Valentin Iglinskiy positive for EPO

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Valentin, the un-cool brother.

 

[Ferminal]

Then Astana better pray that the Czechs stands up to UCI and lets Kreuziger off. His hearing is supposed to be right around the corner, and Il Lombardia can be in play for Astana. Of course if he is freed by the Czechs UCI will take it to CAS, and who knows when the case will be finished then. Maybe just in time for Giro d'Italia?

Not sure Astana care enough about the wet lettuce to let it stop them...

Poor Val never had the uber talent of Max, I'd dope too in that situation.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Actually, it's worse than that. MPCC have recently changed their rules. An ABP suspension would now also count for the two strikes. As would disciplinary action for betting, or a motor or the such like. Deets

Aaaaahhh! Roman too. Does the UCI want Astana off the world tour?

The only thing I think about is Verbruggen's ' I can make anyone positive.'

 

[sniper]

Aaaaahhh! Roman too. Does the UCI want Astana off the world tour?

The only thing I think about is Verbruggen's ' I can make anyone positive.'

it's quick handling from astana. bam, fired.
no beating around the bush.
i think it's fair to assume zorzoli tipped astana off days ago.
"look, Alex, I've got four Astana positives lying on my desk. I'm afraid this time I can only make three disappear."

 

[sniper]

let's not assume Iglinskiy is the only astana rider testing positive.
"look, Alex, I've got four Astana positives lying on my desk. I'm afraid this time I can only make three disappear. Here are the names, make your pick. You've still got our swiss bankaccount number, right?"

 

[hrotha]

Aaaaahhh! Roman too. Does the UCI want Astana off the world tour?

The only thing I think about is Verbruggen's ' I can make anyone positive.'

Hein said a lot of stuff. That thing in particular sounded like a bluff.

 

[sniper]

Hein said a lot of stuff. That thing in particular sounded like a bluff.

not sure. that statement wasn't necessarily about hein creating positives out of the blue.
hein knew they were all on the juice.
if he wanted anyone to be positive all he'd have to do is make sure the guy gets properly target tested.
edit: and i reckon not much has changed since.

 

[sniper]

...
If Astana gets another doping violation within 12 months MPCC ruels says they have to suspend themselves from their next world tour race (like Ag2r did after the positves from Hounard and Georges). Don't know if anything else happens on the MPCC front.

imagine if Iglinskiy would still be riding for Ag2R.
are there MPCC rules for three positives in two years?
(not that i think UCI would let that happen, but still)

 

[DirtyWorks]

not sure. that statement wasn't necessarily about hein creating positives out of the blue.
hein knew they were all on the juice.
if he wanted anyone to be positive all he'd have to do is make sure the guy gets properly target tested.
edit: and i reckon not much has changed since.

Ding! Ding! Ding! Can you think of a better way to control the athletics-side of the sport? I can't.

I get the impression many letters are sent out asking for abnormal results explanations.

Also, let's not forget Landis' positive was quite complicated to prove as compared to say a FuYu Li or JTL and yet, the UCI pursued it relentlessly.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

these guys like Di Luca, Santambrogio, Ullisi and now this guy - yet are beaten by 'clean' riders like they are Juniors.

This is Valentin, not Maxim. Valentin's always been fairly anonymous.

once his brother had won Liege, he would have always had a contract.

Like the twins Peter and Martin Velits, the less talented one gets a contract courtesy of his brother. aka The Nick Gates role.

Except that Valentin left Astana at the end of the year after Maxim won Liège.

You can probably chalk this up to the "Steve Houanard rule". Hrotha was probably close with the Vino "you need to step up your results to get a contract renewal. We won't ask questions, you won't tell us lies" approach.

Astana give precisely zero flying ones about doping, but an expendable domestique testing positive late in the season isn't the smoking gun it could have been had it been somebody more integral.

 

[fmk_RoI]

You can probably chalk this up to the "Steve Houanard rule".

That is the logical explanation.

But consider the conspiracy theory. Each year (for the last few years) the CADF declares the TdF results clean. Then a few weeks later they nab a mid-to-low profile rider. The sublimable message being the tests really do work and the lack of doping positives at the Tour is proof of a lack of doping at the Tour. So Nibali's team-mate testing positive is actually proof that Nibali is clean.

