USADA - Armstrong

[thehog]

Will his mum be there?

 

[Benotti69]

What do you think he will announce in his statement in 30 minutes time?

He has joined TeamSky

 

[thehog]

Time has been corrected to 7:00 PST. 10:00 EST.

Late timing so the journalists don't have time to write it into a story. They'll just issue the press release.

 

[WinterRider]

What do you think he will announce in his statement in 30 minutes time?

It's good timing to bury bad news. Maybe he'll accept that he will be sanctioned while arguing that it is unfair.

 

[Benotti69]

Will his mum be there?

and all his Dads?

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Will his mum be there?

Yup, and her dozen or so proxies.

Oedipus had nothing on him...

 

[Kender]

Late timing so the journalists don't have time to write it into a story. They'll just issue the press release.

all the makings of a no contest to this witch hunt statement

 

[Benotti69]

Late timing so the journalists don't have time to write it into a story. They'll just issue the press release.

Doesn't matter like that anymore. The stories will be written but the bloggers are where the damage is done these days

 

[LauraLyn]

Thats how I see it too.

He may try a late appeal in the Fed Courts, but that is likely to fail - and be nothing more than grandstanding.

One other point to add if he does not elect to go to arbitration is that a lot of the information could come out when Bruyneel, Marti (and probably some of the witnesses) cases are heard.

Marti = banned. Case closed.

Bruyneel, Celeya, and (hopefully, for Armstrong) del Moral will follow Armstrong. If Armstrong does not go to arbitration, the other three (two?) won't either.

del Moral could be a worry for Armstrong. (His own fault.)

 

[Weapons of @ss Destruction]

His only current route of appeal is the recent decision by Sparks. If he lets the USADA deadline come and go, he'll have nothing to appeal with them, as he refused to engage.

My guess is that he's counting on a real skrew-job from the UCI and their mafia circles. IE, even if the USADA bans him, the UCI, TDF, etc refuse to recognize the decision.

Much as I would like to see USADA have the opportunity to skewer LA in arbitration, I am keeping my eye on the larger prize and would like to see this lead toward an overhaul of the UCI - or at least its management starting with McQuaid, of course. Whether that happens via evidence that comes into the public domain through arbitration with USADA, or else if the IOC is forced to take a great interest when/if UCI breaks WADA code by refusing to acknowledge possible sanctions isn't important to me so long as the result is achieved. If they can take LA down along the way so be it, but in the grand scheme of things the war has to be won against the UCI. If Armstrong goes down, but the UCI remains intact, we've only won the battle. A very critical battle, but definitely not the war.

 

[Carlo Algatrensig]

Time has been corrected to 7:00 PST. 10:00 EST.

Is that 3am BST?

I'm not in work tomorrow so I'm wondering whether its time to make a few strong cups of coffee and hear it live or just go to bed and find out tomorrow morning

 

[Race Radio]

Sorry about the confusion on the times.

It is 10:00 EST 7:00 PST

He has gathers his most loyal propaganda co-conspirators and they will commence the shoveling of BS at demand

It is all Betsy's fault

 

[ÅSBJÖRN BENKT]

Sorry about the confusion on the times.

It is 10:00 EST 7:00 PST

He has gathers his most loyal propaganda co-conspirators and they will commence the shoveling of BS at demand

It is all Betsy's fault

But what's he going to do? Do you know?

 

[Race Radio]

Time has been corrected to 7:00 PST. 10:00 EST.

Armstrong to release statement at 7:00 EST US time.

Guys, how about a little respect....at least quote your source

 

[Epicycle]

Marti = banned. Case closed.

Bruyneel, Celeya, and (hopefully, for Armstrong) del Moral will follow Armstrong. If Armstrong does not go to arbitration, the other three (two?) won't either.

del Moral could be a worry for Armstrong. (His own fault.)

Marti reconsidered and chose arbitration.

 

[Benotti69]

But what's he going to do? Do you know?

Hopefully spill the beans on everyone, especially UCI.

 

[LauraLyn]

Much as I would like to see USADA have the opportunity to skewer LA in arbitration, I am keeping my eye on the larger prize and would like to see this lead toward an overhaul of the UCI - or at least its management starting with McQuaid, of course. Whether that happens via evidence that comes into the public domain through arbitration with USADA, or else if the IOC is forced to take a great interest when/if UCI breaks WADA code by refusing to acknowledge possible sanctions isn't important to me so long as the result is achieved. If they can take LA down along the way so be it, but in the grand scheme of things the war has to be won against the UCI. If Armstrong goes down, but the UCI remains intact, we've only won the battle. A very critical battle, but definitely not the war.

Good point.

If he does not choose, Door #1 Arbitration, it will be a hollow victory for cycling. Since the TdF began riders have been misused by organizers, sponsors, and the media for the benefit of a circus.

