Valverde's Perfromance on La Pandera

[Mellow Velo]

I don't think Valverde's performance today was a good indication of whether he is still doping or not, but he almost certainly was in 2006. There is no way he should have even been allowed to start this race and I can't believe the UCI is going to let him take a victory in a grand tour for continuing to drag their feet in finally suspending him.

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No question for me. On a daily stage basis, Valverde has ridden the smartest race of the contenders and yesterday was no exception.

However, we are now faced with a rider, winning a Grand Tour, who is banned from riding in one of cycling's biggest nations and can't even lodge with his World championship national squad, for the same reason.

The UCI, on the other hand, will get the result they most desire, as it takes the decision making process out of their hands.
They will have to give him the all clear to ride, else another major Tour ends in farce.
This may well be the reason that they have dragged their heels, in the first place.
The UCI duplicitous and corrupt? Why ever would you think that.

 

[cromagnon]

A ride with all the hallmarks of doping involves riding everyone off your wheel and putting several mnutes into them. The original poster is probably an utterly clueless footie fan.

 

[Kerbdog]

I don't think Valverde's performance today was a good indication of whether he is still doping or not, but he almost certainly was in 2006. There is no way he should have even been allowed to start this race and I can't believe the UCI is going to let him take a victory in a grand tour for continuing to drag their feet in finally suspending him.

I think the UCI want to suspend him alright & they would have liked it sooner rather than later. This issue is still outstanding with the CAS at present IIRC so the UCI cant do anything until they rule on it.

 

[rmason]

I'll be honest in that I hate bringing up the subject but Valverde's performance on La Pandera bore all the hallmarks and a few more besides of a doping performance. To be so badly dropped by a number of people only to then catch and pass them with authority suggests he is not clean.

I have a different question on the same topic. Providing his ban is ratified by CAS going forward, and putting to one side the question of whether it's fair that only he gets DNA matched (when clearly he wasn't the only one), what happens to this Vuelta result?

Is it possible that Gesink will inherit the Vuelta win in a few weeks after all the appeals and court cases run their course?

R

 

[TRDean]

I agree with Dekker Tifosi...Gesink did not red line...however, I want to give the young man credit...I too am sure he knew the climb...but to win he had to make a go of it and he did. It didn't work because Valv. rode a very strong stage. Very exciting.

Cunego looks to be peaking just in time for the worlds!!

 

[Big_Blue_Dave]

I have a different question on the same topic. Providing his ban is ratified by CAS going forward, and putting to one side the question of whether it's fair that only he gets DNA matched (when clearly he wasn't the only one), what happens to this Vuelta result?

Is it possible that Gesink will inherit the Vuelta win in a few weeks after all the appeals and court cases run their course?

R

Its a good question and would depend on the start date of any potential ban that may be given if CAS decide in favour of CONI. Personally, I think it would begin from sometime in the past year when the sample was taken, this is due to looking at a number of previous cases and when retrospective action has been placed on an individual. My only other question would then be if action is taken worldwide, would Caisse d'Epargne then be blacklisted from the Tour like other teams with doping cases? Or would the fact that Caisse is one of the many sponsors of the ASO run race, as seen in the caravan allow them free reign like Cofidis.

 

[elapid]

Its a good question and would depend on the start date of any potential ban that may be given if CAS decide in favour of CONI. Personally, I think it would begin from sometime in the past year when the sample was taken, this is due to looking at a number of previous cases and when retrospective action has been placed on an individual. My only other question would then be if action is taken worldwide, would Caisse d'Epargne then be blacklisted from the Tour like other teams with doping cases? Or would the fact that Caisse is one of the many sponsors of the ASO run race, as seen in the caravan allow them free reign like Cofidis.

I am not sure a ban would be retrospective. Rebellin tested positive in last year's Olympics but still got to keep his win in this year's La Flèche Wallonne.

 

[Oldman]

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I'll be honest in that I hate bringing up the subject but Valverde's performance on La Pandera bore all the hallmarks and a few more besides of a doping performance. To be so badly dropped by a number of people only to then catch and pass them with authority suggests he is not clean.

