Verbruggen denies ???

[Wallace]

What did you expect Verdruggen to say? He knows that his legacy, and quite possibly his guilt or innocence in court, is inextricably tied to LA's guilt or innocence. If Lance goes down, he goes down. He'll deny as long as Lance denies, which is to the bitter end.

 

[powerste]

What did you expect Verdruggen to say? He knows that his legacy, and quite possibly his guilt or innocence in court, is inextricably tied to LA's guilt or innocence. If Lance goes down, he goes down. He'll deny as long as Lance denies, which is to the bitter end.

Agree with this, and it's yet another reason to break out the lawn chairs and savor the proceedings as they unfold!

 

[sniper]

More on this please. Could you supply the German link?

link to the german article:
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/do...-total-entspannt-er-lachte-darueber-1.1100896

Nach SZ-Informationen sprachen US-Beamte, die im Rahmen einer internationalen Untersuchung und im Auftrag des Dopingfahnders Novitzky gegen Armstrong wegen Betrugs ermitteln, bereits 2010 beim Lausanner Laborleiter Martial Saugy vor. Der Schweizer bestätigte dies am Montag allenfalls indirekt. "Kein Kommentar - das habe ich auch CBS gesagt", sagte Saugy der SZ: "Ich werde mit unseren Anwälten reden und die Reaktion der Wada abwarten." Dann ergänzte er aber einen Satz, der die Tragweite dieser Affäre für sein Labor und auch für das ohnehin umstrittene Kontrollsystem des Sports einordnete: "Das ist eine kritische Situation für uns."

According to SZ-information said U.S. officials identify as part of an international inquiry and on behalf of doping against Armstrong Novitzky investigator for fraud, in 2010 the Lausanne laboratory manager Martial Saugy before. The Swiss confirmed this on Monday at best indirect. "No comment - I was also told CBS, " said Saugy the SZ: "I'll talk to our lawyers and await the response of Wada." But then he added a phrase that ranks the importance of this affair for his laboratory and also for the already controversial control system of the sport: "This is a critical situation for us."

 

[cineteq]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/verbruggen-says-armstrong-never-never-never-doped

never, Never, NEVER

Never say never, LOL

 

[MacRoadie]

And, for about the eight thousandth time, they didn't start reporting results to WADA until 2004.

 

[Hugh Januss]

And, for about the eight thousandth time, they didn't start reporting results to WADA until 2004.

Don't cloud the issue with facts.

 

[hektoren]

Hein Verbruggen, the Comical Ali of Cycling.

 

[LukeSchmid]

You're right.

But Hein is toasted.
The Swiss lab employee Martial Saugy (from LAD) has given details under oath to the Feds about how it all went down.
In the Sueddeutsche Zeitung, he is quoted today as affirming that "it doesn't look good for our lab, it's a critical situation". Though he refused to comment, he hasn't denied any of the affirmations made by CBS.

Saugy is not just an employee but the head of the Swisse Labratory. Saugy became director of the labratory in 2003, and deputy director from 1990 when the lab was formed. He was one of the experts the UCI used in the case against Pellizotti ar CAS. Is he the same person who wrote the statement that was talked about in 60 minutes report? Or was it the previous head of the lab in 2001?

 

[D-Queued]

And, for about the eight thousandth time, they didn't start reporting results to WADA until 2004.

You beat me to it. But, just for flourish: NOT until after the Tour in 2004.

Yes, the very first line is a rather obvious lie. And, Hein is VERY aware of this 'subtlety' as the UCI was the last holdout prior to Athens.

And, why is the 2004 Tour of interest? Because this is the last Tour that was eligible for the SCA bonus.

Personally, I find that suspicious. Obviously Lance had a lot riding on the outcome of that Tour.

Since the UCI was by then a recipient of Lance's monetary support for its anti-doping program, presumably Hein and the UCI had a vested interest in seeing the SCA money flow and not having the evil WADA get involved in the testing.

Dave.

 

[hfer07]

please..... like Hein Verbruggen is going to testify against a "Business partner/associated"........

 

[Franklin]

You're right.

But Hein is toasted.
The Swiss lab employee Martial Saugy (from LAD) has given details under oath to the Feds about how it all went down.
In the Sueddeutsche Zeitung, he is quoted today as affirming that "it doesn't look good for our lab, it's a critical situation". Though he refused to comment, he hasn't denied any of the affirmations made by CBS.

Unfortunately, this is not a correct transcript. He didn't say "it doesn't look good for our lab", at least that's not in the article of the Suddeutsche Zeitung.

Also, "Das ist eine kritische Situation für uns.", only signifies that it is really important for them, which is logical, as their reputation is on the line. I'm hesitant to read it differently than that.


What is rather confusing is that earlier on they mention

"Ein Schweizer Laborchef habe vor Ermittlern bestätigt, dass man eine von der Tour de Suisse 2001 stammende Probe des Texaners in der Tat "verdächtig" und als "mit dem Gebrauch von Epo übereinstimmend" beurteilt habe; eine schriftliche Einschätzung aus der Schweiz erhielt der Sender von der amerikanischen Antidopingbehörde Usada."