Door #2, confession on USADA's terms, the best hope for cycling. A pipe dream (perhaps).

 

[Merckx index]

Breaking news! Pat McQuaid is speaking at the news conference! I managed to get a hold of a copy of his text:

Friends, Texans, countrymen, lend me your ears;
I come to bury Lance, not to praise him.
The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their bones;
So let it be with Lance. The noble George
Hath told you Lance was ambitious:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously hath Lance answer'd it.
Here, under leave of George and the rest -
For George is an honourable man;
So are they all, all honourable men -
Come I to speak in Lance’s funeral.
He was my friend, faithful and just to me:
But George says he was ambitious;
And George is an honourable man.
He hath brought many trophies home to Texas
Whose prizes did the general coffers fill:
Did this in Lance seem ambitious?
When that the sick have cried, Lance hath wept:
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff:
Yet George says he was ambitious;
And George is an honourable man.
You all did see that on the Champs
I thrice presented him the team jersey,
Which he did thrice refuse: was this ambition?
Yet George says he was ambitious;
And, sure, he is an honourable man.
I speak not to disprove what George spoke,
But here I am to speak what I do know.
You all did love him once, not without cause:
What cause withholds you then, to mourn for him?
O judgment! thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason. Bear with me;
My heart is in the coffin there with Lance,
And I must pause till it come back to me.

 

[LauraLyn]

Marti reconsidered and chose arbitration.

Apologies. I confused del Moral and Marti.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Breaking news! Pat McQuaid is speaking at the news conference! I managed to get a hold of a copy of his text:

Friends, Texans, countrymen, lend me your ears;
I come to bury Lance, not to praise him.
The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their bones;
So let it be with Lance. The noble George
Hath told you Lance was ambitious:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously hath Lance answer'd it.
Here, under leave of George and the rest -
For George is an honourable man;
So are they all, all honourable men -
Come I to speak in Lance’s funeral.
He was my friend, faithful and just to me:
But George says he was ambitious;
And George is an honourable man.
He hath brought many trophies home to Texas
Whose prizes did the general coffers fill:
Did this in Lance seem ambitious?
When that the sick have cried, Lance hath wept:
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff:
Yet George says he was ambitious;
And George is an honourable man.
You all did see that on the Champs
I thrice presented him the team jersey,
Which he did thrice refuse: was this ambition?
Yet George says he was ambitious;
And, sure, he is an honourable man.
I speak not to disprove what George spoke,
But here I am to speak what I do know.
You all did love him once, not without cause:
What cause withholds you then, to mourn for him?
O judgment! thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason. Bear with me;
My heart is in the coffin there with Lance,
And I must pause till it come back to me.

Et tu, Brute....

 

[BotanyBay]

Would the UCI recognize USADA's decision? Would he be the 7 times champ in the rest of the world but not in America?

That will be where things get interesting. I think the strategy is going to be to let the USADA cards fall where they may, call McQuaid, force Pat to turn on the thug-screws in regards to the NGB's, Grand Tours, etc. Since Pat's involved in the conspiracy, he'll follow the plan.

The plan being:

Saying "F"-all to WADA and USADA and using-up one of his "get-out-of-jail-free" cards with Hein at the IOC. While they spend the next year "mending fences", the Armstrong stuff will go to the dead-letter-box and hopefully die.

Sucks to be Pat right now. He's Lance's puppet for the time being. Lance owns him.

 

[kcycle12]

Sorry about the confusion on the times.

It is 10:00 EST 7:00 PST

He has gathers his most loyal propaganda co-conspirators and they will commence the shoveling of BS at demand

It is all Betsy's fault

what does this mean? He isnt really going to drag Betsy into it is he?

 

[Benotti69]

That will be where things get interesting. I think the strategy is going to be to let the USADA cards fall where they may, call McQuaid, force Pat to turn on the thug-screws in regards to the NGB's, Grand Tours, etc. Since Pat's involved in the conspiracy, he'll follow the plan.

Sucks to be Pat right now. He's Lance's puppet for the time being. Lance owns him.

WADA wont allow it and IOC will have to pull McQuaid back then Armstrong will be forced to reveal UCI corruption which he has been a part of and destroy his own image, unlikley.

 

[Race Radio]

what does this mean? He isnt really going to drag Betsy into it is he?

It's always Betsy's fault

 

[LauraLyn]

1. Sucks to be Pat right now. 2. He's Lance's puppet for the time being. Lance owns him.

1. A lifetime of truth.
2. It is no longer about Pat McQuaid. It is now about UCI. It is more complicated than you suggest, and certainly too much there for Lance to own. The bigger question is how much does Messick own, and in particular with regard to this side of the pond.