USADA - Armstrong

[Velodude]

Australian writer = Rupert Guinness?
American writer = ?
British writer = ?

I am still wading through a truckload of posts. This may have been answered.

It was Rupert Guinees who gave David Walsh a lift in his car and for that assistance he ended up on the LA journalists' black list.

No longer a "fan with a typewriter" as cycling journalists who had access to LA were called.

PS
The fat lady is waiting in the wings stage right. She asked me if she can sing now

 

[TubularBills]

Even as good people resisted the temptation to cheat at post count sniping, there were others that had no qualms. Everyone was forced to delete or they would not be in the game at all. I was not able to get a date to my high school prom. I too eventually gave in to deleting, but it was only to level the playing field. There was no unfair advantage. I feel ashamed of what I did.

I will be starting a youth team where members can post in full confidence that they do not have to delete prior posts to achieve post position goals.

Thread Doping should carry a lifetime ban.

 

[86TDFWinner]

the next 2-3 weeks we will read an overwhelming amount of information. The groupies will have to twist into absurd levels to continue to ignore the obvious

You know they will regardless of whatever proof/evidence comes out. Ray Charles could see he's guilty, but thats not good enough for the Lance jock sniffers, the guy WILL NEVER BE GUILTY in their eyes, no matter the proof.

 

[El Oso]

LOL, I just got this in my inbox from World Cycling Productions (which I believe was or is owned by Phil):

The Great Lance Armstrong DVD Collection ON SALE + 25-40%+ OFF Sitewide!

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Even as good people resisted the temptation to cheat at post count sniping, there were others that had no qualms. Everyone was forced to delete or they would not be in the game at all. I was not able to get a date to my high school prom. I too eventually gave in to deleting, but it was only to level the playing field. There was no unfair advantage. I feel ashamed of what I did.

I will be starting a youth team where members can post in full confidence that they do not have to delete prior posts to achieve post position goals.

ROFL.

And now let me get serious: I can´t forgive you for now, but i appreciate your admission.
May time will heal all wounds, and i can one day hail you again as a true honest poster.

 

[TubularBills]

Is this going to be a 2012 performance or a 2011 performance? I guess he's free to get dope from anyone now and chat up Ferrari too.

Mods: Does this mean we can only post comments regarding LA Here?:

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=11457&page=66

 

[86TDFWinner]

Why. the. hell. do. you. keep. putting. dang. periods.after. every. word. ?. aggrevating. boner. head.
funny how he knew we were talking about lemond when "tool" was the only word mentioned.

Because. I. was. on. my. phone.typing. corky.

Why is Lemond a "tool"?

 

[will10]

Even as good people resisted the temptation to cheat at post count sniping, there were others that had no qualms. Everyone was forced to delete or they would not be in the game at all. I was not able to get a date to my high school prom. I too eventually gave in to deleting, but it was only to level the playing field. There was no unfair advantage. I feel ashamed of what I did.

I will be starting a youth team where members can post in full confidence that they do not have to delete prior posts to achieve post position goals.

very good.

 

[86TDFWinner]

that's hogwash.

What is?

who gives a crap what racers think?

Apparently, several, but if you supposedly 'dont care", then why are you posting a response to it, if you "dont care"? why not just ignore it, and NOT post?

Arrogance? what are you ten?

Nope, we're all 15, are you 10, you post like you are.

All said and done Lance is still a hero

Did you take a poll of every single person in the US to come to this conclusion, or are you just talking out of your a$$ again?

Has nothing to do with some technicalities of racing

Huh? I'm completely lost here, what are you trying to say?

His work ethic speaks loud and clear

Right! you mean the one where he was doped to the gills with EPO's to cheat others? some "work ethic".

Small minded haters have their work cut out for them for many years to come.

Again, I'm completely lost here, this entire sentence is nonsensical, what is it you were trying to say here exactly?

It's a shame you've deprived some poor village of their missing idiot.

 

[fatandfast]

will the USADA now retest all other Tour results? Why are any results completed and verified by the UCI to be acknowledged as legit? If the USADA thrumps all why not get the weewee in the first place rather than let the TDF andf McQuaid mishandle it?

 

[cyclestationgiuseppe]

I need some PED's just to read through all the posts here since yesterday. When I left last night it was at 9800....

 

[rhubroma]

I didn't say you didn't post. I said you weren't contesting specious posts provided they toed the proper line.

The fact that some of my arguments sound like Armstomgs does't make me a fan, intern or sychophant, it makes me a realist and critic of media politics in this country. (A position that more might consider holding).

He didn't make himself that on his own: many corporations and consumers helped out.

Again, he is only that way now for you: history won't judge it that way.

At last I’ve understood why some sustain “there is no ethics without faith.” Lance A., kept within the comfort of his millions, was able to explain ethical arguments that were so specious as to make even the mentally sound the most fervent believer. The faith in the public, the absence of tears, the announcement of purification, the Gods who hold the reins of destiny, the perception (as if physic) that the horizon beckons well and, in short, the legal complexity, seems to recall another Golgotha. Complete with the agonizing question, “Why me?,” which the Nazarene , so modestly (he didn’t read all this ****), asked the Almighty.

A banal atheist like me, even if I wanted to face an accusation like this, would only be capable of formulating the following question: did I or did I not do the huge ****-up they accuse me of? I’m sure you understand that mine is a basic ethic, even rudimentary. 2000 years of legal posturing, founded upon a relationship between wealth and its power more intricate than Kama sutra, gives to those such as Armstrong a considerable advantage. Thier ethical performance, we, can only dream of.

 

[Carols]

Have written to media@usada.org to express my appreciation.
Also have written to media.europe@nike.com to inform them of my boycott.