But this laborchef isn't Martial Saugy or the writer of the article really did his best to obfuscate things. Considering first it's an unnamed labor Chef and then specifically they mention Saugy I'd say they are different persons (two different Laboratorium chiefs).

 

[sniper]

Saugy is not just an employee but the head of the Swisse Labratory. Saugy became director of the labratory in 2003, and deputy director from 1990 when the lab was formed. He was one of the experts the UCI used in the case against Pellizotti ar CAS. Is he the same person who wrote the statement that was talked about in 60 minutes report? Or was it the previous head of the lab in 2001?

Very relevant questions, that I have also asked myself. The article doesn't clarify this.

 

[sniper]

Unfortunately, this is not a correct transcript. He didn't say "it doesn't look good for our lab", at least that's not in the article of the Suddeutsche Zeitung.

Also, "Das ist eine kritische Situation für uns.", only signifies that it is really important for them, which is logical, as their reputation is on the line. I'm hesitant to read it differently than that.


What is rather confusing is that earlier on they mention



But this laborchef isn't Martial Saugy or the writer of the article really did his best to obfuscate things. Considering first it's an unnaamed labor Chef and then specifically they mention Saugy I'd say they are different persons.

You're right that the article is confusing, in terms of who is who and who said what? etc.

But it is significant, nonetheless. It explicitly states that there has been contact between the feds and the Swiss LAD lab already in 2010 as a part of the investigation into LA.
Also, why is it not significant that Saugy says "critical situation"? I speak/read German fluently (I'm Dutch, so we're brothers!) and do think that the article and the interview can be taken to suggest that the Swiss lab is in problems and hence Hein and UCI also are.

 

[md2020]

"Well, Landis has a trial on his hands. He must prove his words in court.”

Did I miss something or is he's implying that the UCI is still planning to sue Landis over his comments from last year? I thought papers had never been filed.

 

[flicker]

I like Verbruggens' credibility. Very good stick up for the greatest cyclist from the USA. Lance is a true champion.

 

[Franklin]

Also, why is it not significant that Saugy says "critical situation"? I speak/read German fluently (I'm Dutch, so we're brothers!) and do think that the article and the interview can be taken to suggest that the Swiss lab is in problems and hence Hein and UCI also are.

It can be read that way, but keep in mind that even if the story is false (which I doubt) it is a critical situation.

The statement itself simply is to vague to be useful, it needs more context.

 

[MacRoadie]

I like Verbruggens' credibility. Very good stick up for the greatest cyclist from the USA. Lance is a true champion.

Well, we'll find out when he testifies in the Landis "trial" he keeps talking about. I'm sure he's chomping at the bit to testify under oath...

 

[D-Queued]

Everyone realizes that this truly is much ado about nothing, don't they?

There is no way that Hein will ever face the music.

He will arrange an exoneration by Vrijman long before he has to appear in any courtroom anywhere.

Dave.

 

[DirtyWorks]

The 60 Minutes story puts Pat and Hein at the head of a federation enabling doping. No ambiguity the 60 minutes story. Now, will Pat or Hein fall on a sword to take the heat off? Not likely. I see some low-ranked worker 'excused' for facilitating the meeting should things get really desperate. I don't see how their action is a crime.

Google translated this important part to English:

a Swiss laboratory chief had investigators confirmed before, that one of the Tour de Suisse 2001 derived sample of the Texan, in fact, " judged suspicious "and" consistent with the use of Epo "I, a written assessment from Switzerland, the channel received by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency USADA.

Is the process:

Option 1: EPO positive@swiss lab-> UCI and USADA and USAC notified->rider


Option 2: EPO positive@swiss lab->UCI->USADA->USAC->rider


I know this is pedantic stuff, but can someone clarify this process? I want to have a clear picture of all the weak links.

 

[Epicycle]

Saugy is not just an employee but the head of the Swisse Labratory. Saugy became director of the labratory in 2003, and deputy director from 1990 when the lab was formed. He was one of the experts the UCI used in the case against Pellizotti ar CAS. Is he the same person who wrote the statement that was talked about in 60 minutes report? Or was it the previous head of the lab in 2001?

The previous head was Laurent Rivier, he was in charge in 2001. Rivier testified for Pellizotti in his biopassport case.

Saugy testified against Pellizotti, for the UCI.

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

Hein Verbruggen, the Comical Ali of Cycling.

... making a Hein-d end of himself.

 

[mewmewmew13]

These guys remind me of the cheesy “James Bond villains” who carry around plump white cats…. or have an eye-patch or something.

puh-leeze don't defame plump white cats like that!

 

[brianf7]

Verbruggen says Armstrong “never, never, never” Doped

He is our elected leader so we have to belive him . dont we he was head of UCI at that time so he must be a honerable man.

 

[benzwire]

Any word from D*ck Pound on any of this?

 

[the delgados]

Verbruggen says Armstrong “never, never, never” Doped

He is our elected leader so we have to belive him . dont we he was head of UCI at that time so he must be a honerable man.

I'm stunned by the way the UCI have handled this mess.

First they issue a statement claiming Landis is bats (imagine a governing body issuing such a knee-jerk reaction), then the former head says he's positive Armstrong never doped.

You'd think they'd try to maintain some semblence of credibility by saying they take the accusations seriously and are investigating the matter.

Unbelievable.