Nope. Power riders climb like this all the time. It's only important to be in contact at the TOP of the climb or the end of the stage. As for the UCI; I'm still trying to fathom whether Valverde has pictures of MacQuaid with an animal or human.

 

[Ripper]

Nope. Power riders climb like this all the time. It's only important to be in contact at the TOP of the climb or the end of the stage. As for the UCI; I'm still trying to fathom whether Valverde has pictures of MacQuaid with an animal or human.

LMFAO! (apparently, I need to type more characters ... therein why I add this stuff)

 

[flicker]

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Valverde is an awesome rider with an incredibly strong team.
However if he done done de dope he needs to go sit down for 2 years and think about it.
I think also if he has been busted doping to take his children on the podium is grotesque and show absolutly no class.
He reminds me of Basso; no concscience.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Nope. Power riders climb like this all the time. It's only important to be in contact at the TOP of the climb or the end of the stage. As for the UCI; I'm still trying to fathom whether Valverde has pictures of MacQuaid with an animal or human.

Or maybe he's just gone the Lance route and donated money to the UCI to buy a piece of anti-doping equipment that doesn't exist yet.

 

[Big_Blue_Dave]

I am not sure a ban would be retrospective. Rebellin tested positive in last year's Olympics but still got to keep his win in this year's La Flèche Wallonne.

I did say a number, though I do not remember if Rebellin was sentenced by CAS, WADA or the UCI? Its one case I never bothered looking at, as I was more intrigued by the Stefan Schumacher and Bernard Kohl cases. Not to forget the cyclo-cross and track seasons.

 

[skippy254]

He rides like I do (not equating my lack of ability with his obvious ability) in that the high hard consistent pace will make him crack but shorter intense efforts are more his forte. This is why I think I am a better endurance MTB rider than long distance roadie. All the ups and downs of off road riding suit me but when I ride for constant speeds on the road with strong riders I start to fade.

These same strong cyclists that kill me on the road I can beat on the mountain.

 

[Aguirre]

Valverde is an awesome rider with an incredibly strong team.
However if he done done de dope he needs to go sit down for 2 years and think about it.
I think also if he has been busted doping to take his children on the podium is grotesque and show absolutly no class.
He reminds me of Basso; no concscience.

 

[Jonathan]

Nope. Power riders climb like this all the time. It's only important to be in contact at the TOP of the climb or the end of the stage. As for the UCI; I'm still trying to fathom whether Valverde has pictures of MacQuaid with an animal or human.

Cunego is also an example. His physique and bad TTs make him look like a pure climber (perhaps in the mold of Heras), but when I think about his clims, he is more a power climber. Think, for example, about that infamous stage that Landis won and that included the Joux-plane. Cunego was actually very strong there, climbing up the mountain at a very steady pace. In the 2004 giro, he did something similar to Valverde: letting Simoni go earlier on a final climb only to overtake him later in the final 2 kms and win the stage. When Basso won the giro, Cunego became good in the third week at limiting the damage by not clinging to any group but picking his own pace and maintaining that up the climb.

I always considered Cunego and Valverde to have very similar styles, regardless of doping accusations.

 

[RHitaliano]

valv calcs

Me - I have been calculating the power numbers for Valvpits on this climb. It was difficult due to the video coverage fading in and out but I narrowed it down to around 3999 which is remarkable for him. Based on these power numbers and the other numbers from the other riders I have determined two things.

1. Valvepits is, was and always will be clean like the inside of Russian Banya in Brighton beach!

2. Remainder of vuelta contenders full of peds.

 

[logical cranium]

Me - I have been calculating the power numbers for Valvpits on this climb. It was difficult due to the video coverage fading in and out but I narrowed it down to around 3999 which is remarkable for him. Based on these power numbers and the other numbers from the other riders I have determined two things.

1. Valvepits is, was and always will be clean like the inside of Russian Banya in Brighton beach!

2. Remainder of vuelta contenders full of peds.

now I have cought you red handed imposter. You're calcs are all wrong!

