Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

[Ivan_Basso_77]

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Okay I've watch the final 14kms of the Alto de Hazallanas, Vuelta 2013 stage 10. Nibs was active throughout and in the final kms was on a Rampage trying to hunt down Horner. I have No idea where that picture was taken, but I didn't see him in the elbow on bars position that is for sure.

Hopefully he has a Good day tomorrow! Forza Vincenzo!

Perhaps this moment just isn't shown during the broadcast. Here is where I found the picture http://www.steephill.tv/2013/vuelta-a-espana/photos/stage-10/

I am sure he can at least halve the gap to Nairo today. Fingers crossed. Vai Vincenzo!

 

[Brullnux]

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Guys, miracles like last year won't happen this year for two reasons: quintana is a world class gt rider, a former giro champion, he is not SK... and the second reason is that movistar is 100000000000 times stronger than lotto jumbo

That is the problem. How does Nibali break movistar and then drop Quintana on the descent

Nibali isn't alone, which is great news for him. There'll be the likes of Kangert and Cataldo and Thomas and Yates and Zakarin who will be on the attack. Movistar are string, but it won't be easy controlling a race with so many decent riders still quite close on GC.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Okay I've watch the final 14kms of the Alto de Hazallanas, Vuelta 2013 stage 10. Nibs was active throughout and in the final kms was on a Rampage trying to hunt down Horner. I have No idea where that picture was taken, but I didn't see him in the elbow on bars position that is for sure.

Hopefully he has a Good day tomorrow! Forza Vincenzo!

Perhaps this moment just isn't shown during the broadcast. Here is where I found the picture http://www.steephill.tv/2013/vuelta-a-espana/photos/stage-10/

I am sure he can at least halve the gap to Nairo today. Fingers crossed. Vai Vincenzo!

Hazallanas was a spectacular climb, thanks for the reminder.

 

[Rollthedice]

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Guys, miracles like last year won't happen this year for two reasons: quintana is a world class gt rider, a former giro champion, he is not SK... and the second reason is that movistar is 100000000000 times stronger than lotto jumbo

That is the problem. How does Nibali break movistar and then drop Quintana on the descent

Nibali isn't alone, which is great news for him. There'll be the likes of Kangert and Cataldo and Thomas and Yates and Zakarin who will be on the attack. Movistar are string, but it won't be easy controlling a race with so many decent riders still quite close on GC.

Very much this. Hope Landa will still be in.

 

[Valv.Piti]

I don't think you will be seeing Kangert and Cataldo attacking, they can't go faster that what they do and should be stoked for a top-10. The two brits and Kruijswijk should be on the attack quite a bit from here on, thats indeed good for Nibs.

 

[Brullnux]

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I don't think you will be seeing Kangert and Cataldo attacking, they can't go faster that what they do and should be stoked for a top-10. The two brits and Kruijswijk should be on the attack quite a bit from here on, thats indeed good for Nibs.

Cataldo will definitely attack. I haven't seen a Giro in which he hasn't. Once we get to the third week, he'll try to get into every break and second tier attack he can, and being a former teammate of Nibali, it could be that bridging to him on a descent could prove quite helpful.

 

[Carols]

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Okay I've watch the final 14kms of the Alto de Hazallanas, Vuelta 2013 stage 10. Nibs was active throughout and in the final kms was on a Rampage trying to hunt down Horner. I have No idea where that picture was taken, but I didn't see him in the elbow on bars position that is for sure.

Hopefully he has a Good day tomorrow! Forza Vincenzo!

Perhaps this moment just isn't shown during the broadcast. Here is where I found the picture http://www.steephill.tv/2013/vuelta-a-espana/photos/stage-10/

I am sure he can at least halve the gap to Nairo today. Fingers crossed. Vai Vincenzo!

That is of course highly possible, the camera wasn't on him at all times! Horner was lose on the lead and Nibs dropped everyone else and was in hot pursuit. Since he is alone in the photo it was taken after he left the small group and the cameras were of course going back and forth between the two of them.

Thanks!

BTW Ivan was in the small group Vince left to pursue Horner. I like watching older races and seeing the retired stars .

 

[movingtarget]

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Guys, miracles like last year won't happen this year for two reasons: quintana is a world class gt rider, a former giro champion, he is not SK... and the second reason is that movistar is 100000000000 times stronger than lotto jumbo

That is the problem. How does Nibali break movistar and then drop Quintana on the descent

Nibali's demon descending days are in the past as the last Tour made clear. Descents are the least of his problems. He really needs a good TT and to find his climbing legs in the days to come.

 

[Carols]

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Guys, miracles like last year won't happen this year for two reasons: quintana is a world class gt rider, a former giro champion, he is not SK... and the second reason is that movistar is 100000000000 times stronger than lotto jumbo

That is the problem. How does Nibali break movistar and then drop Quintana on the descent

Nibali's demon descending days are in the past as the last Tour made clear. Descents are the least of his problems. He really needs a good TT and to find his climbing legs in the days to come.

He was a demon at the Olympics and paid the price for going for gold. But in normal racing he has backed off a notch, since the birth of his daughter.

Today he needs a really good ride and some strong climbing legs from here on out. But he can still win this thing there is plenty of Giro to come.

It was only last year this time that people gave him zero chance. It's not over until the final finish line . Today is Critical though!

