Valverde banned for 2 years?

[Libertine Seguros]

not anglophone, but british and french teams and riders seem to be a lot cleaner than the italians and the spanish. as for hayles, i can tell you for certain he is not a doper.

How, are you him, or his roommate? Geraint Thomas said he had no idea Moises Dueñas was doping, and he roomed with him at Barloworld.

the way british cycling works is that their system gets kids at an early age and works with them over the years, the best rise to the top - this is due to their physical advantages, such as lots of red blood cells, etc.

Oh, I get it, it's like Sporting Darwinism. Gee, it's a shame no other country has thought to do that, otherwise they'd have the best riders who were all clean as well! This must be the new scientific approach Brailsford was talking about! Did you hear they put riders in wind tunnels too? Bet those backwater provincial fools in the non-Anglo world never thought of that!

this is where the blood passport thing falls down IMO, if you have a clean rider who has naturally high HCT then he is ******ed. they are probably chosen in british cycling on HTC levels so as to get a close to the dopers as possible naturally.

Or you know, you just get a doctor's note explaining your high hct, like Damiano Cunego, who has an enormous hct because of generations of his family living at altitude. There is no comparable altitude in the UK.

 

[Thee_chisa]

How, are you him, or his roommate? Geraint Thomas said he had no idea Moises Dueñas was doping, and he roomed with him at Barloworld.


Oh, I get it, it's like Sporting Darwinism. Gee, it's a shame no other country has thought to do that, otherwise they'd have the best riders who were all clean as well! This must be the new scientific approach Brailsford was talking about! Did you hear they put riders in wind tunnels too? Bet those backwater provincial fools in the non-Anglo world never thought of that!



Or you know, you just get a doctor's note explaining your high hct, like Damiano Cunego, who has an enormous hct because of generations of his family living at altitude. There is no comparable altitude in the UK.

but there is a well known culture of cheating in italy especially, it is often said that the riders' doctors are usually ahead of the investigations in their ability. and the thing with puerto seems to lump the spanish in there too.

 

[Race Radio]

does he still lose a years salary?

I do not think that has ever been enforced.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I'm wondering, is there a double-jeopardy type rule that would apply in this situation? The Italian ban is up May, 2011, but the UCI one is up Dec, 31, 2011. Will Valverde be racing in Italy during the late 2011 season? Or does the UCI ban supersede the Italian one?

I wonder if the Spanish fed will have the cajones to let him keep racing in Spain for the duration. After all, their justices say the Italians had no right to use evidence in the case.

Laura, on the 'double jeopardy' issue - it was covered in part 18.0 to 18.16 (pages 53 to 56) in the TAS/CAS ruling.

This is a ruling made by CAS - all stakeholders,(the athletes, Feds etc) agree to its rulings with the only way of an appeal through the Swiss Courts.
The CAS ruling makes it a worldwide ban which therefore means Valvpiti will not be allowed compete in Italy (or anywhere) until 2012.......(unless he does a DiLuca )

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Portugal, too, is especially bad. The USA, from the sounds of things, ain't much better.

One thing though. There are a lot more Spaniards and Italians in the pro péloton than there are Britons. Even the French have their fair share of positive tests - Larpe for EPO and Aurélien Duval for diet suppressants in the last few months spring to mind.

If you were to tot up the number of Spaniards or Italians who raced last year's Tour de France and said how many had confirmed doping violations against their names, there's a good chance they wouldn't match the 25% managed by Great Britain because of David Millar.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

not anglophone, but british and french teams and riders seem to be a lot cleaner than the italians and the spanish. as for hayles, i can tell you for certain he is not a doper. the way british cycling works is that their system gets kids at an early age and works with them over the years, the best rise to the top - this is due to their physical advantages, such as lots of red blood cells, etc. this is where the blood passport thing falls down IMO, if you have a clean rider who has naturally high HCT then he is ******ed. they are probably chosen in british cycling on HTC levels so as to get a close to the dopers as possible naturally.

I really would not go with the nationality card - doping is a sporting problem, not a cultural one.

If a rider has a high HCT then they can get a dispensation for this that allows them to be 52%.

David Millar was part of British Cycling as was Neil Campbell.

Doping is not confined to borders or nationality.

 

[Beech Mtn]

If I was Valverde I would take the UCI to the Swiss courts & use the Armstrong precedent. That should set him free.

