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JPM London

JPM London

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Amaury is just as interesting. As far as I am aware they are under no obligation to follow up on the USADA ruling (maybe AFLD has a role to play?). If they don't want to, they could leave their record books unedited. If the UCI accepts it, Amaury will too, but I think public pressure and pressure from other stakeholders (or not) in the sport is more likely to be the trigger which forces them to act.
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I've been wondering about this one a lot as well.
Not only as to what they would do, but just as much as to what they should do.

In the end Riis stayed as winner in 96. No strips have been made on either of the following 2 years either.
Stripping Armstrong , who would they give it to? Probably leave blank is the best option. But then - shouldn't they also then leave 96 blank as well? And what sense is there in NOT leaving 97 or 98 blank?

Easiest thing to do is obviously nothing. Leave as is. But will they be able to do that?
It's a french race, they've been saying he's been cheating throughout the years and are now - or highly likely, very shortly at least - legally entitled to pull off his crown.
If nothing happens how will L'Equipe react? AFLD? The french public?
 
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No_Balls

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Conclusion: defense strategy by Armstrong works brilliantly. No clear verdicts, only doubts and accusations, ending with a feel-good story. Great work, mr Armstrong.
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In opposition i dont think his defense-letter was good at all. Calling it "criminal investigation" bullying around with emotional outbursts such as "charades", "nonsense", calling it "unfair and unjust" while himself trying to sneak out the backdoor with his supposed reputation intact (which is damaged either way) instead of standing up against it, giving himself the possibility of laying all this charges to rest. It doesnt look good to say the least.

He could have done much better in this hour of shame.
 
Bavarianrider

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JPM London said:
I've been wondering about this one a lot as well.
Not only as to what they would do, but just as much as to what they should do.

In the end Riis stayed as winner in 96. No strips have been made on either of the following 2 years either.
Stripping Armstrong , who would they give it to? Probably leave blank is the best option. But then - shouldn't they also then leave 96 blank as well? And what sense is there in NOT leaving 97 or 98 blank?

Easiest thing to do is obviously nothing. Leave as is. But will they be able to do that?
It's a french race, they've been saying he's been cheating throughout the years and are now - or highly likely, very shortly at least - legally entitled to pull off his crown.
If nothing happens how will L'Equipe react? AFLD? The french public?
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Riis wasn't stripped cause it was outside the time frame. In Armstrong's case as he is not only charged with taking drugs, but also spreading and organising doping, there is no such thing like a time limit. As the Wada Code states, in such a case all results are stripped, no matter when they were. And UCI ha ssigned this Wada Code
 
Briant_Gumble

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Very good article from probably the premier sports publication in the country.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mo...g-drops-doping-fight/?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a0
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The problem with that article is that it operates under an assumption that Armstrong is a nicer guy than he is and that Livestrong has generated millions for cancer research seemingly with a belief that most of it was generates by Armstrong.

This really isn't the case, once these guys start digging there's lots to find.
 
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Baffling the amount of people I've witnessed in the last 7 hours or so who have said "he raised millions for cancer research". I love correcting that lie. I've taken on as many apologists on social media today as I possibly could, but it's still a needle in a haystack. The best thing everyone can do right now is to fight his PR campaign with real information, and not let lies and deceit win this day.
 
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Bavarianrider said:
Riis wasn't stripped cause it was outside the time frame. In Armstrong's case as he is not only charged with taking drugs, but also spreading and organising doping, there is no such thing like a time limit. As the Wada Code states, in such a case all results are stripped, no matter when they were. And UCI ha ssigned this Wada Code
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And Riis wasn't charged with anything. No Anti-doping agency handled his case. There was no guilty verdict. Only an admission. There is a big difference. WADA can enforce this.
 
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Armstrong arrogant even after admitting doping, asserts former White house and WADA spokesman Robert Weiner; Admission Huge Victory for Clean Sport but "Dark Message" Shows Science Must Catch Up to Masking Agents Allowing Athletes to Cheat

Robert Weiner: "I remember Frank Shorter, USADA's Chairman and an American Olympic marathon gold medalist, telling me during the Sydney Olympics, while were waiting to start a drug-testing news conference, 'Watch who comes late to the Games so they drop their positives before we can test them,' and Armstrong was one of those," Weiner said. Armstrong then won his Olympic bronze in Sydney. "There was nothing the science could do then, and now. It misses huge quantities of dopers, though the testing is getting better and better and more sophisticated."
 
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Armstrong arrogant even after admitting doping, asserts former White house and WADA spokesman Robert Weiner; Admission Huge Victory for Clean Sport but "Dark Message" Shows Science Must Catch Up to Masking Agents Allowing Athletes to Cheat

Robert Weiner: "I remember Frank Shorter, USADA's Chairman and an American Olympic marathon gold medalist, telling me during the Sydney Olympics, while were waiting to start a drug-testing news conference, 'Watch who comes late to the Games so they drop their positives before we can test them,' and Armstrong was one of those," Weiner said. Armstrong then won his Olympic bronze in Sydney. "There was nothing the science could do then, and now. It misses huge quantities of dopers, though the testing is getting better and better and more sophisticated."
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Who were the others?
 