Hope many will do the same.... Thanks

I just did!

 

[Benotti69]

will the USADA now retest all other Tour results? Why are any results completed and verified by the UCI to be acknowledged as legit? If the USADA thrumps all why not get the weewee in the first place rather than let the TDF andf McQuaid mishandle it?

Not enough to catch the most TdF winner due to dope to satisfy you. You want more, thats the right attitude FAF. Lets get them all, but we'll start with head honchos first.

 

[86TDFWinner]

(My apologies to all if it's been asked already, can someone please repost if it has) I'm curious to know what Trek's response to all of this has been?

 

[argyllflyer]

Of course he did, did you expect anything else?

No, but I don't believe I said that. What Tygart said was that everyone was offered the same deal: come in and talk to us; let us get rid of the dodgy doctors to protect the next generation from their influence. Lance was one rider who refused to play ball. Most of the others were open and talked. I assume the ones less forthcoming were those charged by USADA.

He no doubt had too much to lose to be honest. Hell mend him, as we say here in Scotland.

 

[D-Queued]

Congratulations to Andreas Kloden for winning Stage 17 of the 2004 Tour de France*









*Stage where Armstrong advised Floyd to "Run like you stole something". As Lance crossed the finish line inches ahead of Kloden, Ligget exclaimed, "Is there any stopping Lance Armstrong?"

Yes, Phil, and you could have done stopped him by reporting honestly.

Ultimately, the truth confirmed that Lance stole something.

Dave.

 

[WinterRider]

Wow - they sure don't pull any punches. And it is refreshing to hear people separate what somebody does for cancer and that they are a drugs fraud.
Thanks for that.

Great interview, I'm listening to the post comments now. Fantastic!

 

[Dr. Maserati]

No, you didn't, but others have in recent posts. Rather than "clog the toilet" it's easier to redact.

You have no idea what I critique on; and in this forum alone I have been explicitly critical of all manner of media within the politics' threads.

You said you were the media critic - thats what I am basing it on, your posts - this is a cycling forum I have no interest in participating in the politics thread, but if you were objective than I would expect more discussion on other riders. You don't.

I would call today a vindication of what you know. There's been nothing confirmed beyond what has already been available. (Who's gonna fire up the Levi fairness fund?)

He has had the tour titles stripped by the USADA. And, again, for the "casual" fan, when there's no remotely acceptable resolution to the award of titles for that decade (Klo (umlaut)den) under investigation....

How harshly do you think the casual fan is going to judge that.

Casual fan has never heard of Kloden (or Levi) - they heard today LA had all his Tours stripped.

I will be talking to some casual fans very soon, it will be interesting to see what they say and ask about.
Casual fans may not understand the intricacies of doping or how the process of anti-doping works, but they appreciate that for LA to have had all Tours stripped and a lifetime ban the scale of the offenses must have been equally large.

 

[TubularBills]

(My apologies to all if it's been asked already, can someone please repost if it has) I'm curious to know what Trek's response to all of this has been?

"Trek, the bike company with whom Armstrong has a sponsorship agreement, said it is analyzing the situation and following developments. The company also sells two fitness-style bikes that are branded "Livestrong."

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/lance-armstrongs-sponsors-stand-doping-accusations/story?id=17073385#.UDfxN6PhdEs

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I need some PED's just to read through all the posts here since yesterday. When I left last night it was at 9800....

No way you´ll make it. That´s like reading a whole book...

 

[86TDFWinner]

No, but I don't believe I said that. What Tygart said was that everyone was offered the same deal: come in and talk to us; let us get rid of the dodgy doctors to protect the next generation from their influence. Lance was one rider who refused to play ball. Most of the others were open and talked. I assume the ones less forthcoming were those charged by USADA.

He no doubt had too much to lose to be honest. Hell mend him, as we say here in Scotland.

No, I was saying that I'm not surprised at all that the uniballer didn't comply and/or cooperate with them. I know you didn't say that, I was asking if you thought that was a surprise considering....Lance never cooperates.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I just did!

Great. Hope you informed Nike too.

 

[aphronesis]

At last I’ve understood why some sustain “there is no ethics without faith.” Lance A., kept within the comfort of his millions, was able to explain ethical arguments that were so specious as to make even the mentally sound the most fervent believer. The faith in the public, the absence of tears, the announcement of purification, the Gods who hold the reins of destiny, the perception (as if physic) that the horizon beckons well and, in short, the legal complexity, seems to recall another Golgotha. Complete with the agonizing question, “Why me?,” which the Nazarene , so modestly (he didn’t read all this ****), asked the Almighty.

A banal atheist like me, even if I wanted to face an accusation like this, would only be capable of formulating the following question: did I or did I not do the huge ****-up they accuse me of? I’m sure you understand that mine is a basic ethic, even rudimentary. 2000 years of legal posturing, founded upon a relationship between wealth and its power more intricate than Kama sutra, gives to those such as Armstrong a considerable advantage. Thier ethical performance, we, can only dream of.

I do understand that, but given the duplicity and corruption of which you accuse almost any monetized power-or explicitly politicized economy--I would think that a thinking of foucault and klossowski on ethics and power might be more germane to LA's psyche than any humanist, individualized norm.

 

[86TDFWinner]

"Trek, the bike company with whom Armstrong has a sponsorship agreement, said it is analyzing the situation and following developments. The company also sells two fitness-style bikes that are branded "Livestrong."

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/lance-armstrongs-sponsors-stand-doping-accusations/story?id=17073385#.UDfxN6PhdEs

Thanks alot...was hoping they'd launch him.