Will thisdo?:

Valverde's statement said the court agreed that "none of the victories were obtained through use of prohibited practices, which is confirmed because Alejandro Valverde, possibly the most controlled the athlete in the world, has never failed a doping test."

Lance is going to have to sue Valv.piti for copyright infringement. Surely these slogans must have been trademarked long ago?

 

[Kender]

if he decides to appeal yet again i hope they decide to overrule the penalty and remove all his results from 2006 onwards

it's not acceptable to keep trying to play the system like he has for the last 4 years even after DNA evidence has proven he was involved. it sets a bad example. at least basso accepted the evidence and came clean even if it was a BS excuse (intention to dope)

 

[barn yard]

nice little distraction from flandis

 

[Neworld]

I am glad that Piti is gone, but for 18months, when there is OP DNA evidence dating back to 2006. His suspension should be since the 'inception' of doping suspicions by the governing bodies ie: when they found his DNA proven blood in bags named after his 'bloody' dog.

What a travesty for cycling, we are still in the dark ages. Just look at the teams he was groomed on and transcended through.

Remember when he withdrew from the TdF ( what was it 2005 ) after just winning a mountain stage to Courchevel? A knee injury, right! More like the ASO was on to him and asked him to scream about patellofemoral syndrome. He's been dirty for years. Stay away you shizler.

NW

 

[woodburn]

I am glad that Piti is gone, but for 18months, when there is OP DNA evidence dating back to 2006. His suspension should be since the 'inception' of doping suspicions by the governing bodies ie: when they found his DNA proven blood in bags named after his 'bloody' dog.

What a travesty for cycling, we are still in the dark ages. Just look at the teams he was groomed on and transcended through.

Remember when he withdrew from the TdF ( what was it 2005 ) after just winning a mountain stage to Courchevel? A knee injury, right! More like the ASO was on to him and asked him to scream about patellofemoral syndrome. He's been dirty for years. Stay away you shizler.

NW

That was 2005.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2aeti_lance-armstrong-tour-de-france-2005_sport

 

[MarkGreen0]

Shall we have a whip round for his defence fund?

 

[Kender]

Save Cycling Use More Bloodbags And Good Drugs Or Preferably Erythropoietin Really

so donate to the SCUMBAGDOPER fund today

 

[rikdewy]

ha

I hear Valverde is gonna endorse Hair Pulgz R Us in the next 2 years

hahahahar

Too much Testosterone in his diet??!!

I'm a big Valverde fan, but he still had to go.

 

[MarkGreen0]

Hopefully one day all GT contenders will be banned and we can get back to real cycling.

 

[theswordsman]

I just woke up and read the news. I'm fine with a future ban. But I disagree with him losing his 2010 results because the system moved too slowly. The UCI couldn't stop him from racing January 1, and now they're assuming that power retroactively.

I really enjoyed the 2008 Giro d'Italia. I never liked Ricco because of his personality, but he helped keep the race interesting, and Sella's stage wins were fun to see. A couple of months later, both were busted for CERA. I have no doubt in my mind that they were using it at the Giro. I'm STILL waiting fr results of the retest. But those guys still have their results, and the sport has no real interest in pursuing the matter and taking those away.

Now we hasn't failed a test, which means nothing, but if he's doing anything wrong, it's not been caught by the system meant to decide such things. Ban him today, ban him for as long as you want, but the guy did make the effort to race hard through the bad weather at Paris-Nice, there's no evidence that he didn't do it fairly, so why take that away.

I'm not a defender of the guy. When news came out during the Vuelta, I fully expected that race not to count, and for him to be gone. It seemed kind of funny, because I heard the news on TV, and he was racing at the time without knowledge that it would apparently be all for nought.

I'd support having his results stripped for the period when evidence shows he might have been cheating. But like I said, this decision smacks of the UCI assuming powers for January they didn't have for January.

Still waiting for those 2008 Giro retests.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Good post Swordsman.

 

[delbified]

what a Piti

 

[delbified]

I'd support having his results stripped for the period when evidence shows he might have been cheating.

you have to be pretty gullible to believe he was only doping for the period in which the evidence was collected. there is no reason whatsoever to extend benefit of the doubt to dopers - it's a scourge and i wouldn't cry if all of their pro results were wiped and they were given life bans. there is just no excuse or need for leniency.

