Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

[Climbing]

Re: Re:

When you podium the Giro you’re not too old to win

Of course not. It's a narrative that comes up from time to time, it was also used before the Giro when his chances were dismissed. People forget too quickly that he finished second in a Grand Tour just 2 months ago while being stronger than all the other favorites. What he still needs this year is a big win and then off to Trek.

He should go back to Astana not Trek, last Trek GT Podium was Grandpapa

Astana wanted to take him back, but had not that kind of money...
At least that's what Martinelli said sometime ago.

Edit: In theory Trek has the climbing firepower to help Vincenzo, even extremely well, if those riders give up on their personal ambitions...

 

[Carols]

Re: Re:

When you podium the Giro you’re not too old to win

Of course not. It's a narrative that comes up from time to time, it was also used before the Giro when his chances were dismissed. People forget too quickly that he finished second in a Grand Tour just 2 months ago while being stronger than all the other favorites. What he still needs this year is a big win and then off to Trek.

He should go back to Astana not Trek, last Trek GT Podium was Grandpapa

Astana wanted to take him back, but had not that kind of money...
At least that's what Martinelli said sometime ago.

Edit: In theory Trek has the climbing firepower to help Vincenzo, even extremely well, if those riders give up on their personal ambitions...

Yeah like LPR

 

[Climbing]

Yeah, that won't happen.
But Mollema and Ciccone possibly?!
For sure Brambilla and Elissonde.
Obviously could get new names and some will be leaving.

 

[Rollthedice]

Re:

Yeah, that won't happen.
But Mollema and Ciccone possibly?!
For sure Brambilla and Elissonde.
Obviously could get new names and some will be leaving.

I wouldn't be so sure that Richie Porte will decline the opportunity to work for one of the legends of the sport, he seems like a reasonable guy. What I'm not so sure is if Richie will rise to the occasion.

Anyway it will depend a lot on what Vincenzo will choose to ride, next year there are 2 major targets, Olympics and Worlds.

 

[hfer07]

Nibs showing who's going to be the boss at Trek-Segafredo
so LRP better get those superdomestique skills back on track for him

 

[Gigs_98]

Is peaking for giro, olympics and worlds a reasonable target? Maybe first peak for the Ardennes, then tdf as a prep race for the olympics before a final peak for worlds and Lombardia? I think riding the tour as olympics prep would be a good idea but as he has claimed to not give up on gc ambitions I expect him to peak for at least one gt next season.

Anyway it will be really tricky to make a good plan for next year

 

[Red Rick]

Is peaking for giro, olympics and worlds a reasonable target? Maybe first peak for the Ardennes, then tdf as a prep race for the olympics before a final peak for worlds and Lombardia? I think riding the tour as olympics prep would be a good idea but as he has claimed to not give up on gc ambitions I expect him to peak for at least one gt next season.

Anyway it will be really tricky to make a good plan for next year

2 weeks Tour-Olympics-Vuelta-Worlds?

 

[Climbing]

Classics, Tour prep for OG, Vuelta GC + Worlds + Lombardia.
But I guess he wants to target either Giro or Tour, so not sure how to fit it in.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Trek is now ufficale:

Nibali alla Trek Segafredo: adesso è ufficiale

Lo Squalo ha firmato un contratto biennale e avrà come compagno il fratello Antonio. Per il 34enne siciliano sarà la quinta squadra da professionista

www.gazzetta.it

Translate: The Shark has signed a two-year contract and will have his brother Antonio as a companion.
For the 34-year-old Sicilian it will be the fifth professional team

 

[movingtarget]

Nibs showing who's going to be the boss at Trek-Segafredo
so LRP better get those superdomestique skills back on track for him

Porte won't do the Giro while Nibali probably will. Porte doesn't do the classics either so I guess they won't be riding together much. Maybe at Tirreno or Paris-Nice.

 

[Red Rick]

I'm starting to believe Vincenzo will continue for as long as Antonio needs a job

 

[Nirvana]

Porte won't do the Giro while Nibali probably will. Porte doesn't do the classics either so I guess they won't be riding together much. Maybe at Tirreno or Paris-Nice.