 

[Benotti69]

That is the logical explanation.

But consider the conspiracy theory. Each year (for the last few years) the CADF declares the TdF results clean. Then a few weeks later they nab a mid-to-low profile rider. The sublimable message being the tests really do work and the lack of doping positives at the Tour is proof of a lack of doping at the Tour. So Nibali's team-mate testing positive is actually proof that Nibali is clean.

Only to those gullible enough.

 

[hrotha]

Only to those gullible enough.

Well those are the ones such a PR move would be targeting in the first place.

 

[ralphbert]

So Nibali's team-mate testing positive is actually proof that Nibali is clean.

Seems legit

 

[blackcat]

Except that Valentin left Astana at the end of the year after Maxim won Liège.

You can probably chalk this up to the "Steve Houanard rule". Hrotha was probably close with the Vino "you need to step up your results to get a contract renewal. We won't ask questions, you won't tell us lies" approach.

Astana give precisely zero flying ones about doping, but an expendable domestique testing positive late in the season isn't the smoking gun it could have been had it been somebody more integral.

yeah, but he came back tho, i dont think he did anything of note at AG2R

anyway, point still stands.

The Nick Gates rule

 

[Beech Mtn]

Four year ban already handed down (article in Spanish)

Hope the guy at least got some kind of payout to admit, not implicate the team, not defend himself in any way, and still get the max sentence without kicking up a public fuss about it.

 

[noddy69]

That is the logical explanation.

But consider the conspiracy theory. Each year (for the last few years) the CADF declares the TdF results clean. Then a few weeks later they nab a mid-to-low profile rider. The sublimable message being the tests really do work and the lack of doping positives at the Tour is proof of a lack of doping at the Tour. So Nibali's team-mate testing positive is actually proof that Nibali is clean.

Yes to the armchair fans with no real interest or just blind fan boys so it works on sheer numbers of lunatics willing to believe something so ridiculous.

Its like a 3 yr old with chocolate all over face staring right at you and declaring that it was not he who ate the bar !

 

[neineinei]

Already the day after the announcement of the positive it was reported he'd been banned for 4 years by the Kazakhs.

http://sportparad.ru/Avto/news/opya...entin-iglinskiy-diskvalifitsirovan-na-4-goda/

He is still listed on the provisonally suspension list of UCI, and not on the sanctioned list.

Four years usually means it is the second offence. It could also mean that there were aggrevating circumstances, like trying to refuse to provide sample, tampering or something like that. But the Kazakhstan Cycling Federation might have their own reasons.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Already the day after the announcement of the positive it was reported he'd been banned for 4 years by the Kazakhs.

http://sportparad.ru/Avto/news/opya...entin-iglinskiy-diskvalifitsirovan-na-4-goda/

He is still listed on the provisonally suspension list of UCI, and not on the sanctioned list.

Four years usually means it is the second offence. It could also mean that there were aggrevating circumstances, like trying to refuse to provide sample, tampering or something like that. But the Kazakhstan Cycling Federation might have their own reasons.

they are leading cycling into a brighter future with longer bans. Kazakhstan leading the battle against doping

 

[DirtyWorks]

they are leading cycling into a brighter future with longer bans. Kazakhstan leading the battle against doping

Because the last dictator in Europe wants to host an Olympic games or three and doping is considered "a problem" for the country. Like Jamaica beyond JADCO, no public evidence anywhere to corroborate this.

http://www.insidethegames.biz/olymp...onference-it-is-serious-about-tackling-doping

 

[GuyIncognito]

Looks like a desperate attempt to pick up a WT contract by him. Clearly it didn't really help him perform that well.

He only got a contract in the first place because Vino was trying to motivate the good Iglinsky to win a crap cat.2 race in Kazakhstan "for the sponsors", so ended up promising to hire his crap brother in exchange for a win

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=25153
This happened and Valentin got his 1 year deal

 

[del1962]

Because the last dictator in Europe wants to host an Olympic games or three and doping is considered "a problem" for the country. Like Jamaica beyond JADCO, no public evidence anywhere to corroborate this.

http://www.insidethegames.biz/olymp...onference-it-is-serious-about-tackling-doping

Kazakhstan is in Europe?

OK I am being a pedant here, but when ppl talk about the last dictator in Europe, the normal reference is Belarus.