Vingegaard vs Pogačar - The Duel

[scribers]

Conventional wisdom was
- third week, long steady climbs, heat =vingo.
- rest of the year, steeper short climbs, anything not super hot = pogi

So the Vingo show should begin tomorrow

 

[Froome]

Pog, if he and his team rides with brains. Team LAB burned some matches today so I have bit of a hard time seeing them being able to put real pressure on Pog. Pog should avoid attacking from far out unless he detects Vinge is having a bad day, otherwise it might come back and bite him in the ass like on stage 11.

I don't think Visma burned some matches for today.

Visma is already making the Pyrenees hard and make the race hard there, by doing what they did today, plus the fact stage 11 and yesterday's stage were quite hard.

It's like a long process.

 

[snipeheem]

I don't think Visma burned some matches for today.

Visma is already making the Pyrenees hard and make the race hard there, by doing what they did today, plus the fact stage 11 and yesterday's stage were quite hard.

It's like a long process.

What ? They were pushing like crazy today ofc they burned a lot

 

[Froome]

What ? They were pushing like crazy today ofc they burned a lot

Everybody burned a lot.

 

[snipeheem]

Everybody burned a lot.

Not as much as Visma

 

[scribers]

Be prepared for a fact free debate

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

If you consider riders for GT, you can talk about big four, but for me is my proper big 2.

If you talk about riders extraterrestrial of this generation, I see 5. No Pidckock, but he is really good and really complete. People as him or Pedersen or Roglic are really good, and make better this generation, but not extraterrestrials.

If you’re including Wout over Roglic, as much as I like Wout, I’d like to see you post their palmares and make a coherent argument as to how Wout deserves to be there over Roglic.

 

[RobertCrawley]

The secret to Jonas' strength.

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[Netserk]

Everybody burned a lot.

No one like Visma. All because Van Aert thinks him winning a stage is more important than the overall goal.

 

[Medvind]

No one like Visma. All because Van Aert thinks him winning a stage is more important than the overall goal.

Columnist in Het Nieuwsblad today:

RACING PROFESSOR. “Visma-Lease a Bike had a moral obligation to work for Wout van Aert”​

https://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20240712_96234690

I was stunned seeing Kelderman and Jorgenson working hard in the front yesterday.

 

[Netserk]

Columnist in Het Nieuwsblad today:

RACING PROFESSOR. “Visma-Lease a Bike had a moral obligation to work for Wout van Aert”​

https://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20240712_96234690

I was stunned seeing Kelderman and Jorgenson working hard in the front yesterday.

I don't think even Danish media is so deluded.

 

[Valv.Piti]

I immediately switched channels once the commentators on TV2 realized what Jumbo was up to. It was unbearable to listen as per usual, and was especially an example blatant nationalism in 2022. On the stage to Le Lioran, their immediate thoughts where "oh no, what about Jonas now with WVA's crash?" instead of actually being respectable and thinking of what it would have meant to WVA himself who has been incredibly unlucky recently and has his biggest goals 3 weeks from now. Bad showing as usual from TV2 when it comes to WVA.

Bastian Emil on ES had some very balanced takes on what was going on with Van Aert yesterday which I thoroughly enjoyed listening to. He spoke about Van Aert and him "being done with giving up chances" anymore and him being in a more dark mood. I can respect that. He should have won a lot more races, and always seem to be unlucky when he has a chance to win the biggest races (a bit like Roglic's TdF-curse). Wout is giving a lot to the team, and the team should at times also pay him back in manners like yesterday to make it all work.

 

[Medvind]

But was yesterday really the stage to do it, right before two hard mountain stages?

Laporte also work is ass off for the team. Does he get his chances in the tour? Actually thought they could have let Laporte attacked away yesterday instead of just covering attackers.

 

[Valv.Piti]

But was yesterday really the stage to do it, right before two hard mountain stages?

Laporte also work is ass off for the team. Does he get his chances in the tour? Actually thought they could have let Laporte attacked away yesterday instead of just covering attackers.

He does when WVA doesn't sprint (a few times in this race), he did last year, and he won a stage in 2022. So Laporte gets to do his thing as well at times, but obviously less so than Wout. Laporte shouldn't complain at all about his role, and he has been handed a few victories as well after Jumbo and specifically Wout has blown up entire races.

 

[Netserk]

I can respect that Van Aert wants to chase stages, but then attack and go in the break. It's stupid to have the mountain doms ride hard for a sprint against Philipsen the day before the Pyrenees.

