Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

[Red Rick]

with Nibali's incredibly slow build ups in the last few years I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being better in the Vuelta than in the Giro.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

He looked good today until the final km. Then it was the head down tell and he kept losing positions. But he should move forward off the effort

Well he's clearly not for the explosive stuff anymore.

Nibali is turning more and more into Basso. Some sort of extreme diesel. But with a better ITT and a better downhill.

 

[Red Rick]

that"s no conclusion to take from a race hes using as training

nibali was never really explosive> never got close in fleche< and did one good murito in the vuelta he won

 

[hazaran]

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that"s no conclusion to take from a race hes using as training

nibali was never really explosive> never got close in fleche< and did one good murito in the vuelta he won

This "using as a training [race]" excuse is really starting to grind my gears. We saw that nonsense in the Contador thread when he very clearly obviously was dropped and cracked riding a huge gear very slowly, and who knew, the training didn't work, he was the same in the Tour.

And here you are suggesting somebody finishing 15s off the front on a 16% very hard, very short effort is somehow just "training". The ridiculousness of it. That guy is not "measuring his effort", he's falling behind while going all out.

 

[Jspear]

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that"s no conclusion to take from a race hes using as training

nibali was never really explosive> never got close in fleche< and did one good murito in the vuelta he won

This "using as a training [race]" excuse is really starting to grind my gears. We saw that nonsense in the Contador thread when he very clearly obviously was dropped and cracked riding a huge gear very slowly, and who knew, the training didn't work, he was the same in the Tour.

And here you are suggesting somebody finishing 15s off the front on a 16% very hard, very short effort is somehow just "training". The ridiculousness of it. That guy is not "measuring his effort", he's falling behind while going all out.

He's trying. And today's effort will further him along in regards to his form. That's what most mean when they say training I think. He's not where he needs to be, but by participating in this race, he'll get closer.

 

[Rollthedice]

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that"s no conclusion to take from a race hes using as training

nibali was never really explosive> never got close in fleche< and did one good murito in the vuelta he won

This "using as a training [race]" excuse is really starting to grind my gears. We saw that nonsense in the Contador thread when he very clearly obviously was dropped and cracked riding a huge gear very slowly, and who knew, the training didn't work, he was the same in the Tour.

And here you are suggesting somebody finishing 15s off the front on a 16% very hard, very short effort is somehow just "training". The ridiculousness of it. That guy is not "measuring his effort", he's falling behind while going all out.

Clearly you have no clue how Nibali is preparing for a Grand Tour and haven't paid attention to his results prior to a major objective. In two and a half months he raced competively once, six weeks ago in Italian championships RR. Today was his first test after a long training block. For all the other problems you might have with how he performs in prep races for his major goals, Paolo Slongo might enlighten you though I'm sure he's busy delivering a fully fit Nibali on the 19th of August in Nimes.

 

[Tonton]

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The weird thing about the Giro this year was that even the who were supposed to peak in the 3rd week failed seemed to fade toward the end. By that I mean Quintana and Nibali. Only Zaka and Pozzo seemed to not fade toward the end.

You forgot Pinot .

I agree with the rest tho'.

 

[movingtarget]

It's a shame that Valverde and Porte couldn't make it to the start line, that would have made it a very interesting race but I still think Nibali even not being at his best in the Giro still has a shot at this race. Froome can only hold form, he won't improve and his Tour form plus some fatigue will make him vulnerable. I think some of the Giro riders will fancy their chances. Looking at Aru's final week in the Tour I'd be surprised if he backs up and reaches the podium, Contador less so but hard to see him winning it.

 

[Red Rick]

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that"s no conclusion to take from a race hes using as training

nibali was never really explosive> never got close in fleche< and did one good murito in the vuelta he won

This "using as a training [race]" excuse is really starting to grind my gears. We saw that nonsense in the Contador thread when he very clearly obviously was dropped and cracked riding a huge gear very slowly, and who knew, the training didn't work, he was the same in the Tour.

And here you are suggesting somebody finishing 15s off the front on a 16% very hard, very short effort is somehow just "training". The ridiculousness of it. That guy is not "measuring his effort", he's falling behind while going all out.

He didn't specifically prepeare to be good here. I'm not saying he didn't bother trying here.

 

[Climbing]

Not sure about the fuss? He looked quite ok for his preparation standards, plus wasn't exactly his preferred terrain.
I fancy his chances at the Vuelta, seems quite an hard route this year, not just muritos.
The field will be packed though, hard to predict the Vuelta as usual.

 

[SafeBet]

He looked spry on the hills the last murito, much better than I expected. I could see him attacking on stage 7.

 

[Climbing]

He looked good today until the final km. Then it was the head down tell and he kept losing positions. But he should move forward off the effort

Well he's clearly not for the explosive stuff anymore.

Nibali is turning more and more into Basso. Some sort of extreme diesel. But with a better ITT and a better downhill.

He never really was explosive (not even 2013/2014/2015).
Unless it’s at the end of very hard/long stages or rough classics, where he tires a lot less than most other riders I guess and strong accelerations can do the job.
He can still accelerate in those cases, I think that he’s just a bit older, but not much has changed (like Risoul and Sant’Anna 2016, or Bormio 2017).

 

[Brullnux]

"The calm before the storm"

Lo Squalo is ready

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

kinda similar to just before the giro. Good but not great yet.

 

[Brullnux]

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kinda similar to just before the giro. Good but not great yet.

He's better now - before the giro he was climbing with Roson, Hirt and Durasek. Now he's doing it with Majka, Yates, Pozzo and Zakarin.

 

[Red Rick]

And Croatia was way closer to the Giro as well.

 

[Climbing]

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And Croatia was way closer to the Giro as well.

Though, form looked good anyway in the Giro.
But indeed now he looks better.

 

[Red Rick]

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And Croatia was way closer to the Giro as well.

Though, form looked good anyway in the Giro.
But indeed now he looks better.

Nibali was good.
Nibali is better than good.

Do it Slongo #MakeLoSqualoGreatAgain

 

[Climbing]

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And Croatia was way closer to the Giro as well.

Though, form looked good anyway in the Giro.
But indeed now he looks better.

Nibali was good.
Nibali is better than good.

Do it Slongo #MakeLoSqualoGreatAgain

Oh yeah, he's a champion, whatever these boards may say :lol:

 

[liamito]

Today was more like croatia. :razz:

 

[Climbing]

Yeah, not quite there.

 

[Rollthedice]

It wasn't Croatia. This was more intense, short steep repeated climbs against top riders with a nonexistent team. So I think overall, taken into account all the race not just today's crack, he is on track for a competitive Vuelta.

 

[Climbing]

To be honest, considering latest years, I would have been puzzled if he was very good here.
Instead seems similar to the approach he had towards the Giro.

 

[silvergrenade]

What is the Slongo hype on here?
I dont see any of the other top riders' coach being mentioned ever...unless its the Clinic stuff.
Who is Paolo Slongo? What makes him special?

P.S: I've read Dr. Ferraris comment about him....Which actually makes it more baffling. :sad:

 

[Jagartrott]

Nibali's form seems where it should be - he ended ahead of Zakarin and Jungels, two riders with a similar season build-up. If he would've competed for the win here, I'd have said he was on form too early. I hope his form is good enough to be near Froome's in the Vuelta, and then see how his race instincts make the battle interesting.