 

[Barracuda]

He's got

LBL, two Tour stages, VaE, San Sebastian, Dauphine, Romandie, klasika primavera and several other results while he should've been out.

I don't know about you, but I think most pros would be more than happy with a palmares with nothing but those races...

Exactly ... riders who are later banned after the fact have often - more than not - put riders such as Cadel under pressure on crucial stages of races such as TDF where they would normally not have to chase/defend etc..... which obviously changes the composition of the latter stages.

 

[manolo]

Let them dope!

In weird way I like the precedent set by the Valverde situation. Let them all race throughout the year, dope all they want and THEN analyze all their lab work at the end of the year. If you fail the tests, then you disqualify them! Heh heh! Can you imagine what the 2006 Tour would have been like with Ullrich, Basso and Vinokourov in it? Landis wouldn't have had the problems he had! It would have been a hell of a Tour! Let them race, I say! THEN test them and suspend them! Who cares if the whole podium has to go? I'm here for the spectacle of it all! : )

I'm being irrational, I know! : ) And yeah, it would be unfair to those racing clean. But it would be a hell of a race to watch! : )

 

[biker jk]

Portugal, too, is especially bad. The USA, from the sounds of things, ain't much better.

One thing though. There are a lot more Spaniards and Italians in the pro péloton than there are Britons. Even the French have their fair share of positive tests - Larpe for EPO and Aurélien Duval for diet suppressants in the last few months spring to mind.

If you were to tot up the number of Spaniards or Italians who raced last year's Tour de France and said how many had confirmed doping violations against their names, there's a good chance they wouldn't match the 25% managed by Great Britain because of David Millar.

I don't want to post that VERY long list again of Spanish dopers, so can you stop being the A grade apologist for Spain's gold medal winning performance at doping?

 

[Barrus]

sky are part funded by the italian arm of sky which is why they need a big name italian. scandri is something of a talent spotter in italy and was asked about clean young italians for the team and failed to provide many names. nibali was almost nailed on to sign but this fell apart for some reason. they really need to start jailing riders for sporting fraud.

as for wiggins being a doper HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. the british system which he is from is based on not doping and has many campaigns to get this point across. he and cadel are 2 of the few riders in GC contention really riding clean.

How do you know it fell through, due to this? Do you have a link or a source? Because everything I read and heard it was more concerned with the fact that he still had a contract and didn't want to break his contract.

The second part. Lets assume you are right about this, I have my reservations, but lets humour you. That might be so in the earlier years of ones career, in the youths and really the first years in his pro-career. As you state in a later post the best rise to the top in the youths, but this is a system that is in place in all states and that is the way pro-cyclist become pro-cyclists. But this does not ensure that they remain clean for the remainder of their career. When I see a sudden transformation from someone who comes from the track and who never had any reasonable result in a stage race which involved serious climbing, or anything involving climbing, to suddenly be among the best in the GC, I become very, VERY suspicious

but there is a well known culture of cheating in italy especially, it is often said that the riders' doctors are usually ahead of the investigations in their ability. and the thing with puerto seems to lump the spanish in there too.

The problem with many of these things is that many riders from *GASP* other countries do so as well, many are even in the same programs, like OP and doctor Ferrari

 

[BroDeal]

The second part. Lets assume you are right about this, I have my reservations, but lets humour you. That might be so in the earlier years of ones career, in the youths and really the first years in his pro-career. As you state in a later post the best rise to the top in the youths, but this is a system that is in place in all states and that is the way pro-cyclist become pro-cyclists. But this does not ensure that they remain clean for the remainder of their career. When I see a sudden transformation from someone who comes from the track and who never had any reasonable result in a stage race which involved serious climbing, or anything involving climbing, to suddenly be among the best in the GC, I become very, VERY suspicious.

Don't worry, bro. I am sure that Dr. Lim was only giving Wigans rice cakes while he was doing the two step blood transfusion hokey pokey with others. Brits would never cheat *cough* McLaren. It's just not cricket--*cough* Millar. It is not like someone with no honor who would weasel his way out of a contract might also decide to advance his career by other weasly means.

 

[Aguirre]

McQuaid says: "Let's move forward. As president of the UCI, I prefer to look forward to the cycling of today and the cycling of tomorrow, rather than the cycling of yesterday and years gone by. And that includes Floyd Landis and what have you."

Now seems OP is over, the past doesn't count, don't look at Landis case that could affect us (UCI)