Vingegaard vs Pogačar - The Duel

[theyoungest]

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I don't know if that's really the conclusion UAE have drawn from yesterday's stage, but I think Visma will be happy if that's the case. They just don't seem to learn.

 

[Froome]

Yeah, almost 5000 m of elevation and almost 6 hours on the bike.

And after 14 stages including the stage of Pla d'adet. The fatigue will start to appear, and the gaps will probably happen.

 

[CyclistAbi]

I am glad Pogi is starting to notice Rogla, Jonas will soon too.

 

[Medvind]

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It's about building back confidence. Tell yourself that Jonas can't get better than this. That it was because Roglic's help Vinge could bring him back, etc. Create a positive narrative. Probably smart.

 

[Taxus4a]

Well, beating extraterrestrials and remaining human, that works for me so i can agree with that.

I dont think any human can beat now in a GT at Vibgegaard of Pogacar in they are peaking... I dont mean for instance Vuelta las year...Vibgegaard wanst peaking (but anyway he could have won)

And I dont think any human can beat stronger at the classic than Pogacar, Remco or Van der Poel if they are peaking....I say stronger becouse at San Remo and Roubaix luck factor is important.

Van Aert coudl be beated for humans in all those cases, but not normal, and he is so good in al terrains (if he is at good shape, no like now) that he belong to extraterrestrial...

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Taxus4a

Well, no. You said Pogi and Jonas are extraterrestrials and we both more or less agree on Rogla being a human, with a stroke of genius, i will give you that. Anyway, lets now see them battle it out and to go from there!

 

[Krzysztof_O]

@Taxus4a

Well, no. You said Pogi and Jonas are extraterrestrials and we both more or less agree on Rogla being a human, with a stroke of genius, i will give you that. Anyway, lets now see them battle it out and to go from there!

This is the battle of extraterrestrials (Pogi, Vingo) vs the best humans (Rogla, Remco). The planet's future is at stake - so much depends on the latter duo!

 

[scribers]

Roglic is still an experiment. Just is over the hill at this point

 

[Froome]

I am glad Pogi is starting to notice Rogla, Jonas will soon too.

Vingegaard did yesterday a long defensive range.
He is learning some things with Roglic.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Vingegaard did yesterday a long defensive range.
He is learning some things with Roglic.

Looks like there is some sort of intelligence involved. Lets see.

 

[Gigs_98]

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Yeah it's getting to the point where he should really start toning it down a bit.

 

[meat puppet]

There is no way Vinge is 99% of the form towards which his spring trajectory pointed in case he did not crash.

If he was, the implication is that the consistency of training stimulus is not that important after all. Most coaches, riders of all abilities plus scholars in their sober moments swear by its key role. I'm not bold enough to challenge that idea, but maybe someone is.

Anyway, I'm lost. Between Pog and JV, who was it that is supposedly afraid of whom?

 

[inri2000]

I dont think any human can beat now in a GT at Vibgegaard of Pogacar in they are peaking... I dont mean for instance Vuelta las year...Vibgegaard wanst peaking (but anyway he could have won)

And I dont think any human can beat stronger at the classic than Pogacar, Remco or Van der Poel if they are peaking....I say stronger becouse at San Remo and Roubaix luck factor is important.

Van Aert coudl be beated for humans in all those cases, but not normal, and he is so good in al terrains (if he is at good shape, no like now) that he belong to extraterrestrial...

Funny how there was no obviously clinic related talk of aliens/mutants when Pogacar was the clear favorite, and suddenly after yesterday the forum is full of it. I wonder why

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Looks like there is some sort of intelligence involved. Lets see.

The greatest intellectual of the peleton (Teddy) says that legs always decide. He usually solves his problems by simply adding more watts! Once in a while it gets a bit tricky though (and it has something to do with a certain Dane).

 

[Taxus4a]

Funny how there was no obviously clinic related talk of aliens/mutants when Pogacar was the clear favorite, and suddenly after yesterday the forum is full of it. I wonder why

Why clinic? I dont belive at any clinic, today. Not at least at the woprld Tour ans less with this riders. They are just very good. Extraterrestrial is a way to talk of this five super talanted riders.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Why clinic? I dont belive at any clinic, today. Not at least at the woprld Tour ans less with this riders. They are just very good. Extraterrestrial is a way to talk of this five super talanted riders.

Post of the year!

 

[proffate]

There is no way Vinge is 99% of the form towards which his spring trajectory pointed in case he did not crash.

If he was, the implication is that the consistency of training stimulus is not that important after all. Most coaches, riders of all abilities plus scholars in their sober moments swear by its key role. I'm not bold enough to challenge that idea, but maybe someone is.

Anyway, I'm lost. Between Pog and JV, who was it that is supposedly afraid of whom?

they should both be afraid of each other as the only credible threat to each other's dominance.

 

[Taxus4a]

Post of the year!

If you and a lot of people here have no idea is not my problem.

 

[snipeheem]

How we feelin before the Real battle? Who will be in yellow after the weekend?

 

[Netserk]

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[scribers]

How we feelin before the Real battle? Who will be in yellow after the weekend?

vingo will have to crack pogi from the front to take the lead

 

[Medvind]

How we feelin before the Real battle? Who will be in yellow after the weekend?

Pog, if he and his team rides with brains. Team LAB burned some matches today so I have bit of a hard time seeing them being able to put real pressure on Pog. Pog should avoid attacking from far out unless he detects Vinge is having a bad day, otherwise it might come back and bite him in the ass like on stage 11.

 

[scribers]

Can we definitively assign which types of climbs favor each rider. I keep hearing and reading diametrically opposite takes on this

 

[SHAD0W93]

Can we definitively assign which types of climbs favor each rider. I keep hearing and reading diametrically opposite takes on this

If Vingegaard gains time, climb suits him and not Pogacar. If Pogacar gains time the climb suits him but not Vingegaard.

We will see how Vingegaard does being the one that has to initiate the moves while having a weak team. If he’s still on the upwards trajectory and Pogacar’s talk of being better in the long climbs was just that, Vinge should start clawing back time slowly but surely. If it wasn’t talk Pogacar probably wins overall by around 2 minutes.

 

[Nick2413]

Can we definitively assign which types of climbs favor each rider. I keep hearing and reading diametrically opposite takes on this

Forever it was <20 min climbs for Pogacar but ever since Mary Blanque last year that’s been a bit unpredictable. 40 min + still Vingegaard.