 

[bambino]

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Guys, miracles like last year won't happen this year for two reasons: quintana is a world class gt rider, a former giro champion, he is not SK... and the second reason is that movistar is 100000000000 times stronger than lotto jumbo

That is the problem. How does Nibali break movistar and then drop Quintana on the descent

Nibali's demon descending days are in the past as the last Tour made clear. Descents are the least of his problems. He really needs a good TT and to find his climbing legs in the days to come.

Hmm... everyone seems to point he has taken notch out of his descending after the birth of his daughter.

Still Lombardia 2015 + Giro 2016 (stage 19) happened after that. And of course there is Rio where he wasn't exactly holding back.

In tdf 16 Nibs wasn't a contender for GC though no need to go full ***, but I still think he will go very fast down any hill when the stakes are high and he sees opportunity to win something big. Definitely expecting couple of full throtthle descends during next 2 weeks ala the ones pointed above. The other question of course is whether he will win anything with them, but he will certainly try and risk.

 

[Carols]

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Good Ride Vince!!! I think he did very well. Sure Major Tom is looking awesome, but Nibs is taking time on Nairo and I don't think Tom will last through week 3 .

EDIT: He took time on Quintana, Pinot and Mollema on a ITT. The omens are good IMO .

 

[SafeBet]

The most promising thing is how well he paced himself throughout the TT. He was 23rd at first split, 15th at second and 6th in the end.
Could be his best ITT since TdF 2014.

Tomorrow could be fun.

 

[Forever The Best]

He should go ballistic tomorrow but he does he have the team for that? Maybe sending Pellizotti and Siutsou to the breakaway and bridging them and few Italians from the breakaway possibly helping him as well?

 

[Gigs_98]

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Don't know if he should really go for a long range attack tomorrow. There is no need for panic attacks from over 50 k's out yet, I think this is more likely to result in a time loss. However I think it would make sense to let his team set a very high pace on the last climb and then attack on the descent. The following two days are very easy so no problem if he spends a lot of energy on the last kilometers.

 

[movingtarget]

I think he would be happy with that especially the back end of the TT.

 

[Forever The Best]

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Don't know if he should really go for a long range attack tomorrow. There is no need for panic attacks from over 50 k's out yet, I think this is more likely to result in a time loss. However I think it would make sense to let his team set a very high pace on the last climb and then attack on the descent. The following two days are very easy so no problem if he spends a lot of energy on the last kilometers.

He has to crack Dumoulin hard in a stage without losing big time to Quintana. I don't know where is a stage like that in the final week. Maybe Ortisei but I think Dumoulin can handle that stage. So he should gain some time already.

 

[lenric]

So... are we witnessing the last good GT from Vincenzo Nibali? The last one where he has a realistic chance of winning?

 

[SeriousSam]

Perfect scenario for Nibali would be something like where he goes along with Quintana and Movistar when they kill off Doumolin, but remains close enough to Quintana to win the Giro in the last time trial

 

[Singer01]

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So... are we witnessing the last good GT from Vincenzo Nibali? The last one where he has a realistic chance of winning?

Has he indicated whether he plans on doing the Tour this year? If not, with this form, and everyone else having a Tour in their legs, I'd say he would be one of the top favourites if he had a good rest and committed to the Vuelta.

 

[DFA123]

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So... are we witnessing the last good GT from Vincenzo Nibali? The last one where he has a realistic chance of winning?

Has he indicated whether he plans on doing the Tour this year? If not, with this form, and everyone else having a Tour in their legs, I'd say he would be one of the top favourites if he had a good rest and committed to the Vuelta.

Not sure he'll ever want to see Angliru again, having been Hornered there last time.

 

[Red Rick]

I'm actually pretty sure the plan is to go Giro-Vuelta for Nibali. He got his petty revenge on Horner a long time ago.

 

[Gigs_98]

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I really hope Nibali goes to the Vuelta. It made sense to go to the tour last year since he wanted to win the Olympic RR, but a tdf stage win wouldn't really add that much to his palmares, so he doesn't really have a reason to go there this year. Actually I think a Vuelta stage win would add more to his palmares since he (unofficially) still hasn't won a single stage there.

 

[DFA123]

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I'm actually pretty sure the plan is to go Giro-Vuelta for Nibali. He got his petty revenge on Horner a long time ago.

Yeah, in all seriousness, he should do really. Difficult to see what the Tour offers for him, unless his new sponsors really want him there. He could win a stage or two I guess, but I doubt that's going to motivate him much for three more weeks of hard racing.

Vuelta could throw him into a nice peak as well for the late season Italian classics.

 

[movingtarget]

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Perfect scenario for Nibali would be something like where he goes along with Quintana and Movistar when they kill off Doumolin, but remains close enough to Quintana to win the Giro in the last time trial

That would be a possible scenario but there is a little time gap to worry about and another TT. It's all about Dumoulin's climbing legs now and whether he can team up with other riders to control Movistar, enough to make a difference anyway. To me Movistar are not as good as the Astana team from a few years ago. Of course it's also possible for Dumoulin to work with Nibali depending on how good Quintana is climbing. The last thing Dumoulin wants is to be isolated or have a mechanical at the wrong time.

 

[May0maniac]

Giro Vuelta was the official plan at the start of the season, apparently Ion will get a chance to ride for himself at the Tour (there's no pressure to finish high on gc, the team just wants to see what he can do).
He's in a good postition right now.