I really can't see him doing the Giro next year with Olympics and Worlds as main targets of the season, the most likely schedule is the one mentioned early in this page by climbing but with only two weeks of Tour because the ones that are going to Paris are out of the equation in Tokyo with only six days and an intercontinental flight in between.

 

[jmdirt]

I was shocked to read this!

As I said when the rumor started floating, this should/could be a good fit.

 

[perico]

LRP will work for Nibs as long as Vincenzo sacrifices himself for LRP on Willunga Hill in 2020.

 

[movingtarget]

I was shocked to read this!

As I said when the rumor started floating, this should/could be a good fit.

LRP will work for Nibs as long as Vincenzo sacrifices himself for LRP on Willunga Hill in 2020.

Funny.....Porte doesn't need help at Willunga and I never understood his obssession with the TDU. Evans only rode it a few times and saw it more as a promotional thing for the team or early season training. I always thought Porte would have been better with a later start to the season or a schedule change was worth at least trying. If they both do the Tour I guess Mollema will do the Giro again and he actually rode a good race in this year's edition . Porte's peak years look gone even though his Tour wasn't too bad all things considered. But top five seems to be more like top 10 now unless something surprising happens. The fact that he finished was probably a relief for him. They might try and talk Porte into doing the Giro but I'd be surprised if he rode. A good chance that Thomas and Bardet will do the Giro. Quintana should but won't.

 

[yaco]

I'd be surprised if anyone foregoes a good GC at the TDF for the Olympics - Six days before Japan means that everyone is in the same boat.

 

[Nirvana]

I'd be surprised if anyone foregoes a good GC at the TDF for the Olympics - Six days before Japan means that everyone is in the same boat.

In the same boat yes but we could take all of them out of contention for Tokyo, even van Avermaet that is not a GC rider and is used to ride San Sebastian (where usually the majority of the riders coming off the Tour after riding for GC struggle) six days after the end of the Tour before this year Tour said that because of the intercontinental flight next year he has to ask to his team to leave the Tour early to be able to go to Tokyo.

 

[yaco]

In the same boat yes but we could take all of them out of contention for Tokyo, even van Avermaet that is not a GC rider and is used to ride San Sebastian (where usually the majority of the riders coming off the Tour after riding for GC struggle) six days after the end of the Tour before this year Tour said that because of the intercontinental flight next year he has to ask to his team to leave the Tour early to be able to go to Tokyo.

National Federations will find a way to transfer their riders - And GVA realises that lightning doesn't strike twice.

 

[Nirvana]

National Federations will find a way to transfer their riders - And GVA realises that lightning doesn't strike twice.

There is no other way than taking an intercontinental flight and suffer all the related consequences if you don't have enough time to adapt to climate and jet lag.

 

[woodburn]

Vicenzo pacing Richie on Willinga would be quite the sight.

 

[dusty red roads]

The weather in Tokyo and surrounds will be tropical humidity which will be a big climatization change for riders coming from Europe - hopefully the temps will stay in early 30s and not 35-37 like it has been all of last week! Good that the road race is on early in the Olympics, as it will only get hotter as they go on. Heat without high humidity is easier to deal with.

 

[movingtarget]

The weather in Tokyo and surrounds will be tropical humidity which will be a big climatization change for riders coming from Europe - hopefully the temps will stay in early 30s and not 35-37 like it has been all of last week! Good that the road race is on early in the Olympics, as it will only get hotter as they go on. Heat without high humidity is easier to deal with.

It was like that in China in 2012 and with the added difficulty of poor air quality.

 

[dusty red roads]

Oh yes, the air will definitely be better than in China, so that's one thing going for it!

 

[Rollthedice]

Thursday Nibali is back to racing in Deutschland Tour and kicks off his preparation for Giro di Lombardia. It will be an Italian job plus Sieberg. Sonny the main man with brothers Nibali, Caruso and Garosio, Delfino as DS. No Worlds for Vincenzo says Cassani, Trentin will be the leader.

 

[tobydawq]

It was like that in China in 2012 and with the added difficulty of poor air quality.

China in 2012? Time passes more quickly than that