 

[Medvind]

He does when WVA doesn't sprint (a few times in this race), he did last year, and he won a stage in 2022. So Laporte gets to do his thing as well at times, but obviously less so than Wout. Laporte shouldn't complain at all about his role, and he has been handed a few victories as well after Jumbo and specifically Wout has blown up entire races.

Yeah, he gets his chances in the tour when they present themselves and not by letting the hole team work him, which is completely right since winning the tour is the main goal.

I still don't think it was right to work so hard yesterday for van Aert, just before the pyrenees. What they did on stage 1 I'm more fine with.

But I guess we disagree.

 

[tobydawq]

But was yesterday really the stage to do it, right before two hard mountain stages?

Yes.

 

[Medvind]

Vinge's trainer, from feltet.dk

And with the level Jonas Vingegaard has shown so far, there is reason to be pleased. But there is room for improvement for the Dane. That is the opinion of Visma's coach, Tim Heemskerk.

"When you look at his numbers, his recovery, and how he has ridden, if everything continues according to plan, there is room for improvement from here. We saw him improve, and we knew he would continue like that," Heemskerk tells Velo.

But even though they expected the Danish Tour winner to quickly reach a high level, he still managed to do something they hadn't seen coming.

"What I didn't expect was that he could win a sprint after such a tough day and on Pogacar's terrain. It was a great victory, not only for the stage or this Tour but also with a view to the coming years," he believes.

The stage win has only made Heemskerk believe even more in another Danish Tour victory.

"The sprint showed that he can win the Tour. Being able to develop that power after a day with so much fatigue and elevation change is a crucial test for these riders. It's a sign of the endurance necessary to win a Grand Tour," the coach explains.

Visma-træner om Vingegaard: Der er stadig plads til forbedringer

Selvom de fleste er imponerede over, hvor hurtigt Jonas Vingegaard har genfundet sit tårnhøje niveau, er det stadig Vismas plan, at han skal blive endnu bedre.

www.feltet.dk

 

[SHAD0W93]

Vinge's trainer, from feltet.dk

Visma-træner om Vingegaard: Der er stadig plads til forbedringer

Selvom de fleste er imponerede over, hvor hurtigt Jonas Vingegaard har genfundet sit tårnhøje niveau, er det stadig Vismas plan, at han skal blive endnu bedre.

www.feltet.dk

Buttering us up so they can comeback and say “I always knew he could win” if it does happen.

 

[Netserk]

Buttering us up so they can comeback and say “I always knew he could win” if it does happen.

It was the message from the start. He will grow during the Tour.

 

[Froome]

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Unbeliavable how this guys think they know more about Vingegaard than is own coach. Even a slovenian psyotherapist thinks he knows the reality around Vingegaard. Maybe it can be scaring for them, but no, of course Vingegaard wasn't in peak shape, not even in stage 11.

 

[SHAD0W93]

It was the message from the start. He will grow during the Tour.

The message from the start was, we’re hoping for the best, he won’t be at or close to his best, but hopefully he grows during it and can reach a great level at the third week.

 

[DrSahl]

And both are very young and have years left in their careers.

Hopefully TDF wont be this duel for the next 4 years.. that would be rather boring
Best thing that could happen to this tour, was if one or two more candidates would step up and even dethrone them. I just rather have more candidates, than a duel.

 

[RedheadDane]

Imagine the two of them - and Evenepoel - taking turn attacking until the end.
That would be nice!

 

[ciranda]

I immediately switched channels once the commentators on TV2 realized what Jumbo was up to. It was unbearable to listen as per usual, and was especially an example blatant nationalism in 2022. On the stage to Le Lioran, their immediate thoughts where "oh no, what about Jonas now with WVA's crash?" instead of actually being respectable and thinking of what it would have meant to WVA himself who has been incredibly unlucky recently and has his biggest goals 3 weeks from now. Bad showing as usual from TV2 when it comes to WVA.

Bastian Emil on ES had some very balanced takes on what was going on with Van Aert yesterday which I thoroughly enjoyed listening to. He spoke about Van Aert and him "being done with giving up chances" anymore and him being in a more dark mood. I can respect that. He should have won a lot more races, and always seem to be unlucky when he has a chance to win the biggest races (a bit like Roglic's TdF-curse). Wout is giving a lot to the team, and the team should at times also pay him back in manners like yesterday to make it all work.

wow that's terrible man, I'm outraged, they disrespectin' Wout WVA 4 real you should start a petition