to jail while LA walks free: that would just be too much.

Even a scumbag like Papp managed to avoid prison, but pretty much count on Landis getting shafted. Prosecution is probably being driven by Armstrong homers.

 

[Anonymous]

I still think it isn't Floyd they're really after. Floyd is bait for LA. I hope I'm right because if Floyd ends up going to jail while LA walks free: that would just be too much.

I don't see a scenario where Lance comes out whole.

 

[thehog]

Full panic.

Doesn't know what to do with himself.

I can't believe he's going to let Travis win without a fight.

Lance loses. Has a nice ring to it.

Travis wins.

 

[Runitout]

So Birrotte drops the Armstrong case but perpetuates the Landis case?

Sounds like a probable & fully within LA's span of control, a high contender for a translation of RR's cryptic remark.

I think you nailed it.

Also, kinda puts an exclamation mark on his power to intimidate witnesses... If he thinks that would dissuade witnesses I don't think he understands the arbitration process and or documented witness testimonies.

But after all, he never graduated from high school & drugs numb the brain.

Well, without understanding US criminal law, could he:

*subpoena Armstrong to give evidence;
*have him declared hostile when he acts like a socipathic fool; and then
*cross-examine him to hell and high water?

There's more than one way to skin a cat.

I'm not sure what the scope of charges is against Landis, but he could easily take a few others down with him if he were feeling vindictive.

 

[MarkvW]

So Birrotte drops the Armstrong case but perpetuates the Landis case?

Sounds like a probable & fully within LA's span of control, a high contender for a translation of RR's cryptic remark.

I think you nailed it.

Also, kinda puts an exclamation mark on his power to intimidate witnesses... If he thinks that would dissuade witnesses I don't think he understands the arbitration process and or documented witness testimonies.

But after all, he never graduated from high school & drugs numb the brain.

There is no suggestion that Birotte's office is handling a Landis investigation. One clue points to the US Attorney in San Diego.

 

[MarkvW]

We are dealing with, perhaps, the most incompetent man to ever run the Department of Justice. The biggest fraud in the history of the world and this clown could not manage to prosecute a single major figure. Countrywide and Washington Mutual are described as fraud factories in a congressional investigation and the DoJ could not get a single indictment. When UBS was found to have a banking service to aid and abet Americans evading billions of dollars in U.S. taxes, the only person who went to prison was the whistle-blower. Overwhelming evidence of Armstrong's crimes is found but the case is dropped to go after Landis, another whistle-blower. It is tyranny by gross incompetence.

Have you forgotten Ashcroft already? And nobody in the modern era tops John Mitchell.

Can you please take the "overwhelming evidence" myth to another thread? It's off-topic and it introduces unnecessary conflict.

 

[TubularBills]

Well if it does happen tomorrow that Lance finally loses, I say we should get as many people on the forum to get Travis Tygart avatars for a few days.

Game on. I'm in.

Travis for President.

Eloquent. Intelligent. Persistent.

I like our odds.

 

[BroDeal]

Have you forgotten Ashcroft already? And nobody in the modern era tops John Mitchell.

Can you please take the "overwhelming evidence" myth to another thread? It's off-topic and it introduces unnecessary conflict.

I'll take what the Wall Street Journal's sources say about the amount and quality of evidence over your unsupported opinion any day of the week. The only conflict it introduces is from you not wanting to admit that the Journal is right.

 

[Anonymous]

Have you forgotten Ashcroft already? And nobody in the modern era tops John Mitchell.

Can you please take the "overwhelming evidence" myth to another thread? It's off-topic and it introduces unnecessary conflict.

Since you responded...

Nobody, I mean nobody has been as shady and incompetent as Holder. Not in my lifetime anyways. Everything is a political calculation with this guy... Way worse than Clinton ever thought of being... Which is particularly worrisome given Holder's position.

 

[MarkvW]

I'll take what the Wall Street Journal's sources say about the amount and quality of evidence over your unsupported opinion any day of the week. The only conflict it introduces is from you not wanting to admit that the Journal is right.

All we know is that some investigators were disappointed.