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webvan

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who;s up for a laugh?

http://www.johanbruyneel.com/blog/article/unfair-fight
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JB is in a bit of a fix isn't he...unlike Dopestrong he can't take his ball and go home as he would be out of a job on the spot and would only be reinstated in case he goes to CAS and they side with him but since he'd have forfeited AAA arbitration that's unlikely.

So off we go to arbitration, hopefully public, best way to show that whole process is unfair right ?

So when is the USADA coming up with the sanction? I'm sure they will have been very pleased with the "notice", i.e. threat...
 
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neineinei said:
Armstrong arrogant even after admitting doping, asserts former White house and WADA spokesman Robert Weiner; Admission Huge Victory for Clean Sport but "Dark Message" Shows Science Must Catch Up to Masking Agents Allowing Athletes to Cheat

Robert Weiner: "I remember Frank Shorter, USADA's Chairman and an American Olympic marathon gold medalist, telling me during the Sydney Olympics, while were waiting to start a drug-testing news conference, 'Watch who comes late to the Games so they drop their positives before we can test them,' and Armstrong was one of those," Weiner said. Armstrong then won his Olympic bronze in Sydney. "There was nothing the science could do then, and now. It misses huge quantities of dopers, though the testing is getting better and better and more sophisticated."
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Interesting piece.
Armstrong's Latest Statement, "Everyone Knows Who Won," [is] Outrageous and Wrong—Everyone Now Knows Who Cheated, Weiner Asserts
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pugdog said:
Who were the others?
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good point
 
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Someone needs to call Armstrong out on some facts:
1) The arbtration process is not unfair. The court decided his due process claims were "without merit"
2) The arbitratoin would not be biased: Armstrong would have chosen one of the three arbitrators and voted on another
3) UCI did not instruct USADA to stop the process. The told USAC to do so, but USAC pointedly did not do as UCI asked.
 
L'Etranger

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It may not signify anything, but I found it mildly interesting that one piece on the Equipe site this morning, about the twitter reactions to the news, says "Armstrong is going to be stripped of his 7 TdF titles". L'Equipe is of course owned by ASO, which also runs the Tour. But it may just be incautious wording by a journalist rather than an acceptance by ASO that Armstrong will be removed from the winners list.

http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Quand-twitter-s-enflamme/308097
 
Benotti69

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Beginning of the end.

I imagine it will get messy over the next few years will lots of posturing and threatened libel actions by Armstrongs paid liars.

I dont think that Armstrong is gonna be in a good place in the future. Jake La Motta springs to mind.

I really hope WADA backs this to the hilt and make IOC also rubber stamp it.

I see McQuaid quietly resigning his post in the next few months if UCI can take Armstrong's side.

Will Bruyneel bother with his case? I doubt it unless Armstrong makes him just to get his hands on the evidence to chase various witnesses around restaurants and shopping malls.

I hope this has sent out a big signal to sport that doping will catch up with you, especially if you are a sociopath.

Indurain should come out and confess to his true performances.
 
JPM London

JPM London

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In opposition i dont think his defense-letter was good at all. Calling it "criminal investigation" bullying around with emotional outbursts such as "charades", "nonsense", calling it "unfair and unjust" while himself trying to sneak out the backdoor with his supposed reputation intact (which is damaged either way) instead of standing up against it, giving himself the possibility of laying all this charges to rest. It doesnt look good to say the least.

He could have done much better in this hour of shame.
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In other words - the more words he's using, the less he has to say :)
 
veganrob

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Benotti69 said:
Beginning of the end.

I imagine it will get messy over the next few years will lots of posturing and threatened libel actions by Armstrongs paid liars.

I dont think that Armstrong is gonna be in a good place in the future. Jake La Motta springs to mind.

I really hope WADA backs this to the hilt and make IOC also rubber stamp it.

I see McQuaid quietly resigning his post in the next few months if UCI can take Armstrong's side.

Will Bruyneel bother with his case? I doubt it unless Armstrong makes him just to get his hands on the evidence to chase various witnesses around restaurants and shopping malls.

I hope this has sent out a big signal to sport that doping will catch up with you, especially if you are a sociopath.

Indurain should come out and confess to his true performances.
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Yes. And then a new beginning for better cycling and hopefully sorts in general

Indeed could be a challenging future for LA. No triathlon, no cycling, no more power, no intimidation. That's a bigee

All the stuff he lived for, gone.

UCI wlii certainly be partially dismantled, PAt gone.

Armstrong definitely does not want Bruyneel to go to arbitration or anywhere where he will be further exposed. Then his lame defiance and all the good I've done will be crushed forever.

Yes. Great day for a new beginning. The witch is dead.

Halelujah
 
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