It is not posible for human to climb at the grate rate you post. only great charlie brown pupkin can climb that fast from my other post. 3999! Ha!

I calculate 3995 VAM units so you are wrong! go back to ded side of internets and learn TV VAM calc methods.

And you cant fool me your itallian. CONI is after valverde so who you fool with him being clean?

 

[Ripper]

now i have cought you red handed imposter. You're calcs are all wrong!

It is not posible for human to climb at the grate rate you post. Only great charlie brown pupkin can climb that fast from my other post. 3999! Ha!

I calculate 3995 vam units so you are wrong! Go back to ded side of internets and learn tv vam calc methods.

And you cant fool me your itallian. Coni is after valverde so who you fool with him being clean?

wthayta???

 

[RHitaliano]

now I have cought you red handed imposter. You're calcs are all wrong!

It is not posible for human to climb at the grate rate you post. only great charlie brown pupkin can climb that fast from my other post. 3999! Ha!

I calculate 3995 VAM units so you are wrong! go back to ded side of internets and learn TV VAM calc methods.

And you cant fool me your itallian. CONI is after valverde so who you fool with him being clean?

Where you come up with 4 units difference? My calculations were done in great New York City labratory where were yours made ???? let me guess same place as you had that poor lab rat jacked up on jack daniels on the to scale replica of the jouxplane?

 

[RHitaliano]

wthayta???

dont worry with the rational head his calculations are all wrong. His DVD player is from 2001 and he has dial up 28.8k modem for internets.

 

[Anonymous]

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I'll be honest in that I hate bringing up the subject but Valverde's performance on La Pandera bore all the hallmarks and a few more besides of a doping performance. To be so badly dropped by a number of people only to then catch and pass them with authority suggests he is not clean.

frankly i am dissapointed that valverde is even riding.. but..

he as now been fined for receiving "assistance" on sunday.. from supporters... wonder what would have happened if hed not been spanish.. :/

 

[logical cranium]

Where you come up with 4 units difference? My calculations were done in great New York City labratory where were yours made ???? let me guess same place as you had that poor lab rat jacked up on jack daniels on the to scale replica of the jouxplane?

You're lab in NYC blows. 4 VAM units are difference between great signtist and impostr. My credencials are:

1) Predict future GT place from TV VAM calcs
2) study altitude tent effect on top of building with wiskey mist vent
3) inject subject with cowblood and study HT increase
4) reel life re0inactment of alcohol vs various GT climb with farm animal
5) future study of activo-somthing on anchorexic starlet date

You're clame to fame is mod out disent on dead form. Scoreboard!

 

[RHitaliano]

You're lab in NYC blows. 4 VAM units are difference between great signtist and impostr. My credencials are:

1) Predict future GT place from TV VAM calcs
2) study altitude tent effect on top of building with wiskey mist vent
3) inject subject with cowblood and study HT increase
4) reel life re0inactment of alcohol vs various GT climb with farm animal
5) future study of activo-somthing on anchorexic starlet date

You're clame to fame is mod out disent on dead form. Scoreboard!

I know your the real rational head!

my lab is greatest lab which show Menchov was clean! 4 VAM numbers will be your downfall!

your credentials are no more than a smoke epo screen.

1 your tv is recording old delayed footage.
2 I have it on good authority that your altitude tent has holes which Wiggins can drive his skeleton through.
3 goats blood gives more boost which shows how behind the curve your lab is.
4 You should use team EasyOn for this case study.
5 if you know anything it is better to see matt without shirt.

 

[Ripper]

You're lab in NYC blows. 4 VAM units are difference between great signtist and impostr. My credencials are:

1) An inability to spell
2) An inability to make sense
3) Bizarro skillz
You're clame to fame is mod out disent on dead form. Scoreboard!

Just too odd man.

 

[logical cranium]

Just too odd man.

why do you revise my post?

i cume here to spred knowledge and learn enlish. you put down my study.